testosterone and primo at a total of 4mg/kg. 50:50 split of compounds. would normally be 3mg/kg of same compounds with some MENT thrown in but i need to take a break from a progestin for a bit, before it trashes my brain.

 

I currently weigh 115kg and am on a TRT dose of 200mg test enanthate spread across two injections - one on Monday, the other on Thursday. This gives me a trough test reading of around 40nmol/L and free test of around 1 nmol/L. Most of my blood markers are improving over time. The only one that isn't is haematocrit and I donate blood every 3 months to keep that in order.

More importantly, I feel much better on this amount than 150mg/week with no adverse blood readings.

I've been reading that up to 3mg/kg bodyweight is well tolerated by most and that most unwanted sides come when you start getting north of that amount.

 

If you say 3ml per kg..you could possibly run 345mg a week ?

 

250 to 300 a week for me

 

125-150 Test E / week

 

180mg of sust, so call it 150ml of Test a week after accounting for the short half life of prop. And this is simply because I can't be arsed with doing a PCT.

 

@iwannabebig in theory, my understanding is that cruising is the minimum amount of gear that would allow you to keep +/- your on cycle gains.

So really depends on weight / muscle mass of the individual in question. I can cruise on 200mg of Test only, while on 125/150mg it's TRT for me (I will lose "some" weight, mostly water but will lose a little bit of muscle too..).

If you take a 120kg beast who runs 1.5g of Test and 800mg of Tren Ace on cycle ....well I suspect he'll need more than 200mg of Test to cruise, and perhaps better to add another compound such as Masteron, that doesn't aromatize and will also keep you vascular as long as your BF is already low (say under 10%). This until the next cycle.

Perhaps that the reason..

 

@iwannabebig in theory, my understanding is that cruising is the minimum amount of gear that would allow you to keep +/- your on cycle gains.

So really depends on weight / muscle mass of the individual in question. I can cruise on 200mg of Test only, while on 125/150mg it's TRT for me (I will lose "some" weight, mostly water but will lose a little bit of muscle too..).

If you take a 120kg beast who runs 1.5g of Test and 800mg of Tren Ace on cycle ....well I suspect he'll need more than 200mg of Test to cruise, and perhaps better to add another compound such as Masteron, that doesn't aromatize and will also keep you vascular as long as your BF is already low (say under 10%). This until the next cycle.

Perhaps that the reason..

Thanks for that mate, got it!

 

Few weeks into cruise at moment. ~240mg test e and 200mg mast e every 10 days feeling good so far.

 

I'm just curious why you are using the mast, doesn't it take the dose well above what would usually be considered a cruise dose? Or because it's a different compound does it not matter?

Was going to run 125mg test e per week but I have some mast p, could I add 50mg mast p eod and see any benefits without going above cruise dose? Confused.

 

I use only HCG and HMG and insulin, I finished my cycle 2 weeks ago and I started HCG 500 IU/day and HMG 50 IU/week and insulin 2 weeks off 2 weeks on, 2 days back I gave blood test and my test level was 1237 ng/dl !

I'm not only keeping my gain but I also gain more like now I gained 3 kg post cycle

 

250mg test e.

just gone into blast from my first cruise and surprised I lasted 20 weeks. Tren was calling from around week 12 lol.

Next cruise think I'm going to run a low dose mast e aswell.

 

125mg. Cheap as chips

 

All depends on your definition of a cruise, your size/LBM, your goals, your attitude to risk etc.

I will not drop below 500mg pw for the foreseeable future but there are reasons and aims behind this behaviour.

 

I never go below 200mg but 250mg ew is perfect for me no need for ai, no sides, good mood and libido...

 

175mg a week.

185lb 5'9 12% bf male checking in, feeling good and strength going up. BP good, got to be honest never done a blood test though disgracefully.

 

250mg a week peaks my blood levels at 75pmol/l so I'm guessing that would be down mid to high range by the next shot. For 500mg it was about 150pmol/l at peak (I took bloods same time after pinning), so I can only interpolate that 125mg a week would have me at around 35pmol/l dropping down to low range by next pin. I feel good on 250mg and my bloods are good so I see no reason to go any lower, it's hardly breaking the bank. There are private "TRT" clinics and they will get your bloods to a level where you're happy, and they'll use AIs etc.

 

200 a week

 

I'm about to start my first cruise on Test e 300, been reading around the net and people suggest 100mg/week up to 300mg/week. Some guys on TRT say they are on 200mg/week and that they are fine with that.

Was going to try .5ml per week (one injection per week) which taking into account the test e cleaved value works out around 125ml/week.

Do you guys here use something similar? Would appreciate any pointers !

Also I started getting a little gyno this cycle, I upped arimidex to 1mg EOD and started Nolva 20mg ED, after 4 weeks on those doses it seems to have cleared up nicely ! or at least stopped it developing ! Would I stay on these amounts during cruise? Thanks!

Run 20 mg nolvadex, gyno will be gone in 4-12 weeks. 300 mg test E will usually require .5-1.5 mg adex per week, depending on how much you aromatize. Some people won't need any AI, but may still have elevated E2 which can cause some health issues.

1 mg adex EOD is overkill for most people and won't do s**t for your gyno, just take enough adex to bring your E2 into normal range, nolvadex or raloxifene will do the rest.

TRT is replacing testosterone to physiological levels

Cruise is enough AAS to maintain gains, enhance performance, etc without adversely affecting health markers.

 

Run 20 mg nolvadex, gyno will be gone in 4-12 weeks.

Just an update... can confirm this is good advice, been on nolva for 7 weeks now 20mg ED and the disc shaped lumps have gone, guess I caught it in time! Considering throwing 20mg ED nolva into my next cycle along with the adex, seems to be prevention and cure!!

 

I used to do 250mg every 10 days but nowadays I lose mass with that dosage,

300mg a week nowadays for me is sweetpot to keep gains and living pumped with no AI needed

but then everyone is different and like is been said TRT for medical reasons and TRT for bodybuilding healthish/keep gains reasons are two different things and dosages are not the same for a 250lbs guy compared to 160lbs guy

 

I used to do 250mg every 10 days but nowadays I lose mass with that dosage,

300mg a week nowadays for me is sweetpot to keep gains and living pumped with no AI needed

but then everyone is different and like is been said TRT for medical reasons and TRT for bodybuilding healthish/keep gains reasons are two different things and dosages are not the same for a 250lbs guy compared to 160lbs guy

You ok bud iv just read this been reading loads on cruise doses..how much do you weigh to cruise on 300mg a week bud

 

I'm cutting on 300mg a wk and my blood came back at 69nmol so half a ml would put me just above high end

 

What lab you using mate?

 

Most people confuse the terms trt and cruise. Trt is to replace natural test levels and a cruise is designed to give the body a chance to recuperate from a blast but also maintain higher than normal levels of muscle.

2 different things imo

 

Thanks for answers, going to go with around .8ml test 300 each week (but not 1ml), can anyone answer the last one....

Also I started getting a little gyno this cycle, I upped arimidex to 1mg EOD and started Nolva 20mg ED, after 4 weeks on those doses it seems to have cleared up nicely ! or at least stopped it developing ! Would I stay on these amounts during cruise? Thanks!

100mg

125mg

250mg

300mg

all different doses ive cruised on dependent on goals and blood work at the time

after my next surgery ill be cruising on 300mg and cutting until strength dips then upping calories and staying on 500mg for the foreseeable future

Did you stay on arimidex (or alternative) at a certain mg? like on 100mg you didnt use it but you did use it on 300mg

 

Thanks for answers, going to go with around .8ml test 300 each week (but not 1ml), can anyone answer the last one....

Did you stay on arimidex (or alternative) at a certain mg? like on 100mg you didnt use it but you did use it on 300mg

Adjusted ai to cruise dose accordingly

 

For me a cruise is not same as trt.

A cruise to me is to maintain your muscle youve got so diff for everyone. A 200lb man obviously gonna need less than a 250+lb man just about finding your dose i normally run 250mg and normally sit around 250-260lbs the last year.

 

For me a cruise is not same as trt.

A cruise to me is to maintain your muscle youve got so diff for everyone. A 200lb man obviously gonna need less than a 250+lb man just about finding your dose i normally run 250mg and normally sit around 250-260lbs the last year.

This.

TRT isn't to maintain muscle you've added from gear use.

I'll do 200mg cyp per week when I start mine next month.

 

I'm only going off the advice of a family member who is an Endocrinologist. I'm not one myself.

 

So you are the very type of person you described someone who just repeats what others say. Preach your bro science brother preach...

 

200mg test cyp baby

 

200mg of test cypionate every two weeks is what my doc prrscribes, I'm States side.

 

60mg for trt? :lol:

It has been shown in studies that 125mg a week is needed for normal levels.

60mg is ludicrous, but not surprising from a UK endocrinologist as they are backwards compared to the USA.

Prime example - I know someone who was prescribed 1ml of sustanon every 28 days. F*cking disgraceful. His test level would be 'low' again after 8-9 days and then he'd have zip all for 20 days. We need to get with the times.

125mg every 7 days is the lowest you should go if you want 'normal' levels.

 

60mg for trt? :lol:

It has been shown in studies that 125mg a week is needed for normal levels.

60mg is ludicrous, but not surprising from a UK endocrinologist as they are backwards compared to the USA.

Prime example - I know someone who was prescribed 1ml of sustanon every 28 days. F*cking disgraceful. His test level would be 'low' again after 8-9 days and then he'd have zip all for 20 days. We need to get with the times.

125mg every 7 days is the lowest you should go if you want 'normal' levels.

They're not backward. You pay in the states, so the more you pay the more you get.

 

250mg test, 250mg tren, 250mg mast.