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Discussion starter · #21 ·
stuey99 said:
Yes, but what are they lol. You've been on the US boards haven't you??
Lol, maybe. I've been everywhere. Once you start researching something, it's not long before 20 tabs are up and you end up with more questions than before. I cancelled the order for these for now, so I can just spend the dosh on the Anavar. I've copied over a write up of both below:

Dermacrine:

Boost Testosterone

Increase Libido

Increase muscle and strength gains

Bulk Performance Solutions Dermacrine is identical to Primordial Performance's Dermacrine which was made previous. It is one of the bestselling natural testosterone boosters on the market today, and with it having a topical delivery system; it is set apart from the rest of the oral testosterone boosters on the market today. It contains 5 different compounds all involved in producing a safe boost in Testosterone while maintaining safe levels of DHT and Eastrogen.

What is Dermacrine good for?

BPS Dermacrine is great for increasing natural testosterone levels, and in turn, increasing size and strength gains. Testosterone is the male hormone for producing muscle mass meaning that the higher our testosterone levels the better environment our muscle is in to grow. Dermacrine will not only increase testosterone whilst combatting eastrogen, it will boost mood and health too.

Who should use Dermacrine?

BPS Dermacrine can be used by anyone looking to increase their free testosterone levels and increase muscle and strength gains. BPS can be included as part of PCT for those coming off a prohormone cycle.

What can you stack Dermacrine with?

BPS Dermacrine can be stacked with any other oral testosterone booster such as Driven Sports Activate Xtreme to further increase testosterone production. The two different products will work in different pathways meening it is safe to stack with other testosterone booster.

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Formasurge:

FormaSurge 120 Servings by Bulk Performance Solutions (BPS)

With the discontinuation of products from Primordial Performance and Competitive Edge Labs using Formestane, Bulk Performance Solutions (BPS) have introduced their own spin on formestane by combining its anti-estrogenic and testosterone boosting effects with a health dose of resveratrol which has been shown to have a range of positive health benefits as well as boosting mood, increasing wellbeing and contributing to an improved endocrine profile.

In short, the combination of ingredients in FormaSurge will lead to improved muscle and strength gains, reduced body fat, especially abdominal fat, improved libido and generally create a positive mental and physical outlook for the body. FormaSurge can be considered similar to the popular Sustain Alpha by Primordial Performance and like Sustain Alpha, can be used as a standalone testosterone booster, used during PCT, or as part of a prohormone cycle to prevent estrogenic side effects

What is FormaSurge good for?

Combines resveratrol and formestane

Increases testosterone and lowers estrogen

Anti-aging benefits

Improved mood and cognitive benefit

Enhances strength and muscle gains

More Information on FormaSurge

BPS' FormaSurge is the latest in transdermal supplements. With an advanced carrier that optimizes the ingredients involved, FormaSurge is the perfect product for people looking to control estrogen levels while boosting testosterone.

The main active compound in FormaSurge is the aromatase inhibitor, Formestane. Aromatase is the enzyme which manufactures estrogen and by inhibiting it, users can lower and control the amount of estrogen in the body. Furthermore, being Formestane is a "suicide inhibitor," estrogen levels will not rebound once application is discontinued. In addition to its affect on estrogen, Formestane has been shown to notably boost testosterone.

The other prominent ingredient in FormaSurge is the powerful anti-oxidant, Resveratrol. Found in the skin of grapes, Resveratrol can increase natural testosterone production, lower estrogen levels, increase levels of adiponectin (a hormone produced to increase the use of fat for energy), and reduce levels of cholesterol. Additionally, Resveratrol has been shown to protect against the aging of skin cells, resulting in greater, younger looking skin.

The downside of Formestane and Resveratrol is their poor oral bio-availability which requires large doses of each in order to be effective. Consistently ingesting a large quantity of ingredients can place unnecessary strain on one's liver. However, because FormaSurge is a topical product, users don't need to worry about this added strain. Also, when Formestane and Resveratrol are applied topically, the ingredients' bio-availability increases greatly thanks to steroidal enzymes in the skin.

FormaSurge users can expect to experience lean muscle gains, fat loss, and an increased libido. The benefits of FormaSurge are highly noticeable and can take any user's training to the next level. Whether one is using FormaSurge by itself, while on cycle, or as a part of post-cycle therapy, results will surely be impressive.

Each Serving of Formasurge contains 50mg of Formestane and 42mg of Resveratrol.
 
Sprngbok_Rider said:
Lol, maybe. I've been everywhere. Once you start researching something, it's not long before 20 tabs are up and you end up with more questions than before. I cancelled the order for these for now, so I can just spend the dosh on the Anavar. I've copied over a write up of both below:

Dermacrine:

Boost Testosterone

Increase Libido

Increase muscle and strength gains

Bulk Performance Solutions Dermacrine is identical to Primordial Performance's Dermacrine which was made previous. It is one of the bestselling natural testosterone boosters on the market today, and with it having a topical delivery system; it is set apart from the rest of the oral testosterone boosters on the market today. It contains 5 different compounds all involved in producing a safe boost in Testosterone while maintaining safe levels of DHT and Eastrogen.

What is Dermacrine good for?

BPS Dermacrine is great for increasing natural testosterone levels, and in turn, increasing size and strength gains. Testosterone is the male hormone for producing muscle mass meaning that the higher our testosterone levels the better environment our muscle is in to grow. Dermacrine will not only increase testosterone whilst combatting eastrogen, it will boost mood and health too.

Who should use Dermacrine?

BPS Dermacrine can be used by anyone looking to increase their free testosterone levels and increase muscle and strength gains. BPS can be included as part of PCT for those coming off a prohormone cycle.

What can you stack Dermacrine with?

BPS Dermacrine can be stacked with any other oral testosterone booster such as Driven Sports Activate Xtreme to further increase testosterone production. The two different products will work in different pathways meening it is safe to stack with other testosterone booster.

-----

Formasurge:

FormaSurge 120 Servings by Bulk Performance Solutions (BPS)

With the discontinuation of products from Primordial Performance and Competitive Edge Labs using Formestane, Bulk Performance Solutions (BPS) have introduced their own spin on formestane by combining its anti-estrogenic and testosterone boosting effects with a health dose of resveratrol which has been shown to have a range of positive health benefits as well as boosting mood, increasing wellbeing and contributing to an improved endocrine profile.

In short, the combination of ingredients in FormaSurge will lead to improved muscle and strength gains, reduced body fat, especially abdominal fat, improved libido and generally create a positive mental and physical outlook for the body. FormaSurge can be considered similar to the popular Sustain Alpha by Primordial Performance and like Sustain Alpha, can be used as a standalone testosterone booster, used during PCT, or as part of a prohormone cycle to prevent estrogenic side effects

What is FormaSurge good for?

Combines resveratrol and formestane

Increases testosterone and lowers estrogen

Anti-aging benefits

Improved mood and cognitive benefit

Enhances strength and muscle gains

More Information on FormaSurge

BPS' FormaSurge is the latest in transdermal supplements. With an advanced carrier that optimizes the ingredients involved, FormaSurge is the perfect product for people looking to control estrogen levels while boosting testosterone.

The main active compound in FormaSurge is the aromatase inhibitor, Formestane. Aromatase is the enzyme which manufactures estrogen and by inhibiting it, users can lower and control the amount of estrogen in the body. Furthermore, being Formestane is a "suicide inhibitor," estrogen levels will not rebound once application is discontinued. In addition to its affect on estrogen, Formestane has been shown to notably boost testosterone.

The other prominent ingredient in FormaSurge is the powerful anti-oxidant, Resveratrol. Found in the skin of grapes, Resveratrol can increase natural testosterone production, lower estrogen levels, increase levels of adiponectin (a hormone produced to increase the use of fat for energy), and reduce levels of cholesterol. Additionally, Resveratrol has been shown to protect against the aging of skin cells, resulting in greater, younger looking skin.

The downside of Formestane and Resveratrol is their poor oral bio-availability which requires large doses of each in order to be effective. Consistently ingesting a large quantity of ingredients can place unnecessary strain on one's liver. However, because FormaSurge is a topical product, users don't need to worry about this added strain. Also, when Formestane and Resveratrol are applied topically, the ingredients' bio-availability increases greatly thanks to steroidal enzymes in the skin.

FormaSurge users can expect to experience lean muscle gains, fat loss, and an increased libido. The benefits of FormaSurge are highly noticeable and can take any user's training to the next level. Whether one is using FormaSurge by itself, while on cycle, or as a part of post-cycle therapy, results will surely be impressive.

Each Serving of Formasurge contains 50mg of Formestane and 42mg of Resveratrol.
Virtually all natty test boosters claim increase of libido, lean muscle mass increase and of course increase of natty test but by what levels? Not a lot. Any product that increases natty test can claim that it "increases lean muscle mass and increase fat loss" because of course, more test, no matter how small, will promote this.

When you compare how cost effective they are and whether it is worth paying that much for not a lot in return.
 
Discussion starter · #23 ·
Fair enough. I am concerned about the libido though and from what I've read Proviron has it's own set of side effects. At say 50mg for 8 weeks on Anavar, is libido greatly affected, and is there another alternative to keep things working? I thought perhaps the Formasurge might help with cholesterol as well, but I'll just take care with food and take one or two more omega 3's!
 
Dermacrine is DHEA. DHEA will convert to testosterone in negligible amounts but the reason it can be useful is it also converts to other hormones which will be depleted once the Anavar starts suppressing you so may help maintain libido better etc. Not something I would waste my money on personally.

Formestane is anabolic on its own in high doses but is mainly used to control estro as it is an AI, which as said before isn't needed here.

PCT I would do Nolva 20/20/10/10 if you are running 8 weeks and taking time off afterwards.
 
Discussion starter · #26 ·
I've heard of a lot of people say to use Clomid for PCT. Why would Nolva be favored?

I haven't ordered yet, but the source is reputable and have apparently lab tested their products.

Lastly, the more I read about this, the more it seems I should just run Test with it to get better gains and prevent libido loss. If so, is there a recommended dose, and then I imagine I would need to run an AI with it? This is partly why I wanted a var only cycle to keep things simple, but may as well do it properly the first time round.
 
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