Nothing else really beats them for pure accrual of muscle tissue - and my dick works fine on any 19nor derivative. I only run small doses and for short peroids to try to mitigate sides but its all risk vs reward.

By your logic whats the point in taking steroids at all if you're not competing?

 

Whats the point of doing anything in life then.
If it makes someone happy leave em too it.

Sounds like you caught your Mrs getting nailed by a 19nor taking roid head. Did she make noises you've never heard her make before? 😍

 

Lol sounds like that 19nor you're running has flipped your perspective on reality.

Reality is you have no cardio, soak the bed in sweat after 2 minutes and are viagra dependent. But you're right if that makes you happy, carry on mate. 😄

 

coz I can only run so much test before sides...so you bump it up with deca, right ? and not heard about deca being neurotoxic yet. or cardiotoxic unless on 20x a standard dose ( go check that study ). and not suffered from deca dick yet either. cheers.

 

Google nandrolone neurotoxicity. Tren is worse albeit.

Just because you are impotent, pal, doesn't meant the rest of us have this problem. Tren gives me hyper sex drive. It has zero effect on my cardio. In fact I don't get any side effects after using it so much.

More 19nor caused delusions.

Guy running tren says it doesn't affect his cardio.🤣

The hyper sex drive on tren is common sure but drive does not equate to performance.

 

I have done incredible long tren ace runs and have probably used it 5-6 years in total. I'm not saying this is smart or safe but I have done bloods often, calcium score, heart ultrasound, liver ultrasound, urine tests etc and I have absolutely nothing wrong. Not even heart enlargement. Although I have been taking a shit load of drugs and supplements to prevent any possible side effects the whole time (ARBs, betablockers, tadalafil etc)

 

do you run a log or can we have a peak at that stack

 

To get girls

 

And boys

 

I haven't done any 19-nors for the longest time. Side effect:gain ratio just isn't worth it for me. Mentally they always make me feel terrible, that's my main concern.

 

And there was me thinking dear old Wylde was the biggest bellend on ukm.

 

Dick = zero problems
Cardio = doesnt affect me to the point where i notice a immense reduction of capability, if it does i use cardarine, mainly tren, with deca n NPP zero probs
Liver ALTs and Kidney profiles are within range and fine for me.. not saying side effects dont exist, but for me health wise im fine, except tren messes with my head a lil while on.
science = facts but we are all individuals and some will experience more issues than others.
on winny even at 30mg my joints are F'd..my friend uses 100mg and zero probs

 

If you're not competing.

They're neurotoxic, cardiotoxic, bad for your blood vessels, livers, kidney,etc.. And they make your dick not work.

All of that clear as day in the scientific literature.

Yet half you nobs run them in your cycles. Madness.

What do you run bud?

 

Test, primo, and var.

 

Dude if your going off personal experience then your one of the unlucky ones when it comes to 19nors, and if your going off what you read on the net and using that as your only evidence please don't! the only time i've ever had boner issues is when e2 is out of whack, nothing to do with the 19nor itself, however i agree with you, since i stopped competing the only drugs i tend to use these days are test, primo, var, tbol etc no ancillaries needed, sleep better etc the main issue i get with tren is insomnia, and the only issue i get with deca is a numb dick, get it up fine but can't climax for shit which isn't cool! But yes i hear so many threads of guys complaining about dick issues, night sweats, insomnia, and i just think why when you don't compete and look very average! Each to their own i guess.

 

Sounds like someone is projecting their issues. Never ever had any issues with my dick, or cardio on up to 600mg tren. Certainly a slight decline in sleep quality, but you can't tar everyone with the same limp brush your holding

 

Everyone will tolerate every drug differently.

Your experience will not be the same as mine, and vice versa.

Use which compounds work best for you.

 

In my experience Nandrolone is king for cardio hands down combined with test.
Never used Tren and never would. Nandrolone and test are regarding as some of the safest steroids available.

 

Tren certainly knocks my cardio - requires much more effort to complete. Heart rate/zone remains very similar to training without tren. Hell of a lot more tension in my chest/breathing.

Nandrolone - no issues with cardio but my resting heart rate increases by about 10bpm whilst on, especially the nocturnal values.

Always interesting to hear how the same compounds affect people differently.

 

What is it linford Christie tested positive for again? 🤔

 

Whilst I don't agree with the OP, 100m isn't really endurance, more instant power

 

OK so after reading that comparison thread I posted,,,I'll stick to deca for now...as I'm actually trying to get bigger...and it seems to be working pretty well so far. But thanks for the advice on primo.

 

i hate 19/nors.. quite enjoys seeing them get bashed for a change 😂

 

It's not the point you're making, but the fact you come across like a self righteous asshole in making it.

Everything in steroids is risk vs reward. That ratio is person dependent and everyone has their own reasons. End of.

 

It's not the point you're making, but the fact you come across like a self righteous asshole in making it.

Everything in steroids is risk vs reward. That ratio is person dependent and everyone has their own reasons. End of.

If being nice worked, you tards wouldn't still be running 19nors every cycle.

Lumping all "steroids" together in your risk vs reward equation is comically stupid.

You can get the benefits of being an enhanced athlete without essentially poisoning yourself.

 

If you're not competing.

They're neurotoxic, cardiotoxic, bad for your blood vessels, livers, kidney,etc.. And they make your dick not work.

All of that clear as day in the scientific literature.

Yet half you nobs run them in your cycles. Madness.

Did you get great results without using them? what is your favorite stack with test if 19nors are not option to you? What do you think about winstrol? Do you blast and cruise?

 

Said it before. Test, primo and var. Those 3 have the best safety profile. The first being a bioidentical hormone, with the latter 2 well tolerated even by women.

In combination you can build an awesome strong physique with those. Can't imagine why a non competitor would venture into the more risky stuff but that's just me.

 

It's one of those things isn't it. It's like saying smoking causes cancer. Some of my family members smoked all their lives but died of old age in the end. Basically the long term use might get you in the end like, heart problems, liver ect. But it isn't set in stone. You might you might not.

 

Cancer or not , dying age is mostly genetic . But the last years or ten, will be worse when one smokes. I can assure you that, yes people could live the same age but smokers health will be worse compared to nonsmoker.

 

One thing I am curious about is whether most of the toxicity of nandrolone due to low estrogen.

Doubt they're running it with a test base in these studies.

 

One thing I am curious about is whether most of the toxicity of nandrolone due to low estrogen.

Doubt they're running it with a test base in these studies.

you could be on to something there : Left ventricular hypertrophy and heart failure in women - PubMed

TL;DR: Nandrolone is associated with LVH / LVH is associated less in women than men / LVH is associated to a greater degree in women post menopause

 

My favorite compound was NPP, the fullness without the excess water/bloat was the best, enhanced lines, gave me the that real round look. But I won't touch that now, knowing that it at best only masks injuries. Everyone I have ever spoke to or interracted with found within a few months of coming off, started feeling brittle and beat up

 

and how were the side effects - sleep, and libido -? were they tolerable?

 

I've done a couple deca cycles before but just started Npp this week

 

when it comes to a compound to stack with test some people prefer deca over all others ( myself included ) and choose to run it even in full knowledge of the potential issues. that's pretty much it. thanks for listening.

 

just to clarify the LVH study on rats that is now part of folk lore...they gave 20mg/kg/week....that's the equivalent of a 12st guy running 1600mg deca a week...so yeah...don't do that.