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#1 · (Edited)
In bold is the crucial information although i advise reading entire post

This has been done and stickied before but I get asked on a near enough daily basis by those planning their first cycle or more worryingly those who have already started their first cycle "what should i do for pct?" or "does this PCT look ok?"

so without further ado i'll try to keep things short n sweet

the cycle itself is what's shutting you down so where better to start than to do our best to minimize suppresion

HCG 500iu pinned on mondays and thursday (1000iu per week total) from your first shot of gear until 3 days prior to starting clomid

video on preparing your hcg which must be stored in the fridge once mixed:

oestrogen is far more suppresive than testosterone yet many will preach to only use an aromatase inhibitor if you start getting itchy nipples (signs of gyno) this is a ridiculous indicator of when to use an AI imo as high oestrogen doesnt always present in the form of gyno and if allowed to run rampant will definitely make recovery that much harder not to mention all the other health risks associated with elevated oestrogen

you should use an AI from day one of your cycle, preferably aromasin as it has little effects on lipids unlike arimidex and letrozole plus it's a suicide inhibitor so there is much less risk of rebound

I generally advise people to run either 12.5mg aromasin or 0.5mg arimidex ED from the start of their cycle and adjust from there, the chances of driving oestrogen too low whilst on 5 times the normal amount of test that a male produces is relatively slim as the body likes to maintain homoeostasis between oestrogen and testosterone, test rises = oestrogen rises
*Please note first time steroid users who do not understand how their body responds to steroids and aromatase inhibitors it is a lot easier to rectify mistakes with anastrazole (arimidex) than it is exemestane (aromasin)

if you push your e2 too low with anastrazole you can rebound it back up fairly quickly and adjust as needed, with exemestane you get no such privilege and you can end up spending a long time waiting for your e2 to rise again which will have a negative impact on lipid profile, joint integrity, mental health, libido and overall gains*


here's a good guide for how to gauge where abouts your oestrogen is - http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums/steroid-articles/59096-estrogen-handbook
ideally we'd all be getting bloods done but if you've overlooked PCT then id be surprised if blood tests were high on your list of priorities

here is a rough guide of the start times for PCT after your final shot:

"Below you'll find starting times for your PCT based on the active life of each compound. The active life is the duration of time it takes for the exogenous hormone to be absorbed, utilized, and expelled; no longer being bioavailable. Keep in mind that active life is an approximation which is dependant on dose, ester, as well as the individuals metabolization of the compound ; but for the moderate user, these are as close to precise as you'll find.

Anadrol /Anapolan: 24 hours after last administration
Deca : 21 days after last injection
Dianabol : 24 hours after last administration
Equipoise : 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 14 days after last injection
Sustanon : 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate : 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate : 14 days after last injection
Testosterone Propionate : 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension : 24 hours after last administration
Winstrol : 24 hours after last administration"

the above chart has loose estimates at best as it doesn't take into consideration how long you've been on or what dosages you've used but assuming you've ran test enth at 500mg every week for 12-15 weeks id advise leaving at least 21 days after your final shot before starting PCT

during this time you continue to run your HCG at 500iu twice per week until the last 3 days prior to starting PCT when you cease HCG usage

you then run

Clomid 100/100/50/50
4 weeks total

Nolva 20/20/20/20/20/20 6 weeks total

Aromasin 12.5 EOD
3 doses total

/100/ represents 100mg ED for a week

OTC supplements that assist in PCT -

Vitamin d3 5000iu
Vitamin c 500mg twice a day AM/PM (1000mg total)

mix up 30 grams of EAA powder in a litre bottle of water and drink throughout the day in between meals, do this every day for the duration of your pct and also sip a EAA drink during training

and if you havnt already been using it on cycle now would be a good time to start using creatine

during pct your body will happily dispose of all that hard earned muscle if you don't make the environment perfect for it to justify holding onto it, do this by keeping intensity high but sessions slightly shorter, train no more than 4 days per week ideally 3 with a days rest in between each session, drop cardio for the duration of pct, eat in a very slight surplus, keep your protein high and get plenty of sleep (ideally sleep without setting an alarm and wake up naturally)


Dave Crosland's take on PCT -

Dr Michael Scally radio talk - Blue Collar Radio with Shelby Starnes & John Meadows (01/31/14) This week John and Shelby talk to Michael Scally, an expert on anabolic steroid side effects.

if you are are unsure on how to run your first cycle (dosages, compounds, timing ect) then please see my "first steroid cycle... it's not that difficult" thread -

https://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/topic/266807-first-steroid-cycle-its-not-that-difficult/?do=embed
 
#122 ·
i dont know, but seems like hes being different for the sake of being different

HCG does mimic LH which keeps the balls plump and functioning to some extent on that end of the axis

why would you want your balls to atrophy so that not only do you need to kick start the pituitary but also the testicles and wait for them to fill out again all the while theyre under producing testosterone not due to lack of signalling but due to the fact theyre still recovering in their own right

you can either listen to him or the 90% of other HCG advocates that base most of their advice off of TRT doctors

and just lol at the term parroting, unless you are the doctor behind the research you are parroting

parroting useless advice is one thing but if its scientifically backed data then by all means parrot what's correct, that's how information is passed along by those that dont have the time, money, resources or intelligence to conduct broad studies
 
#121 ·
you should use an AI from day one of your cycle, preferably aromasin as it has little effects on lipids unlike arimidex and letrozole plus it's a suicide inhibitor so there is much less risk of rebound
I generally advise people to run either 12.5mg aromasin or 0.5mg arimidex ED from the start of their cycle and adjust from there, the chances of driving oestrogen too low whilst on 5 times the normal amount of test that a male produces is relatively slim as the body likes to maintain homoeostasis between oestrogen and testosterone, test rises = oestrogen rises
*Please note first time steroid users who do not understand how their body responds to steroids and aromatase inhibitors it is a lot easier to rectify mistakes with anastrazole (arimidex) than it is exemestane (aromasin)

if you push your e2 too low with anastrazole you can rebound it back up fairly quickly and adjust as needed, with exemestane you get no such privilege and you can end up spending a long time waiting for your e2 to rise again which will have a negative impact on lipid profile, joint integrity, mental health, libido and overall gains*
Very informative post, well put together.

If I may ask a couple of questions. You say that aromasin is preferable as it has little effects on lipids unlike arimadex however then go on to say it is easier to correct mistakes with anastraole (arimadex). Pros and cons I guess but would you then say it is the safer choice for someone with little experience of these compounds to stick to the Arimadex as it is easier to correct even though it will have a greater effect on lipids. Maybe a difficult one to answer as I understand that everyone will react differently.

Am I correct in thinking that if bloods are taken say 3 or 4 weeks into a cycle then the AI could be adjusted accordingly. I have read a few posts on people worrying about dosing too highly on the AI but like you say the chances of driving oestrogen too low is slim.
 
#123 · (Edited by Moderator)
Very informative post, well put together.

If I may ask a couple of questions. You say that aromasin is preferable as it has little effects on lipids unlike arimadex however then go on to say it is easier to correct mistakes with anastraole (arimadex). Pros and cons I guess but would you then say it is the safer choice for someone with little experience of these compounds to stick to the Arimadex as it is easier to correct even though it will have a greater effect on lipids. Maybe a difficult one to answer as I understand that everyone will react differently.

Am I correct in thinking that if bloods are taken say 3 or 4 weeks into a cycle then the AI could be adjusted accordingly. I have read a few posts on people worrying about dosing too highly on the AI but like you say the chances of driving oestrogen too low is slim.
i advise arimidex because you are able to rebound oestrogen back up if you drive it too low, it takes time with aromasin due to it binding directly to the aromatase enzyme and deactivating it permanently making it so that you have to wait for the body to convert more testosterone

by your second cycle youll have an understanding of how much AI you need for X amount of test

have a read of this

https://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/topic/267454-controlling-e2-its-actually-a-little-difficult/?do=embed

4 weeks in is ample time to allow an accurate reading of your oestrogen levels providing you wont be changing any dosages or adding any aromatizing compounds in later on in the cycle
 
#131 · (Edited by Moderator)
I just finished up my first cycle of 500mg test cyp per week 1-12 and 40 mg Anavar ED weeks 9-12. I am pretty sensitive to Adex I guess as I felt like crap at 1mg EOD so I stopped taking it for a while. My estradiol got pretty high (did blood work), my only symptoms were tender nips. I finally settled in at .25 MG ED and that seemed to work as E came back within normal range. I've been taking 500iu HCG for the last 4 weeks (last test jab was this morning) and I have 5000iu HCG on hand and another 15000 on the way. Plenty of Clomid and Nolva. My natty test was 917 before cycle and I'm in my 50s. I've read so many conflicting approaches to PCT I admit to some confusion.

Since I only took HCG for the last four weeks should I blast in two or three weeks before I start Clomid and Nolva? I have Aromisin on the way...it and the 15000iu of HCG should be here in a couple of weeks.

Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
 
#132 · (Edited by Moderator)
I generally advise people to run either 12.5mg aromasin or 0.5mg arimidex ED from the start of their cycle and adjust from there-

-continue to run your HCG at 500iu twice per week until the last 3 days prior to starting PCT when you cease HCG usage

you then run

Clomid 100/100/100/50/50 5 weeks total

Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20/20 7 weeks total

Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5/ followed by 12.5 EOD 5 weeks total

/100/ represents 100mg ED for a week
Thanks for all the information! I've just got a few questions.

I'm about to do my first cycle following the information your 'First Cycle' Thread, so I'll be using 0.5mg Arimidex for my AI.

I was wondering whether I should replace the above:
'Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5/ followed by 12.5 EOD 5 weeks total' with Arimidex for 6 weeks (I read on another post that you should do 6 weeks of AI in PCT unless it's Aromasin).

I'm thinking something like:
'Arimidex 0.5/0.5/0.5/0.25/0.25 followed by 0.25 EOD 6 weeks total' or maybe swap out another week of 0.25 for a 0.5.. something along them lines?

Also..

I can't get hold of Aromasin. Can I substitute with Arimidex? If so, in what quantities?
Yes it's fine

Aromasin to arimidex roughly converts tab to tab

So 25mg / 1mg aromasin / arimidex
So is this taking into account the first cycle advice? I'm confused because I know that during a cycle, the Oestrogen production is upped, and so we take the 0.5mg Arimidex/12.5mg Aromasin throughout the cycle to keep this in check. But then after then starting our PTC (when I'm assuming if anything the Oestrogen production starts to slow down again) we then up the 0.5mg Arimidex/12.5mg Aromasin to:

'Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5/ followed by 12.5 EOD 5 weeks total' - 12.5mg Aromasin through the cycle, jumping up to 25mg at the start of PCT.
'Arimidex 1/1/1/0.5/0.5 followed by 0.5 EOD 6 weeks total' - 0.5mg Arimidex through the cycle, jumping up to 1mg at the start of PCT.

Double the dosage in PCT than in the Cycle itself :p ?

Sorry for the essay here haha it's just with this being my first cycle, I'm trying to get as knowledgeable as I can before starting anything.

Thanks in advance!
 
#133 ·
Thanks for all the information! I've just got a few questions.

I'm about to do my first cycle following the information your 'First Cycle' Thread, so I'll be using 0.5mg Arimidex for my AI.

I was wondering whether I should replace the above:
'Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5/ followed by 12.5 EOD 5 weeks total' with Arimidex for 6 weeks (I read on another post that you should do 6 weeks of AI in PCT unless it's Aromasin).

I'm thinking something like:
'Arimidex 0.5/0.5/0.5/0.25/0.25 followed by 0.25 EOD 6 weeks total' or maybe swap out another week of 0.25 for a 0.5.. something along them lines?

Also..

So is this taking into account the first cycle advice? I'm confused because I know that during a cycle, the Oestrogen production is upped, and so we take the 0.5mg Arimidex/12.5mg Aromasin throughout the cycle to keep this in check. But then after then starting our PTC (when I'm assuming if anything the Oestrogen production starts to slow down again) we then up the 0.5mg Arimidex/12.5mg Aromasin to:

'Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5/ followed by 12.5 EOD 5 weeks total' - 12.5mg Aromasin through the cycle, jumping up to 25mg at the start of PCT.
'Arimidex 1/1/1/0.5/0.5 followed by 0.5 EOD 6 weeks total' - 0.5mg Arimidex through the cycle, jumping up to 1mg at the start of PCT.

Double the dosage in PCT than in the Cycle itself :p ?

Sorry for the essay here haha it's just with this being my first cycle, I'm trying to get as knowledgeable as I can before starting anything.

Thanks in advance!
I answered these questions earlier ITT

You base your oestrogen management off of your on cycle ai usage
 
#143 ·
Sorry 1 last question mate been googling the s**t out of this and can't seem to find a definite answer

is hcg eod or every 3day?

I have 10 boxes of hcg on route.

Plan is 2000iu eod for 16 days get bloods done few days before and if Test in range stop hcg and start clomid/tamox 3 days after... If Test isn't in range then keep going with hcg atleast another 5 shots or until Test is up!

And clomid dose is it 50mg for the 45 days? Some say 100 then drop to 50s
 
#144 ·
Sorry 1 last question mate been googling the s**t out of this and can't seem to find a definite answer

is hcg eod or every 3day?

I have 10 boxes of hcg on route.

Plan is 2000iu eod for 16 days get bloods done few days before and if Test in range stop hcg and start clomid/tamox 3 days after... If Test isn't in range then keep going with hcg atleast another 5 shots or until Test is up!

And clomid dose is it 50mg for the 45 days? Some say 100 then drop to 50s
2000iu eod for 20 days, 10 shots in total

3 days after last shot, start the serm therapy ITT
 
#155 ·
ok Mate cool will leave it till fully off all!

Is it just a testosterone blood test I need when on hcg to make sure it's working before I switch to serms?
no need for any tests on the HCG

it WILL mimic LH

if you get a testosterone test then you can see if your nuts are responding but id just wait till post PCT (6 weeks after) and then get all bloods taken: LH, FSH, test

are your nuts atrophied ?
 
#159 · (Edited by Moderator)
Just an update mate

so had my 7th hcg shot today.

Balls have filled right out. My libido is crazy!! Not felt this good in years! Really don't wana come off the hcg now lol. No ed problems totally the opposite for the 1st time in years I haven't needed to take cialis. Man I just feel good!

When I stop the hcg next week and switch to clomid if it all fails I think I may try hcg monotherapy , clomid monotherapy didn't Work for me so worth a shot saves me going on trt then. Didn't think I would feel this good by just taking hcg!

Only downside is I have gained 5lbs of fat in a week! Well maybe due to raised estrogen? Not sure but stomach feels abit bloated and I have been eating at maintenance strictly. Normally when I raise test levels my bf drops fast!

The question is! Why dose hcg Work for me but clomid didn't?
 
#161 · (Edited by Moderator)
My last testosterone was 8.4 that was before starting hcg so it's like the hcg hasn't raised my test much at all

its strange though as my libido was high for a few days about 4-5days ago but it is gone back down now

so everything I have tried none have got my test levels into normal range makes me wana fob this power Pct off and jab some test

i have also noticed my nipples have become really itchy the past few days like my e2 has shot up
 
#163 · (Edited by Moderator)
Right guys

did the power Pct I have just stopped clomid. Still have 2 weeks left on tamoxifen. I feel s**t! Have felt s**t since stopping the hcg. So looks like the power Pct didn't work for me as my test didn't hold once came off hcg. Man looks like only option now is trt?

The 1st week on hcg my libido was sky high then declined the week after. Then killed off when started clomid.

I may give hcg mono a try 500iu 3x/wk see if saves me going the trt route?

@swole troll

@charlysays
 
#164 ·
Right guys

did the power Pct I have just stopped clomid. Still have 2 weeks left on tamoxifen. I feel s**t! Have felt s**t since stopping the hcg. So looks like the power Pct didn't work for me as my test didn't hold once came off hcg. Man looks like only option now is trt?

The 1st week on hcg my libido was sky high then declined the week after. Then killed off when started clomid.

I may give hcg mono a try 500iu 3x/wk see if saves me going the trt route?

@swole troll

@charlysays
see it though

wait 6 weeks after your last tamoixfen tab

and then get blood work done (test, LH, FSH)
 
#166 ·
Could you please advise what I could do following a bad cycle/poor recovery, I have had low libido (Poor Erections, Lack Of Sex Drive). I have used natty boosters since with not much success and also Cialis which has helped erections. I am struggling for reliable advice on the next course of action, I have been told varying things like to run fast acting for 3-6 weeks the transition onto another PCT, blast Another PCT, Power PCT.

Cycle

2 x weekly (Masterone 75mg, Enthanate 175mg, Tren 50mg) Weekes 1 -10

50mg VAR weeks 1-6

PCT 2 Weeks after last pin

Armidex 1mg EOD week 1

Clomid 100/50/50/50

Tamoxifen 40/20/20

End Of PCT was August 2017

Bloods Attached 6 weeks after cycle

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@swole troll
 

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#167 ·
Could you please advise what I could do following a bad cycle/poor recovery, I have had low libido (Poor Erections, Lack Of Sex Drive). I have used natty boosters since with not much success and also Cialis which has helped erections. I am struggling for reliable advice on the next course of action, I have been told varying things like to run fast acting for 3-6 weeks the transition onto another PCT, blast Another PCT, Power PCT.

Cycle

2 x weekly (Masterone 75mg, Enthanate 175mg, Tren 50mg) Weekes 1 -10

50mg VAR weeks 1-6

PCT 2 Weeks after last pin

Armidex 1mg EOD week 1

Clomid 100/50/50/50

Tamoxifen 40/20/20

End Of PCT was August 2017

Bloods Attached 6 weeks after cycle

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@swole troll
you just need to wait

you have responded to the PCT that you ran

stop taking test boosters

take vitamin D at 5000iu ED and get plenty of sleep
 
#170 ·
In bold is the crucial information although i advise reading entire post

This has been done and stickied before by far more knowledgeable posters than I but even so i get asked on a near enough daily basis by those planning their first cycle or more worryingly those who have already started their first cycle "what should i do for pct?" or "does this PCT look ok?"

so without further ado i'll try to keep things short n sweet

the cycle itself is what's shutting you down so where better to start than to do our best to minimize suppresion

HCG 500iu pinned on mondays and thursday (1000iu per week total) from your first shot of gear until 3 days prior to starting clomid

video on preparing your hcg which must be stored in the fridge once mixed:

oestrogen is far more suppresive than testosterone yet many will preach to only use an aromatase inhibitor if you start getting itchy nipples (signs of gyno) this is a ridiculous indicator of when to use an AI imo as high oestrogen doesnt always present in the form of gyno and if allowed to run rampant will definitely make recovery that much harder not to mention all the other health risks associated with elevated oestrogen

you should use an AI from day one of your cycle, preferably aromasin as it has little effects on lipids unlike arimidex and letrozole plus it's a suicide inhibitor so there is much less risk of rebound

I generally advise people to run either 12.5mg aromasin or 0.5mg arimidex ED from the start of their cycle and adjust from there, the chances of driving oestrogen too low whilst on 5 times the normal amount of test that a male produces is relatively slim as the body likes to maintain homoeostasis between oestrogen and testosterone, test rises = oestrogen rises
*Please note first time steroid users who do not understand how their body responds to steroids and aromatase inhibitors it is a lot easier to rectify mistakes with anastrazole (arimidex) than it is exemestane (aromasin)

if you push your e2 too low with anastrazole you can rebound it back up fairly quickly and adjust as needed, with exemestane you get no such privilege and you can end up spending a long time waiting for your e2 to rise again which will have a negative impact on lipid profile, joint integrity, mental health, libido and overall gains*


here's a good guide for how to gauge where abouts your oestrogen is - http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums/steroid-articles/59096-estrogen-handbook
ideally we'd all be getting bloods done but if you've overlooked PCT then id be surprised if blood tests were high on your list of priorities

here is a rough guide of the start times for PCT after your final shot:

"Below you'll find starting times for your PCT based on the active life of each compound. The active life is the duration of time it takes for the exogenous hormone to be absorbed, utilized, and expelled; no longer being bioavailable. Keep in mind that active life is an approximation which is dependant on dose, ester, as well as the individuals metabolization of the compound ; but for the moderate user, these are as close to precise as you'll find.

Anadrol /Anapolan: 24 hours after last administration
Deca : 21 days after last injection
Dianabol : 24 hours after last administration
Equipoise : 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 14 days after last injection
Sustanon : 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate : 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate : 14 days after last injection
Testosterone Propionate : 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension : 24 hours after last administration
Winstrol : 24 hours after last administration"

the above chart has loose estimates at best as it doesn't take into consideration how long you've been on or what dosages you've used but assuming you've ran test enth at 500mg every week for 12-15 weeks id advise leaving 21 days after your final shot before starting PCT

during this time you continue to run your HCG at 500iu twice per week until the last 3 days prior to starting PCT when you cease HCG usage

you then run

Clomid 100/100/100/50/50 5 weeks total

Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20/20 7 weeks total

Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5/ followed by 12.5 EOD 5 weeks total

/100/ represents 100mg ED for a week

OTC supplements that assist in PCT -

Vitamin d3 5000iu
Vitamin c 500mg twice a day AM/PM (1000mg total)

mix up 50 grams of BCAA powder in a litre bottle of water and drink throughout the day in between meals, do this every day for the duration of your pct and also sip a BCAA drink during training

and if you havnt already been using it on cycle now would be a good time to start using creatine

during pct your body will happily dispose of all that hard earned muscle if you don't make the environment perfect for it to justify holding onto it, do this by keeping intensity high but sessions slightly shorter, train no more than 4 days per week ideally 3 with a days rest in between each session, drop cardio for the duration of pct, eat in a very slight surplus, keep your protein high and get plenty of sleep (ideally sleep without setting an alarm and wake up naturally)

Dave Crosland's take on PCT -

Dr Michael Scally radio talk - http://www.rxmuscle.com/2013-01-11-01-57-36/blue-collar-muscle/10119-blue-collar-radio-with-shelby-starnes-john-meadows-01-31-14-this-week-john-and-shelby-talk-to-michael-scally-an-expert-on-anabolic-steroid-side-effects.html

if you are are unsure on how to run your first cycle (dosages, compounds, timing ect) then please see my "first steroid cycle... it's not that difficult" thread -

https://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/topic/266807-first-steroid-cycle-its-not-that-difficult/?do=embed
in my opinion ...too long PCT. I personally like to run HCG on cycle, perhaps that helps but I'm 42 and in the (recent) past I have recovered OK with a 30 days PCT, first ten days Clomid and Nolva at 100mg and 40mg, the the remaining 20 days 50mg and 20mg each.

After that, I'd rather use some placebo or whatever test boosters herbal supplements but after 4 weeks of taking Clomid and Nolva I'd rather jump fro a bridge than staying on those for another two / three weeks! I'm only day 7 now and already feel like puking those crappy meds!
 
#172 · (Edited by Moderator)
Not sure why my t3 levels are low as well! I did take a little t3 for 2 weeks about 2 months ago though this is what they said?

You have normal thyroid stimulating hormone with low thyroxine. This may be an early sign of your thyroid becoming underactive, or it may be a temporary finding. I recommend repeating your thyroid check in 3-6 months to assess the trend.
 
#174 ·
Does the above info mean I am hypothyroidism?

As I have read that hypothyroidism causes low test! So maybe my low test is down to hypothyroidism?
your pituitary is signalling your balls to make testosterone with the LH which is within range, saying that at just 6 weeks this COULD (but probably not) still be the SERM's influencing numbers

but either way your test is still low

after 2 years its not looking great

at this point i would probably consider visiting your GP and getting referral to an endocrinologist as TRT may be the best route but either way this will be handled professionally from this point moving on

youve seemingly exhausted the self help approach

there are things like HMG inclusion to PCT but its icing at best, youve thrown a few hefty PCT's at this and still your results show signs of hypogonadism, id be inclined to say primary as rare as it is from AAS abuse, also your FSH is low so it could still just be an issue with the hypothalamus or pituitary

i personally would be visiting the GP with your blood work assuming you dont want to self medicate (any plans to cycle in future i would self admin trt)

you dont need to tell them why its like this just complain of low T sides and you decided to get it privately checked
 
#182 ·
@swole troll

After some advice. Just finished my 10th week of Test E 500 P/W and i'm on the fence whether to call my last jab the final one.

Ive trained hard and eaten well the entire cycle however I have a cousins Stag Do in a week and a half which it will be basically impossible and suspicious if I don't partake in the drinking side of things (3 nights). My last pin was 4 days ago and I leave in 9days.. I'm keen to finish the cycle as the last few weeks acne has flared up however i;m not sure if allowing my test levels to substantially drop due to coming off cycle, then drinking and raising my E2 will be be horrendous for a successful PCT.. or am I better off say extending my course another week so I'm still benefiting from the exogenous test during the stag do? Both bad options but Its the situation I find myself in.

It's an awkward situation as it would be seen as highly unusual if go T Total, obviously ideally no drinking at all would be the right thing to do.

Also how long do I run my Arimidex following my last jab? I've been taking .5mg EOD during cycle, I also have my CLomid and Nolva to hand for my PCT.
 
#183 ·
@swole troll

After some advice. Just finished my 10th week of Test E 500 P/W and i'm on the fence whether to call my last jab the final one.

Ive trained hard and eaten well the entire cycle however I have a cousins Stag Do in a week and a half which it will be basically impossible and suspicious if I don't partake in the drinking side of things (3 nights). My last pin was 4 days ago and I leave in 9days.. I'm keen to finish the cycle as the last few weeks acne has flared up however i;m not sure if allowing my test levels to substantially drop due to coming off cycle, then drinking and raising my E2 will be be horrendous for a successful PCT.. or am I better off say extending my course another week so I'm still benefiting from the exogenous test during the stag do? Both bad options but Its the situation I find myself in.

It's an awkward situation as it would be seen as highly unusual if go T Total, obviously ideally no drinking at all would be the right thing to do.

Also how long do I run my Arimidex following my last jab? I've been taking .5mg EOD during cycle, I also have my CLomid and Nolva to hand for my PCT.
assuming youre pinning once weekly, pin 250mg in 3 days time and then start PCT 14 days after that

run your adex until you start your PCT, im a fan of a low dose of AI during PCT as this will lower any potential elevated E2 levels as well as allow the serms to deal with the smaller amount from reaching the hypothalamus which is why we take serms

ive always ran same dose AI about 0.5mg EOD but you need to tailor it and assess how its treating you during PCT
this isnt a must and if you want to keep it brutally simple then just run the AI until you start taking your serms