ideally we'd all be getting bloods done but if you've overlooked PCT then id be surprised if blood tests were high on your list of priorities

Might be alittle close to discussing sources here (Sorry if that's the case) but are bloods the sort of think I could get from my doctor or do you have to go private?

 

Your gp will tell you to stop injecting counterfeit drugs you purchased off the internet but will treat you if you become ill as a result of and may order a blood test.

Maybe use a private provider and free up nhs time for people who actually need it.

 

the problem is that in my country I can't find aromasin and I agree with you that we need to take an AI during the pct so I think I should either take arimidex with clomid only, or take clomid with tamoxafin and eliminate arimidex.

 

Does anyone have another video for how to prepare HCG. The original link doesnt work.

 

I gave instructions on how to mix hcg in the first cycle thread

https://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/topic/266807-first-steroid-cycle-its-not-that-difficult/?do=embed

 

@swole troll regarding PCT, can you explain why you'd stop any type of cardio?

I feel some people are so against "cardio" for no reason other than being lazy. Not only is it good for your overall health but it's a great way to feel better (endorphins etc). Not to mention it helps your body function how it should. Sitting on your a55 doing nothing during PCT because your bodies trying to "recover" (like it's gone through surgery or something) seems bonkers. You'll raise your metabolism, increase your calorie expenditure, allowing for intake of more nutrients. I could go on but I won't

Thanks bud :thumbup1:

 

@swole troll regarding PCT, can you explain why you'd stop any type of cardio?

I feel some people are so against "cardio" for no reason other than being lazy. Not only is it good for your overall health but it's a great way to feel better (endorphins etc). Not to mention it helps your body function how it should. Sitting on your a55 doing nothing during PCT because your bodies trying to "recover" (like it's gone through surgery or something) seems bonkers. You'll raise your metabolism, increase your calorie expenditure, allowing for intake of more nutrients. I could go on but I won't

Thanks bud :thumbup1:

For PCT and the brief period after whilst retaining maximal muscle I think doing as little as you can to encourage muscle loss is ideal.

Excessive muscle is a burden on a body with a high cardiovascular demand.
I'm not saying stop going for walks and staying active but jogging, HIIT, long bike rides ect, probably best left until your hormonal profile has improved some.

 

@swole troll thank you for your thread, that is another great informative post! I've literally read everything, however I still would like to confirm with you please. I have collected all the information from this thread and figure out that Test 500 cycle will look as per below. Please correct me if I am wrong. I added Sustanon, and was wondering whether the same cycle/PCT will apply (I assume so but thought will double-check )?

EDIT: I want to keep fertility. I apologise if some info already has been confirmed.

Week 1-12 cycle:

• Test E or Test Sustanon 2ml/500mg E7D
• Arimidex - 0.5mg ED
• HCG - 1000iu (500iu E3D)

PCT – starting 21days after the last Test shot, which will be starting in week 15

• Clomid 100/100/100/50/50 5 weeks total
• Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20/20 7 weeks total
• Arimidex 0.5 ED or Aromasin 25/ followed by 12.5 EOD 2 weeks total
• HCG - 1000iu (500iu E3D) - not sure for how many weeks though?
  
  ​

 

PCT – starting 21days after the last Test shot, which will be starting in week 15

• Clomid 100/100/100/50/50 5 weeks total
• Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20/20 7 weeks total
• Arimidex 0.5 ED or Aromasin 25/ followed by 12.5 EOD 2 weeks total
• HCG - 1000iu (500iu E3D) - not sure for how many weeks though?​

Continue with the HCG for those 21 days (maybe even 28 days) stop, then 3 days later start the clomid & nolva.
I personally don't agree with using an AI in PCT, would rather taper off it during those 21/28 days and you have nolva for any oestrogen rebound once in PCT.

 

Swole hasn’t logged in for a month. Personally I have never taken a pct drug and don’t believe in the entire concept. What I have done is ran hcg on cycle and been on constantly for almost 3 years. I came off without any problems. Hcg will suppress the hpta in the same way as test does so running that and taking pct drugs at the same time is pointless in my view. You need to cease use of hcg before you start the clomid and nolva. If I were to take the latter I’d take less for a shorter period. 20mg nolva throughout and 50mg clomid. Clomid is known to be side heavy

 

Oh. And I’d leave it a month after last jab too.

 

@Sasnak thank you. That's interesting that you never took PCT, I assume this will affect fertility though?

@TURBS thanks, do you recommend to take AI during the cycle alone? Also, do you usually take Clomid & Novla during the cycle and PCT (I guess for 5 weeks?)

I know @swole troll hasn't been here for a month,I hope he will appear soon

 

@TURBS thanks, do you recommend to take AI during the cycle alone? Also, do you usually take Clomid & Novla during the cycle and PCT (I guess for 5 weeks?)

Not everyone needs an AI on cycle, it's very person dependant.
If you do need to take AI, like I said, you can taper off it whilst waiting for PCT.
Only take clomid during PCT, nolva may be used on cycle if suffering nipples issues (itchy, gyno etc).

 

In bold is the crucial information although i advise reading entire post

This has been done and stickied before but I get asked on a near enough daily basis by those planning their first cycle or more worryingly those who have already started their first cycle "what should i do for pct?" or "does this PCT look ok?"

so without further ado i'll try to keep things short n sweet

the cycle itself is what's shutting you down so where better to start than to do our best to minimize suppresion

HCG 500iu pinned on mondays and thursday (1000iu per week total) from your first shot of gear until 3 days prior to starting clomid

video on preparing your hcg which must be stored in the fridge once mixed:

oestrogen is far more suppresive than testosterone yet many will preach to only use an aromatase inhibitor if you start getting itchy nipples (signs of gyno) this is a ridiculous indicator of when to use an AI imo as high oestrogen doesnt always present in the form of gyno and if allowed to run rampant will definitely make recovery that much harder not to mention all the other health risks associated with elevated oestrogen

you should use an AI from day one of your cycle, preferably aromasin as it has little effects on lipids unlike arimidex and letrozole plus it's a suicide inhibitor so there is much less risk of rebound

I generally advise people to run either 12.5mg aromasin or 0.5mg arimidex ED from the start of their cycle and adjust from there, the chances of driving oestrogen too low whilst on 5 times the normal amount of test that a male produces is relatively slim as the body likes to maintain homoeostasis between oestrogen and testosterone, test rises = oestrogen rises
*Please note first time steroid users who do not understand how their body responds to steroids and aromatase inhibitors it is a lot easier to rectify mistakes with anastrazole (arimidex) than it is exemestane (aromasin)

if you push your e2 too low with anastrazole you can rebound it back up fairly quickly and adjust as needed, with exemestane you get no such privilege and you can end up spending a long time waiting for your e2 to rise again which will have a negative impact on lipid profile, joint integrity, mental health, libido and overall gains*

here's a good guide for how to gauge where abouts your oestrogen is - http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums/steroid-articles/59096-estrogen-handbook
ideally we'd all be getting bloods done but if you've overlooked PCT then id be surprised if blood tests were high on your list of priorities

here is a rough guide of the start times for PCT after your final shot:

"Below you'll find starting times for your PCT based on the active life of each compound. The active life is the duration of time it takes for the exogenous hormone to be absorbed, utilized, and expelled; no longer being bioavailable. Keep in mind that active life is an approximation which is dependant on dose, ester, as well as the individuals metabolization of the compound ; but for the moderate user, these are as close to precise as you'll find.

Anadrol /Anapolan: 24 hours after last administration
Deca : 21 days after last injection
Dianabol : 24 hours after last administration
Equipoise : 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 14 days after last injection
Sustanon : 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate : 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate : 14 days after last injection
Testosterone Propionate : 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension : 24 hours after last administration
Winstrol : 24 hours after last administration"

the above chart has loose estimates at best as it doesn't take into consideration how long you've been on or what dosages you've used but assuming you've ran test enth at 500mg every week for 12-15 weeks id advise leaving 21 days after your final shot before starting PCT

during this time you continue to run your HCG at 500iu twice per week until the last 3 days prior to starting PCT when you cease HCG usage

you then run

Clomid 100/100/100/50/50 5 weeks total

Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20/20 7 weeks total

Aromasin 25/ followed by 12.5 EOD 2 weeks total

/100/ represents 100mg ED for a week

OTC supplements that assist in PCT -

Vitamin d3 5000iu
Vitamin c 500mg twice a day AM/PM (1000mg total)

mix up 30 grams of EAA powder in a litre bottle of water and drink throughout the day in between meals, do this every day for the duration of your pct and also sip a EAA drink during training

and if you havnt already been using it on cycle now would be a good time to start using creatine

during pct your body will happily dispose of all that hard earned muscle if you don't make the environment perfect for it to justify holding onto it, do this by keeping intensity high but sessions slightly shorter, train no more than 4 days per week ideally 3 with a days rest in between each session, drop cardio for the duration of pct, eat in a very slight surplus, keep your protein high and get plenty of sleep (ideally sleep without setting an alarm and wake up naturally)

Dave Crosland's take on PCT -

Dr Michael Scally radio talk - Blue Collar Radio with Shelby Starnes & John Meadows (01/31/14) This week John and Shelby talk to Michael Scally, an expert on anabolic steroid side effects.

if you are are unsure on how to run your first cycle (dosages, compounds, timing ect) then please see my "first steroid cycle... it's not that difficult" thread -

First steroid cycle... It's not that difficult

Will I need hcg even tho I have had the snip ? I’m doing 250test cyp per week I was told I wont need to take anything else ? Cheers

 

Hcg will maintain endogenous testosterone production on cycle and should make recovery possible and easier if you come off exogenous testosterone. There are no guarantees though

 

@Sasnak @TURBS thank you for your informative information. I have to say, both of you have a very interesting approach, maybe I am relatively new to this hence I don't know much... Just for curiosity, could you write your ideal cycle+PCT plan for 500mg of Sustanon or Test E, please? Also, considering fertility.
I am extremely curious to see your way of doings. Apologies if asking for a lot

 

I have never taken a pct drug as previously mentioned so I’m not the best person to ask. Using hcg on cycle is the best aid to recovery in my view

 

Hi All,

Is this still the recommended PCT Schedule? I see that the date is 2015.

I've been B&C for around 5 years. Looking to come off now, and rebalance the system, get some bloods, get healthy etc then possibly just stay off permanently.

Cheers

Couple of questions regarding the first post:

Question 1:

Aromasin 25/ followed by 12.5 EOD 2 weeks total

Struggling with the format only... Week 1 25mg ED, Week 2 12.5mg EOD??
Further down the post it states to use Aromasin thought-out the whole PCT
So would the updated protocol look like this:-
WK1 25mg ED, WK2 to 7 12.5mg EOD

Question 2:

For those like myself that have not touched HCG for years how would you best change the HCG Cruise part

HCG at 500iu twice per week until the last 3 days

Could one modify it to the Dr Scally HCG Blast version, then start the protocol as described in the first post?

Dr Scally HCG Blast version?
Day 1-16 : 2500iu HCG every other day.




Assuming I read everything correctly, my PCT would look like this.
UK M - PCT with Dr Scally HCG Blast

 

Can somebody explain go me the reason you cease HCG before starting clomid?

I know some people run alongside but I was wondering if somebody could explain why it could be counterproductive.

Thanks.

 

In bold is the crucial information although i advise reading entire post

This has been done and stickied before but I get asked on a near enough daily basis by those planning their first cycle or more worryingly those who have already started their first cycle "what should i do for pct?" or "does this PCT look ok?"

so without further ado i'll try to keep things short n sweet

the cycle itself is what's shutting you down so where better to start than to do our best to minimize suppresion

HCG 500iu pinned on mondays and thursday (1000iu per week total) from your first shot of gear until 3 days prior to starting clomid

video on preparing your hcg which must be stored in the fridge once mixed:

oestrogen is far more suppresive than testosterone yet many will preach to only use an aromatase inhibitor if you start getting itchy nipples (signs of gyno) this is a ridiculous indicator of when to use an AI imo as high oestrogen doesnt always present in the form of gyno and if allowed to run rampant will definitely make recovery that much harder not to mention all the other health risks associated with elevated oestrogen

you should use an AI from day one of your cycle, preferably aromasin as it has little effects on lipids unlike arimidex and letrozole plus it's a suicide inhibitor so there is much less risk of rebound

I generally advise people to run either 12.5mg aromasin or 0.5mg arimidex ED from the start of their cycle and adjust from there, the chances of driving oestrogen too low whilst on 5 times the normal amount of test that a male produces is relatively slim as the body likes to maintain homoeostasis between oestrogen and testosterone, test rises = oestrogen rises
*Please note first time steroid users who do not understand how their body responds to steroids and aromatase inhibitors it is a lot easier to rectify mistakes with anastrazole (arimidex) than it is exemestane (aromasin)

if you push your e2 too low with anastrazole you can rebound it back up fairly quickly and adjust as needed, with exemestane you get no such privilege and you can end up spending a long time waiting for your e2 to rise again which will have a negative impact on lipid profile, joint integrity, mental health, libido and overall gains*

here's a good guide for how to gauge where abouts your oestrogen is - http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums/steroid-articles/59096-estrogen-handbook
ideally we'd all be getting bloods done but if you've overlooked PCT then id be surprised if blood tests were high on your list of priorities

here is a rough guide of the start times for PCT after your final shot:

"Below you'll find starting times for your PCT based on the active life of each compound. The active life is the duration of time it takes for the exogenous hormone to be absorbed, utilized, and expelled; no longer being bioavailable. Keep in mind that active life is an approximation which is dependant on dose, ester, as well as the individuals metabolization of the compound ; but for the moderate user, these are as close to precise as you'll find.

Anadrol /Anapolan: 24 hours after last administration
Deca : 21 days after last injection
Dianabol : 24 hours after last administration
Equipoise : 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 14 days after last injection
Sustanon : 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate : 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate : 14 days after last injection
Testosterone Propionate : 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension : 24 hours after last administration
Winstrol : 24 hours after last administration"

the above chart has loose estimates at best as it doesn't take into consideration how long you've been on or what dosages you've used but assuming you've ran test enth at 500mg every week for 12-15 weeks id advise leaving 21 days after your final shot before starting PCT

during this time you continue to run your HCG at 500iu twice per week until the last 3 days prior to starting PCT when you cease HCG usage

you then run

Clomid 100/100/100/50/50 5 weeks total

Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20/20 7 weeks total

Aromasin 25/ followed by 12.5 EOD 2 weeks total

/100/ represents 100mg ED for a week

OTC supplements that assist in PCT -

Vitamin d3 5000iu
Vitamin c 500mg twice a day AM/PM (1000mg total)

mix up 30 grams of EAA powder in a litre bottle of water and drink throughout the day in between meals, do this every day for the duration of your pct and also sip a EAA drink during training

and if you havnt already been using it on cycle now would be a good time to start using creatine

during pct your body will happily dispose of all that hard earned muscle if you don't make the environment perfect for it to justify holding onto it, do this by keeping intensity high but sessions slightly shorter, train no more than 4 days per week ideally 3 with a days rest in between each session, drop cardio for the duration of pct, eat in a very slight surplus, keep your protein high and get plenty of sleep (ideally sleep without setting an alarm and wake up naturally)

Dave Crosland's take on PCT -

Dr Michael Scally radio talk - Blue Collar Radio with Shelby Starnes & John Meadows (01/31/14) This week John and Shelby talk to Michael Scally, an expert on anabolic steroid side effects.

if you are are unsure on how to run your first cycle (dosages, compounds, timing ect) then please see my "first steroid cycle... it's not that difficult" thread -

First steroid cycle... It's not that difficult

I'm I alright to start my pct after 2 weeks of my last Testo injection..with out using hgi during my cycle? So I will start using hgi for PCT is that correct? Or if I need hgi during cycle, can I pin it on same day of pinning Testo? Because then that would be 4injections per wek

 

Firstly ty for these threads swole all 3 of them are super insightful. I'm following them myself. I'm 4 weeks into my 16 week cycle of 500 test e and following ur advice on arimidex and hcg doesages and all going fine so far.
My question is, my schedule has changed and after my 16 week pin I will be put of the country for 2 weeks so unable to fly with my hcg or arimidex. I don't think this should be a problem as from what I gather I stop taking arimidex for 3 weeks after my last pin and then start my pct and not taking the hcg for the 3 weeks b4 pct shouldn't be to bad considering iv consistently been taking it though my cycle anyways?
Thoughts?

 

you then run

Clomid 100/100/100/50/50 5 weeks total

Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20/20 7 weeks total

Aromasin 25/ followed by 12.5 EOD 2 weeks total

/100/ represents 100mg ED for a week

OTC supplements that assist in PCT -

This might seem like a stupid question but is this what you run depending on what drug you choose? Or should you run all of that at the same time for their respected weeks. I'm assuming I would just pick one and do it for x weeks?

 

you then run

Clomid 100/100/100/50/50 5 weeks total

Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20/20 7 weeks total

Aromasin 25/ followed by 12.5 EOD 2 weeks total




I don't like to ask stupid questions but the way i am reading this it seems for example:

You take the Clomid and then you take the Nolva and then you take the Aromasin?

Can someone confirm if im reading this wrong?


- Thanks in advance to anyone who can clarify.

 

No. You take them at the same time.

Nolva and clomid daily but running tamoxifen slightly longer than clomid. Aromasin/anastrozole is in play to keep E2 from converting but use it sparingly

 

In bold is the crucial information although i advise reading entire post

This has been done and stickied before but I get asked on a near enough daily basis by those planning their first cycle or more worryingly those who have already started their first cycle "what should i do for pct?" or "does this PCT look ok?"

so without further ado i'll try to keep things short n sweet

the cycle itself is what's shutting you down so where better to start than to do our best to minimize suppresion

HCG 500iu pinned on mondays and thursday (1000iu per week total) from your first shot of gear until 3 days prior to starting clomid

video on preparing your hcg which must be stored in the fridge once mixed:

oestrogen is far more suppresive than testosterone yet many will preach to only use an aromatase inhibitor if you start getting itchy nipples (signs of gyno) this is a ridiculous indicator of when to use an AI imo as high oestrogen doesnt always present in the form of gyno and if allowed to run rampant will definitely make recovery that much harder not to mention all the other health risks associated with elevated oestrogen

you should use an AI from day one of your cycle, preferably aromasin as it has little effects on lipids unlike arimidex and letrozole plus it's a suicide inhibitor so there is much less risk of rebound

I generally advise people to run either 12.5mg aromasin or 0.5mg arimidex ED from the start of their cycle and adjust from there, the chances of driving oestrogen too low whilst on 5 times the normal amount of test that a male produces is relatively slim as the body likes to maintain homoeostasis between oestrogen and testosterone, test rises = oestrogen rises
*Please note first time steroid users who do not understand how their body responds to steroids and aromatase inhibitors it is a lot easier to rectify mistakes with anastrazole (arimidex) than it is exemestane (aromasin)

if you push your e2 too low with anastrazole you can rebound it back up fairly quickly and adjust as needed, with exemestane you get no such privilege and you can end up spending a long time waiting for your e2 to rise again which will have a negative impact on lipid profile, joint integrity, mental health, libido and overall gains*

here's a good guide for how to gauge where abouts your oestrogen is - http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums/steroid-articles/59096-estrogen-handbook
ideally we'd all be getting bloods done but if you've overlooked PCT then id be surprised if blood tests were high on your list of priorities

here is a rough guide of the start times for PCT after your final shot:

"Below you'll find starting times for your PCT based on the active life of each compound. The active life is the duration of time it takes for the exogenous hormone to be absorbed, utilized, and expelled; no longer being bioavailable. Keep in mind that active life is an approximation which is dependant on dose, ester, as well as the individuals metabolization of the compound ; but for the moderate user, these are as close to precise as you'll find.

Anadrol /Anapolan: 24 hours after last administration
Deca : 21 days after last injection
Dianabol : 24 hours after last administration
Equipoise : 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 14 days after last injection
Sustanon : 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate : 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate : 14 days after last injection
Testosterone Propionate : 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension : 24 hours after last administration
Winstrol : 24 hours after last administration"

the above chart has loose estimates at best as it doesn't take into consideration how long you've been on or what dosages you've used but assuming you've ran test enth at 500mg every week for 12-15 weeks id advise leaving at least 21 days after your final shot before starting PCT

during this time you continue to run your HCG at 500iu twice per week until the last 3 days prior to starting PCT when you cease HCG usage

you then run

Clomid 100/100/50/50
4 weeks total

Nolva 20/20/20/20/20/20 6 weeks total

Aromasin 12.5 EOD
3 doses total

/100/ represents 100mg ED for a week

OTC supplements that assist in PCT -

Vitamin d3 5000iu
Vitamin c 500mg twice a day AM/PM (1000mg total)

mix up 30 grams of EAA powder in a litre bottle of water and drink throughout the day in between meals, do this every day for the duration of your pct and also sip a EAA drink during training

and if you havnt already been using it on cycle now would be a good time to start using creatine

during pct your body will happily dispose of all that hard earned muscle if you don't make the environment perfect for it to justify holding onto it, do this by keeping intensity high but sessions slightly shorter, train no more than 4 days per week ideally 3 with a days rest in between each session, drop cardio for the duration of pct, eat in a very slight surplus, keep your protein high and get plenty of sleep (ideally sleep without setting an alarm and wake up naturally)

Dave Crosland's take on PCT -

Dr Michael Scally radio talk - Blue Collar Radio with Shelby Starnes & John Meadows (01/31/14) This week John and Shelby talk to Michael Scally, an expert on anabolic steroid side effects.

if you are are unsure on how to run your first cycle (dosages, compounds, timing ect) then please see my "first steroid cycle... it's not that difficult" thread -

https://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/topic/266807-first-steroid-cycle-its-not-that-difficult/?do=embed

Great post

 

Hi mate. I’m considering a super PCT after 5 years B and C.

When it comes to the hCH and running it 2000 every other day (18 shots), do I do this when I start taking the clomid and nova? Or before?



Clomid 100/100/100/50/50 5 weeks total
Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20/20 7 weeks total
Adex 12.5 EOD 2 weeks total
Vitamin d3 5000iu ED
Vitamin c 500mg twice a day AM/PM (1000mg total)

 

Hcg therapy before SERMs.

You're stimulating the testis for longer that way.

Plus HCG causes a negative feedback loop anyway.

 

Two questions:

1) After your last pin - HCG at 500iu twice per week (until 3 days prior to starting PCT ). I'm assuming this is optimal because it keep your leydig cells working while not supressing you?

Lets say you did 500 iu HCG slightly more frequently at EOD (or even ED). This would give you higher testosterone prior to starting PCT so you'd feel less shit during those 2/3 weeks, but you'd be more suppressed when starting PCT?

Are we saying that anything >twice per week 500IU HCG, starts becoming more of a testosterone 'bridge' than a pure recovery assistance thing?

2) During PCT training only 3/4 days a week for 1 hour max is probably a significant training volume reduction for most. Lets say you trained 5 days per week for 90 mins a sesh - would this be an issue? (and why)

 

1) correct, plus youre not slowly watching your hormones completely decline due to intra testicular testosterone production.

2) you just need to be cognisant of recovery and how you really are in the worse possible state hormonally to not only perform well in the gym but also recover from training.
The mindset should be maintenance at just the right dose of intensity, volume and frequency.

It's a few months, you're not going to build any muscle at all. Your absolute goal is maintenance so don't go digging masses of recovery debt that you will struggle to get out of.

 

@swole troll hi just a few questions, there’s a lot of information here and it’s quite hard to digest but I’m trying my best to get through it.

1.) The dosages seem quite high and it’s a combo of two SERMs, I ran tamoxifen before and it turned me into a psycho.

2.) You mention to use an AI, this is the first time I’ve heard this as everywhere else just recommends HCG and one SERM (usually tamoxifen). You mentioned the AI will help drastically with the mental sides from SERMs so that’s good to hear.

3.) HCG… I’ve been off it for 4 months, albeit I’ve used it alongside my blasts for the past four years but I got this wild idea that I would be much drier if I dropped HCG due to it being quite estrogenic im nature. Will I resume HCG for a few weeks alongside TRT before hopping on PCT or should I go straight ahead and just PCT with serms.

4.) I’ve heard tamoxifen is superior to clomid and was warned to stay well away from it. Although you’re a man of experience and I want to hear your thesis on it.

5.) I ran tren and deca in the past, haven’t truly cycled either in over a year. Albeit I took one or two rogue 400mg dosages of deca last February before aborting the cycle. The stuff takes way too long to clear out and I didn’t want to wait over a year to pct. Would these two injections affect my pct? Are the metabolites from one injection strong enough to shut you down for a year.

Apologies I’m just slightly nervous about beginning my pct. I want to do everything right. Regardless of the outcome I have to come steorids entirely as I’ve bigger priorities in life now apart from the gym (I know crazy right). Sorry for writing half a bible worth of drivel. I hope you can take time out of your day to answer my questions and help me out. If not I completely understand as we all have our own lives to live.

 

1) yes they're high, but it's a short period of time and this is a tried and tested method by endocrinologists time and time again. Tren isn't prescribed by any medical professional and is known for it's drastic impact on physical and mental health. I'd say the time for caution has long since bolted in this discussion.

2) it has the potential to and it'll also keep oestrogen lower which is far more suppressive to the HPTA than testosterone. However tread carefully as tanking E2 will absolutely add to the woes of PCT. In all honesty I am tempted to remove this aspect of the PCT (I wrote this a long time ago) but if you get the dosage right and handle it well for a short spell I do still believe it'll only help in your recovery.

3) if you are currently on trt dosages then I would simply stop the trt and run an HCG blast at 2000iu EOD for 10 shots / 20 days total.

If you're on cycle then drop to 100-125mg of testosterone and run it alongside 500iu HCG EOD for a few months (depending on compounds/esters you're cycling) before dropping to just the HCG for 3 weeks and then starting your serm therapy.

4) I would argue if one was picking only one serm to use my preference would be clomiphene.

5) you are shutdown period.
The impact from a couple shots of deca 4 months ago is of no further concern to the bigger picture.

Remmeber this is going to take time, like potentially 3-24 months before you see the full extent of your recovery and no I have no answer to how long yours will be and the extent to which you will recover irrelevant of the information you provide as it's all highly individual and genetic response to gonadotropin mimetics, SERMs, hpta suppression, duration, other lifestyle factors, age, the robustness of your hypothalamus, pituitary and testicles etc etc etc the list just goes on and on and no one can give you any kind of answer worth listening to. It's just suck it and see unfortunately.

Patience is key as is not hyper focusing, just do what you need to do and get on with your life with periodic bloods and remember not all negative feelings are associated with your hormones.

Best of luck.

 

Sorry to bring up an old thread but it still seems like the best source.

 

Sorry to bring up an old thread but it still seems like the best source of information, very helpful read.


I'm looking to do my first (in 10+) years cycle, basic 15 weeks on Test E using Arimidex EOD,HCG twice a week and the PCT you've suggsted.


The only hitch is I'm away during week 10 - so would miss a week of HCG. I can still my 1000iu week 9 and 11, but don't fancy taking it on a plane!



Should I be overly concerned about a week off HCG?

 

Would the amount of test your taking weekly make a difference to how much HCG you take from the start of a cycle?