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#1 ·
here is a snippet from an article written by Ron Koslof. He worked with Vince Gironda, and has srong views on diet and nutrition. what are your opinions on the following, mainly the bit in bold about protein and fat...

You see, God is the greatest chemist in the world. He created the egg. A drug company created the medical doctor, and all medical doctors do is write prescriptions. Nothing more, nothing less. They tell you what is wrong with you and then write a prescription for a dangerous synthetic drug!

If you separate the white and yolk of the egg, you get an isolated protein. Any time you separate the white and the yolk of an egg, you get an isolated protein. Any time you separate protein from fat you're left with an incomplete food. The manufacturers of protein powders tell you to mix them with juice or water.





Well, let me tell you, folks - you can't digest protein without fat. Vince taught me that and he was right. When you swallow an egg white, it goes into your stomach and your stomach says, "Hey, where's the fat?" The white, which is protein, has no vehicle for conversion, so it's converted to sugar.
The same thing happens when you use protein powder. They say to mix with juice or water because they're made of ionized whey protein, which is the skim of cottage cheese. It's not biologically superior to eggs, liver and milk. These powders make you feel good because they're carbohydrated sugar. Sure you're going to put on weight, but it's not going to be muscle weight.

You cannot digest protein without fat, and it must be digested to be converted to amino acids. Once it's digested it goes through the liver and is converted to amino acids. If it's not digested the liver can't do its job. If eggs or fat cause heart attacks, I want someone to tell me how my grandmother and grandfather, who were both muscular people with beautiful skin, lived on a farm, consumed raw milk, natural eggs, pork sausage and butter (my grandfather died two months shy of his 98th birthday, and my grandmother died when she was 101.

An Indian who worked for my grandfather for food and shelter would eat only meat. We kids on the farm used to give pears, peaches and apples, and he'd say, "Oh, you kids crazy!" He wanted meat. Grandma and Grandma would butcher a hog or a steer and put it in the cellar (the cellar was like a fridge back then), and he would go down into the cellar and eat meat.

The whole article is here http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/guru.htm
 
#3 ·
I agree with the part about whole fat being a much more healthier substrate than starchy carbs which it obviously is, related to sports performance is another matter.

Eggs with no whites are not good for you as you split half of the amino acid profile when you take the yolk out lowering the bv and getting a much more incomplete protein source.

As for the part about the protein being used for glycogen conversion I only have a guess.

Obviously if your only consuming protein its going to be converted via glucenogesis into muscle glycogen or fat.

With the lack of a fuel substrate your body sill automatically do this.

Hense why carbs and fat are protein sparing.

I suppose it comes down to a which is better carbs or fats?.....lol
 
#10 ·
I remember reading some time ago that the first tests were used with using dehydrated egg yolks.

Something about the dehydration made the egg yolks toxic.

It is either deyhdration or freeze dried, I cant remember, I cant remember, either way but it was toxic and this is what they based their original findings on.
 
#15 ·
from what i gather about eggs a complete protein (all the aminos etc) come from the whole eggs. so to have 3 yolks and 5 white gives you 3 eggs worth of whole proteins fats etc etc and 2 incomplete proteins and the body makes the rest to create complete proteins?

have i got that right?
 
#23 ·
cyberheater said:
So if I have Whey protein with water for a pre breakfast boost, it won't work because it doesn't contain any fat. Is that right?
To be honest thats a poor breakfast by anyone's standards. Just a whey shake?

You say pre-breakfast - why not just have breakfast?

Oats and whey. Oats probably contain ample fat, but if you're worried they don't add fish oils caps. Either that or whole eggs. I struggle with 100g of oats and 6 eggs.
 
#25 ·
invisiblekid said:
To be honest thats a poor breakfast by anyone's standards. Just a whey shake?

You say pre-breakfast - why not just have breakfast?

Oats and whey. Oats probably contain ample fat, but if you're worried they don't add fish oils caps. Either that or whole eggs. I struggle with 100g of oats and 6 eggs.
I would normally have a whey shake with water before my oats etc...

Now I just mix up a whey shake with milk and pour it over my 3 weetabix.