Nope, wouldn't bother with a PCT either.

 

Nope, wouldn't bother with a PCT either.

...or tribulus, avena sativa, milk thistle or flax oil. And what is Dermacrine and Formasurge???

Op, sounds to me like all the unecessary cr4p you're taking is gonna cost more than the var, lol.

 

From what I've read Dermacrine and FormaSurge are well regarded so thought I would try them out. Then thought, I may as well do a proper cycle. Can see about pinning after this one. Still, open to more thoughts on the matter before I order.

 

Is an aromatase inhibitor necessary for a drug that doesn't aromatase?

What do you think? :lol:

 

Is an aromatase inhibitor necessary for a drug that doesn't aromatase?

What do you think? :lol:

This!!

Most (all) of the ancillaries are not needed on that dose. Avoid boozing and keep your water intake high.

I would say the only thing to add to var would be taurine.

 

Fair enough, just making sure. As mentioned, there is some conflicting information out there.

The taurine for the pumps?

Just in case I will do a PCT though. Is clomid at 50mg ED for 3 weeks a good choice based on experience?

Below are some links to the two other products I mentioned and have at my disposal. Wondering how best to use them in conjunction with the cycle:

http://www.bestsupps.co.uk/category/testosterone-boosters/dermacrine-by-bps

http://www.bestsupps.co.uk/category/testosterone-boosters/formasurge-by-bps

 

Drop the trib as well, you won't be able to boost your test levels if they aren't there to boost.... Milk thistle is your choice but most would say not to bother.

 

if you had been "researching loads" you would know the answer to these questions already

 

I'm 3rd week into var only cycle. 40mg ED, Euro Pharma Anavar. Strength and size gains have been fairly good so far. looking much vascular, veins are popping out more than before. I'm not on anything else apart from var, wouldn't bother either. I have experienced no side effects whatsoever. No libido loss either (if that's your main concern). Won't be doing pct either as I can tell this is a very mild steroid. I'm a first time user as well. Hope all goes well

 

Anavar

Week 1-8 60mg/day

Week 9-11 Clomid 100/50/50

There we go. Get rid of all that OTC crap that will make your cycle like triple the cost it should be.

 

if you had been "researching loads" you would know the answer to these questions already

Always one spastic c*nt. I've been researching on and off for years and have finally decided to give it a go after a 6kg cut. There is so much misinformation and "broscience" that instead of taking a risk I decided to start a thread. Hopefully anyone else looking can read this thread and learn from it.

Thanks to everyone else for your helpful answers, I'll ditch all the unnecessary stuff and do Var as well as a light Clomid PCT just in case.

 

Always one spastic c*nt. I've been researching on and off for years and have finally decided to give it a go after a 6kg cut. There is so much misinformation and "broscience" that instead of taking a risk I decided to start a thread. Hopefully anyone else looking can read this thread and learn from it.

Thanks to everyone else for your helpful answers, I'll ditch all the unnecessary stuff and do Var as well as a light Clomid PCT just in case.

I really wouldn't bother with it mate, it really isn't necessary.

 

I really wouldn't bother with it mate, it really isn't necessary.

Everybody's personal preference with PCT. Some people recover easily and quickly but some people dont. He may as well try PCT and see how quick he recovers and he can make an educated decision if he decides to cycle again.

SERM PCTs are cheap and he planned to use all OTC stuff so I am sure £20 of Clomid is spare change in comparison.

 

From what I can see, some people don't have any problems without PCT. However, some who have done it with and without find they kept most of their gains and recovered quicker with the PCT. Will see how I feel anyway.

I'll be buying 2800mg. They are in 20mg doses though. Wondering if it's better going for 40mg ED for 10 weeks? Alternatively, could have a 40mg dose for the first 3 weeks and then go to 60mg for 5 weeks. Saves having to break one pill up into 4 every couple of days.

According to the lab report, the Biomex Labs ones are slightly overdosed at 25mg (stated 20mg) so the above plan would effectively be 50mg ED for 10 weeks, or 50mg/75mg.

 

From what I can see, some people don't have any problems without PCT. However, some who have done it with and without find they kept most of their gains and recovered quicker with the PCT. Will see how I feel anyway.

While I have this thread open, has anyone tried Biomex Labs Anavar? It's on special at the moment so is cheaper than the Geneza Pharmaceutical alternatives.

Friend used Biomex var and the stuff was g2g, definitely boosted strength for him. Also a few reviews elsewhere say the stuff is g2g

 

No... you do not need an AI with Anavar.

 

Friend used Biomex var and the stuff was g2g, definitely boosted strength for him. Also a few reviews elsewhere say the stuff is g2g

Awesome, thanks.

 

One last thing, has anyone used proviron with their Anavar cycle to combat the libido loss?

 

From what I've read Dermacrine and FormaSurge are well regarded so thought I would try them out. Then thought, I may as well do a proper cycle. Can see about pinning after this one. Still, open to more thoughts on the matter before I order.

Yes, but what are they lol. You've been on the US boards haven't you??

 

Yes, but what are they lol. You've been on the US boards haven't you??

Lol, maybe. I've been everywhere. Once you start researching something, it's not long before 20 tabs are up and you end up with more questions than before. I cancelled the order for these for now, so I can just spend the dosh on the Anavar. I've copied over a write up of both below:

Dermacrine:

Boost Testosterone

Increase Libido

Increase muscle and strength gains

Bulk Performance Solutions Dermacrine is identical to Primordial Performance's Dermacrine which was made previous. It is one of the bestselling natural testosterone boosters on the market today, and with it having a topical delivery system; it is set apart from the rest of the oral testosterone boosters on the market today. It contains 5 different compounds all involved in producing a safe boost in Testosterone while maintaining safe levels of DHT and Eastrogen.

What is Dermacrine good for?

BPS Dermacrine is great for increasing natural testosterone levels, and in turn, increasing size and strength gains. Testosterone is the male hormone for producing muscle mass meaning that the higher our testosterone levels the better environment our muscle is in to grow. Dermacrine will not only increase testosterone whilst combatting eastrogen, it will boost mood and health too.

Who should use Dermacrine?

BPS Dermacrine can be used by anyone looking to increase their free testosterone levels and increase muscle and strength gains. BPS can be included as part of PCT for those coming off a prohormone cycle.

What can you stack Dermacrine with?

BPS Dermacrine can be stacked with any other oral testosterone booster such as Driven Sports Activate Xtreme to further increase testosterone production. The two different products will work in different pathways meening it is safe to stack with other testosterone booster.

-----

Formasurge:

FormaSurge 120 Servings by Bulk Performance Solutions (BPS)

With the discontinuation of products from Primordial Performance and Competitive Edge Labs using Formestane, Bulk Performance Solutions (BPS) have introduced their own spin on formestane by combining its anti-estrogenic and testosterone boosting effects with a health dose of resveratrol which has been shown to have a range of positive health benefits as well as boosting mood, increasing wellbeing and contributing to an improved endocrine profile.

In short, the combination of ingredients in FormaSurge will lead to improved muscle and strength gains, reduced body fat, especially abdominal fat, improved libido and generally create a positive mental and physical outlook for the body. FormaSurge can be considered similar to the popular Sustain Alpha by Primordial Performance and like Sustain Alpha, can be used as a standalone testosterone booster, used during PCT, or as part of a prohormone cycle to prevent estrogenic side effects

What is FormaSurge good for?

Combines resveratrol and formestane

Increases testosterone and lowers estrogen

Anti-aging benefits

Improved mood and cognitive benefit

Enhances strength and muscle gains

More Information on FormaSurge

BPS' FormaSurge is the latest in transdermal supplements. With an advanced carrier that optimizes the ingredients involved, FormaSurge is the perfect product for people looking to control estrogen levels while boosting testosterone.

The main active compound in FormaSurge is the aromatase inhibitor, Formestane. Aromatase is the enzyme which manufactures estrogen and by inhibiting it, users can lower and control the amount of estrogen in the body. Furthermore, being Formestane is a "suicide inhibitor," estrogen levels will not rebound once application is discontinued. In addition to its affect on estrogen, Formestane has been shown to notably boost testosterone.

The other prominent ingredient in FormaSurge is the powerful anti-oxidant, Resveratrol. Found in the skin of grapes, Resveratrol can increase natural testosterone production, lower estrogen levels, increase levels of adiponectin (a hormone produced to increase the use of fat for energy), and reduce levels of cholesterol. Additionally, Resveratrol has been shown to protect against the aging of skin cells, resulting in greater, younger looking skin.

The downside of Formestane and Resveratrol is their poor oral bio-availability which requires large doses of each in order to be effective. Consistently ingesting a large quantity of ingredients can place unnecessary strain on one's liver. However, because FormaSurge is a topical product, users don't need to worry about this added strain. Also, when Formestane and Resveratrol are applied topically, the ingredients' bio-availability increases greatly thanks to steroidal enzymes in the skin.

FormaSurge users can expect to experience lean muscle gains, fat loss, and an increased libido. The benefits of FormaSurge are highly noticeable and can take any user's training to the next level. Whether one is using FormaSurge by itself, while on cycle, or as a part of post-cycle therapy, results will surely be impressive.

Each Serving of Formasurge contains 50mg of Formestane and 42mg of Resveratrol.

 

Lol, maybe. I've been everywhere. Once you start researching something, it's not long before 20 tabs are up and you end up with more questions than before. I cancelled the order for these for now, so I can just spend the dosh on the Anavar. I've copied over a write up of both below:

Dermacrine:

Boost Testosterone

Increase Libido

Increase muscle and strength gains

Bulk Performance Solutions Dermacrine is identical to Primordial Performance's Dermacrine which was made previous. It is one of the bestselling natural testosterone boosters on the market today, and with it having a topical delivery system; it is set apart from the rest of the oral testosterone boosters on the market today. It contains 5 different compounds all involved in producing a safe boost in Testosterone while maintaining safe levels of DHT and Eastrogen.

What is Dermacrine good for?

BPS Dermacrine is great for increasing natural testosterone levels, and in turn, increasing size and strength gains. Testosterone is the male hormone for producing muscle mass meaning that the higher our testosterone levels the better environment our muscle is in to grow. Dermacrine will not only increase testosterone whilst combatting eastrogen, it will boost mood and health too.

Who should use Dermacrine?

BPS Dermacrine can be used by anyone looking to increase their free testosterone levels and increase muscle and strength gains. BPS can be included as part of PCT for those coming off a prohormone cycle.

What can you stack Dermacrine with?

BPS Dermacrine can be stacked with any other oral testosterone booster such as Driven Sports Activate Xtreme to further increase testosterone production. The two different products will work in different pathways meening it is safe to stack with other testosterone booster.

-----

Formasurge:

FormaSurge 120 Servings by Bulk Performance Solutions (BPS)

With the discontinuation of products from Primordial Performance and Competitive Edge Labs using Formestane, Bulk Performance Solutions (BPS) have introduced their own spin on formestane by combining its anti-estrogenic and testosterone boosting effects with a health dose of resveratrol which has been shown to have a range of positive health benefits as well as boosting mood, increasing wellbeing and contributing to an improved endocrine profile.

In short, the combination of ingredients in FormaSurge will lead to improved muscle and strength gains, reduced body fat, especially abdominal fat, improved libido and generally create a positive mental and physical outlook for the body. FormaSurge can be considered similar to the popular Sustain Alpha by Primordial Performance and like Sustain Alpha, can be used as a standalone testosterone booster, used during PCT, or as part of a prohormone cycle to prevent estrogenic side effects

What is FormaSurge good for?

Combines resveratrol and formestane

Increases testosterone and lowers estrogen

Anti-aging benefits

Improved mood and cognitive benefit

Enhances strength and muscle gains

More Information on FormaSurge

BPS' FormaSurge is the latest in transdermal supplements. With an advanced carrier that optimizes the ingredients involved, FormaSurge is the perfect product for people looking to control estrogen levels while boosting testosterone.

The main active compound in FormaSurge is the aromatase inhibitor, Formestane. Aromatase is the enzyme which manufactures estrogen and by inhibiting it, users can lower and control the amount of estrogen in the body. Furthermore, being Formestane is a "suicide inhibitor," estrogen levels will not rebound once application is discontinued. In addition to its affect on estrogen, Formestane has been shown to notably boost testosterone.

The other prominent ingredient in FormaSurge is the powerful anti-oxidant, Resveratrol. Found in the skin of grapes, Resveratrol can increase natural testosterone production, lower estrogen levels, increase levels of adiponectin (a hormone produced to increase the use of fat for energy), and reduce levels of cholesterol. Additionally, Resveratrol has been shown to protect against the aging of skin cells, resulting in greater, younger looking skin.

The downside of Formestane and Resveratrol is their poor oral bio-availability which requires large doses of each in order to be effective. Consistently ingesting a large quantity of ingredients can place unnecessary strain on one's liver. However, because FormaSurge is a topical product, users don't need to worry about this added strain. Also, when Formestane and Resveratrol are applied topically, the ingredients' bio-availability increases greatly thanks to steroidal enzymes in the skin.

FormaSurge users can expect to experience lean muscle gains, fat loss, and an increased libido. The benefits of FormaSurge are highly noticeable and can take any user's training to the next level. Whether one is using FormaSurge by itself, while on cycle, or as a part of post-cycle therapy, results will surely be impressive.

Each Serving of Formasurge contains 50mg of Formestane and 42mg of Resveratrol.

Virtually all natty test boosters claim increase of libido, lean muscle mass increase and of course increase of natty test but by what levels? Not a lot. Any product that increases natty test can claim that it "increases lean muscle mass and increase fat loss" because of course, more test, no matter how small, will promote this.

When you compare how cost effective they are and whether it is worth paying that much for not a lot in return.

 

Fair enough. I am concerned about the libido though and from what I've read Proviron has it's own set of side effects. At say 50mg for 8 weeks on Anavar, is libido greatly affected, and is there another alternative to keep things working? I thought perhaps the Formasurge might help with cholesterol as well, but I'll just take care with food and take one or two more omega 3's!

 

Dermacrine is DHEA. DHEA will convert to testosterone in negligible amounts but the reason it can be useful is it also converts to other hormones which will be depleted once the Anavar starts suppressing you so may help maintain libido better etc. Not something I would waste my money on personally.

Formestane is anabolic on its own in high doses but is mainly used to control estro as it is an AI, which as said before isn't needed here.

PCT I would do Nolva 20/20/10/10 if you are running 8 weeks and taking time off afterwards.

 

Have you had your anavar tested

 

I've heard of a lot of people say to use Clomid for PCT. Why would Nolva be favored?

I haven't ordered yet, but the source is reputable and have apparently lab tested their products.

Lastly, the more I read about this, the more it seems I should just run Test with it to get better gains and prevent libido loss. If so, is there a recommended dose, and then I imagine I would need to run an AI with it? This is partly why I wanted a var only cycle to keep things simple, but may as well do it properly the first time round.