Was there no advice from the endo about continuing use of the testogel?

You can fling your spare sachets my way - I'm hoping to get prescribed them but taking ages to see my dr!

 

Nope and I didn't ask. I know the answer from a professional pointy of view, I am now on nebido so should discontinue use of the gel.

However, i know there's a couple on here who supplement nebido with extra test so was after advice on whether they would use the excess during the loading phase out wait until the end of the period as the effects are wearing of waiting for the next jab.

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Nope and I didn't ask. I know the answer from a professional pointy of view, I am now on nebido so should discontinue use of the gel.

However, i know there's a couple on here who supplement nebido with extra test so was after advice on whether they would use the excess during the loading phase out wait until the end of the period as the effects are wearing of waiting for the next jab.

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I would defo take Testogel at least for a few weeks in or even up until the booster, I made that mistake or my Dr made the mistake of stopping Testogel after Injection of Nebido and my level dropped to baseline within 4 weeks, its a different form and a different relsease so Testogel will be out of your system within days and you will be stuck waiting for Nebido to build up.

 

Thanks mate, thought as much bit was just after some reassurance. Bloods aren't for 18 Weeks so the gel will be well out of my system by then.

Thanks for the reply.

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I dont know if it helps but i use also do full on aas and hgh inbetween bloods

 

Well just had another endo checkup appointment and my latest test number the morning before my last jab was 34. Doctor says that is way too high and following another review in six months time is looking to extend my jabs from 8 weeks to 10.

I was surprised the test was so high bearing in mind I produce no natural test and i'm constantly fatigued... Guess it's not low levels causing it!

 

Well just had another endo checkup appointment and my latest test number the morning before my last jab was 34. Doctor says that is way too high and following another review in six months time is looking to extend my jabs from 8 weeks to 10.

I was surprised the test was so high bearing in mind I produce no natural test and i'm constantly fatigued... Guess it's not low levels causing it!

So you are on 8 week intervals of standard 1g of Nebido? That does seems quite high for week the end of week 7, perhaps your body does not use up/process T as fast as some other guys or maybe the test result is a one off fluke. If that is a true reading then you probably should increase your intervals because if you are re-dosing at 34nmol/l then your levels will be absolutely sky high in the first couple of weeks of the cycle - not healthy in the long run.

In terms of symptoms, one theory might be that you have overshot your personal optimal testosterone level and as a result have sent other hormones out of balance, leading to fatigue.

Do you prefer the Nebido to the testogel in terms of benefits/symptoms?

 

Hi mate.

Yes def prefer the jab. My levels on the gels were 11.soon as I went on the jabs it was like puberty again.

I've had two week 7 readings around 30ish now. If I get the third the same in six months I'll be extended to 10 week intervals. Was put on 8 weeks as my symptoms were reappearing at about 6 and a half to 7 weeks. They still are but they must be due to something else as my test level is plenty high.

 

this is something i also need to address soon , ive been taking nebido at 8 weeks intervals for about 18 months now and my readings at trough continue to rise , my last shot was a few days ago and ive had a few hot flushes so ive used 10mg of aromasin yesterday (and i will today) to try and dump some E2 and see if it was that causing it , it wont be coming back on the rebound as aromasin is a suicide A.I , if the hot flushes stop i'll be asking my GP/uro to drop me back to 10 weeks for 3 shots then retest my trough levels.

 

Whilst the idea of extending to 10 doesn't sit well with me I think the psychological side will be worse than the physical (I'll know I'd usually have had a jab so will think myself worse).

Having said that my blood pressure is higher than it always was and my body acne is terrible so I'm hoping an extension will fix this as god knows what my Peak levels must be like.

I've tried broaching the subject of oestrogen levels with my endo but as usual he (abd the previous one) refused to acknowledge it as a hormone worth testing. Don't think I have any particular signs of high e, but would be nice to know.

 

Very apt timing guys, I saw my endo on Friday morning, my test level between weeks 1-2 was 44 nmol/l and week 3 41 nmol/l e2 was also high at 262 pmol, I have symptoms such as increased sweating/night sweats, flushing, short fused/aggression, anyway we agreed to take me to 10 week intervals instead of 8 and retest for peak and trough. also he agreed to test my FBC again (my GP wouldn't do when asked). but my red cell count on last test was 54.5 with the cut off at 52? that was in feb this year with a test level around 20s.

I have been on and off taking adex.

I have also contacted the blood donor people and they have no objection for me to donate while on treatment, so I do plan to do so.

 

unless you use the adex most of the time and taper it get aromasin instead , no chance of rebound and the E2 conversion gets stopped instead of bound up, so its easier to use for a shorter time.

 

Hi mate.

Yes def prefer the jab. My levels on the gels were 11.soon as I went on the jabs it was like puberty again.

I've had two week 7 readings around 30ish now. If I get the third the same in six months I'll be extended to 10 week intervals. Was put on 8 weeks as my symptoms were reappearing at about 6 and a half to 7 weeks. They still are but they must be due to something else as my test level is plenty high.

Well IMO if the trough level before the next injection has consistently been 30 something then extending the interval is the way to go. I've had readings in the 30s before now but that was peak reading after applying two packs (10g) of gel. If you are never dropping below 30 then in the long run you are probably going to run into problems with your red blood count, haematocrit , etc.

I think if your energy and libido are crap on that amount of T then it is because T:E is out of whack or something else is going on.

 

Well thought i'd reply to this thread instead of creating another one as a way of dumping my thoughts. I certainly think an extension is the way to go. Had a jab nearly two weeks ago and over the past week i have been hot and slightly sweaty, irritated as hell and on edge and my body acne is out of control still (been referred to a dermo but pretty sure it is related to the high test). I also have crazy bouts of it itching on my body and scalp, like a prickly heat feeling.

Still feeling constantly knackered too, i can wake from nine hours sleep, eat breakfast and easily fall asleep again. I always assumed this was down to my low test,but super high test levels have not fixed this. Funnily enough, I was feeling slightly better around week seven of my last jab though without the usual return to foggyness and depressive state.

I have a review in february with my endo who states that if i get one more mega high reading he will extend me to 10 weeks. I actually want to do this now and see if it improves things. As it goes, my jab is due during a course i have coming up which means i have to either have it a week early at week 7 or 3 weeks late at week 11. I think i am going to go with week eleven. I will still get bloods done at week 7 like the endo wants but delay my jab until week 11 (will explain this to him when i see him but will mean my bloods will show whether 8 weeks is def too close together).

This dialing in business is not easy and i've kind of convinced myself that i need to lower my levels really.

 

@Uk86 @Vigilante @pugster

I know i haven't asked any specific questions but tagged you guys in for your thoughts.

 

How much of what were you injected with? I personally would keep using the gel over next few weeks at least. Test is best and more test is even better

 

How much of what were you injected with? I personally would keep using the gel over next few weeks at least. Test is best and more test is even better

Cheers for taking the time to read buddy but that's a little out of date now been off the gels for 18 months now!

 

Cheers for taking the time to read buddy but that's a little out of date now been off the gels for 18 months now!

My bad! Hope the injections are going well anyhow

 

How much of what were you injected with? I personally would keep using the gel over next few weeks at least. Test is best and more test is even better

more test is not better , this is the TRT section and he's talking about nebido , TRT is about mimicking your bodys own levels all year round and is not like a cycle.

@SamG , you have pretty much answered yourself , nebido does take some dialing in due to its long ester and ramp up time the only way is to experiment and try a longer timescale- tho be aware it will take a few shots at that timescale to get things evened out.

personally ive never had any problems with acne etc and the hot flushes i posted about stopped so i never changed the timescale.

 

more test is not better , this is the TRT section and he's talking about nebido , TRT is about mimicking your bodys own levels all year round and is not like a cycle.

@SamG , you have pretty much answered yourself , nebido does take some dialing in due to its long ester and ramp up time the only way is to experiment and try a longer timescale- tho be aware it will take a few shots at that timescale to get things evened out.

personally ive never had any problems with acne etc and the hot flushes i posted about stopped so i never changed the timescale.

Thanks for the explanation of what trt is! I was completely oblivious! Perhaps my glib comment wasn't much use to the op so apologies there. And pugster, maybe you could explain to me what is sarcasm?

 

Thanks for the explanation of what trt is! I was completely oblivious! Perhaps my glib comment wasn't much use to the op so apologies there. And pugster, maybe you could explain to me what is sarcasm?

lol ,that was me being nice

 

My thoughts are pretty much on par with yours regarding the dialing in, I have just dropped back to 10 weekly, had blood test 2 weeks in and yet to get that result but I'm not even sure why my endo wanted me testing bloods yet because as pug says its unlikely to change after 1 injection. I also have the blood form to retest through before my next jab in the ass. I am still getting sweats and running hot, my mood was actually better towards the end of my last jab and after 1 week or so of the latest jab I was back feeling aggressive. I recently got my medical records printed out for something unrelated but upon reading through them I came across a letter from my endo to my gp saying " I can see why you said this gentlemen has anxiety related problems and is obsessional, he was asking all manner of strange questions relating to testosterone" had me in stitches that one. I had asked him at our first appointment about free testosterone and shbg...strange questions indeed.

I'm unsure quite which way to go with the Nebido at present, stick to 10 weeks for around 3 or 4 injections check what my levels are like if the peak is still 40ish switch to 12 weekly most likely, I may try some aromasin. My RBC is still elevated too at around 5.53 with 4.5-5.3 being the norm.

Sam did you ever get your e2 tested?

 

My thoughts are pretty much on par with yours regarding the dialing in, I have just dropped back to 10 weekly, had blood test 2 weeks in and yet to get that result but I'm not even sure why my endo wanted me testing bloods yet because as pug says its unlikely to change after 1 injection. I also have the blood form to retest through before my next jab in the ass. I am still getting sweats and running hot, my mood was actually better towards the end of my last jab and after 1 week or so of the latest jab I was back feeling aggressive. I recently got my medical records printed out for something unrelated but upon reading through them I came across a letter from my endo to my gp saying " I can see why you said this gentlemen has anxiety related problems and is obsessional, he was asking all manner of strange questions relating to testosterone" had me in stitches that one. I had asked him at our first appointment about free testosterone and shbg...strange questions indeed.

I'm unsure quite which way to go with the Nebido at present, stick to 10 weeks for around 3 or 4 injections check what my levels are like if the peak is still 40ish switch to 12 weekly most likely, I may try some aromasin. My RBC is still elevated too at around 5.53 with 4.5-5.3 being the norm.

Sam did you ever get your e2 tested?

No never did get e2 tested... Think I'll have to go to my gp and try get it done. The endo is fairly dismissive of the necessity which sucks . Like you I actually felt better at the end of my last jab as my levels were lower (although still above the top end of the range!).

I'm certain now i'm going to wait and get my hands after my work course at week eleven. It will be increased to ten weeks after my review in February anyway so may as well get a head start.