That's quite dramatic. I would of speculate it was mast not primo had it not been from pharmacom

 

My thoughts too however jp says primo crushes his e2. I have loads of promo there this is good information

 

Below are the results... So testosterone totally acceptable levels while E2 has been crushed...

Totally acceptable? I am confused. 250mg of Sust a week and your Test level is 23.6?

Bin it.

 

My test levels just came back at 29 on 120mgs a week Nexus.

Seems like you have severely underdosed Test

 

Do you mean 250mg sust a week or 180mg every 5 days!? i'm confused either way your test should be way higher, as stated above 120mg would put most people around 26-32nmol i know everyone metabolizes gear differently but thats underdosed if what your saying is true!

 

This is perfectly normal for Primo, see my old posts bloods came back with similar figures.

 

I would personally expect a higher test level on 250mg of sus a week, however sus is typical made up of several esters mixed as a compound, perhaps one of these has been under dosed? Or due to the release half life time certain esters were eliminated before the test and not showing.

If memory serves, 3 of the 4 compounds making up sus have a half life of only 3 days, with the other (deaconate i think) having a half life of 5.

 

As others have said, your test level should be double that on 250mg of sustanon. Possibly fake Pharmacom???

 

Nothing new here, while it isn't widely documented, the general consensus among forums alike is that primo can act as an anti E much like proviron and masteron are said to be.

never the less thought i would share my experience. Sustanton and primo are all from Pharmacom labs and i have not been using an AI.

Up until the first week of Jan, i was just running approx 250mg sustanion each week with each shot being made every 5 days (180mg every 5 days). Testosterone levels come back as 25nmol/L and e2 110pmol/L. blood was drawn 4 days after last injection.

Since first week of Jan i added 200mg each week of primo, (140mg shot every 5 days along side the same sust dose as above).

Below are the results... So testosterone totally acceptable levels while E2 has been crushed...

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Im going to up the testosterone to 270mg every 5 days (so around 380mg per week) while keeping primo the same... in 3 weeks time i will draw bloods the same 4 days post injection.

From your testosterone levels they don’t look good. If I inject 125 mg sustanon my test levels will be 37nmol if my bloods are drawn the following day. Obviously we have to take into consideration the short esters and half lives but your sustanon looks like it’s underdosed unless your trying to bash the lab or it’s genuinely underdosed. I get my bloods done 3-4 times a year and have done by medichecks for 4 years now and they have never been inconsistent apart from my prostate markers.

 

He’s jabbing 180mg e5d which equates to 252mg per week

Yes everyone reacts differently, but not by that much ffs

250mg a week and still well within natty range? Should be at least double his result

 

I can confirm that Primo crushes Estrogen - I have posted bloods here previously.

However, your test is underdosed to shit! You should not be middle of the road on that dose, and if you are running HCG then its completely bunk too. I have very similar blood panel on Rohm Cyp and Primo last year.

I second what DarkKnight and Gavzilla saying here they is spot on. That sust is bunkel my friend

 

The isocaproate ester in sustanon has a half life of about 9 days. The phenylpropionate ester has a half life if 4.5 days. I wouldn't consider these short.
The decanoate ester has a half life of 15 days - this is considerably longer than enanthate which decays at 10 days, and very similar to nebido, which only requires a once a month administration. Something to remember when beginning PCT.

I would say you have one short acting ester, one mid range ester, and two long esters in sustanon. Have you done a blood test from a venous draw?

 

The isocaproate ester in sustanon has a half life of about 9 days. The phenylpropionate ester has a half life if 4.5 days. I wouldn't consider these short.
The decanoate ester has a half life of 15 days - this is considerably longer than enanthate which decays at 10 days, and very similar to nebido, which only requires a once a month administration. Something to remember when beginning PCT.

I would say you have one short acting ester, one mid range ester, and two long esters in sustanon. Have you done a blood test from a venous draw?

Shit, i stand corrected, i thought the only long ester in sust was decanoate.

As i said, i have upped the dose and i will pull bloods 48 hours some post injection sometime next week to see where we are for comparison to a 4 day post injection draw.

This blood sample was taken via finger prick not venous draw... i would prefer the latter method but the cost plus the travel is a PITA so finger prick is a much more convenient method, albeit, i know a lot on here question the accuracy of this method.

Actually this makes sense and I realised a few cycles ago that sust needs to be injected twice a week. I’ve always gained more from test enth over the years because of its steady ester. However the blood work still looks low. I could be wrong as I have not personally experimented blood work to prove what your saying with half life’s and look at numbers.

Yes mate, to be clear, i am not saying there aren't issues with the dosing, it may or may not be correct but for the sake of this 1 vial a few others i have knocking about i am not going to send it off to Jano. clearly there is testosterone in it, and to be fair enough to get my by for what i need at the moment.

Like you i have never had issues like this with their test e (which i have a large stash of), for this kind of dose i am using of sust, i would expect a T reading of around 50nmol/L 4 days post injection.

Never the less, for the exact reason you said yourself, I'm going to stick with Test E moving forward.

 

It doesn’t matter that sus has 4 esters, it’s a TRT drug and once you’ve been using it a month or 2 your levels will have stabilised. Sus was designed to have short medium and long esters in it for this precise reason (the amount of prop in it is negligible so isn’t going to cause a big peak/trough). Your bloods are half what they should be numbers wise - massively underdosed gear IMO (very unlike Pharmacom).

 

As I said earlier in the thread. Your results are about half what they should be.

But I’ve just seen your sample wasn’t venous.
Finger prick bloods aren’t accurate enough in my opinion. So may not actually be under dosed. Pharmacom are usually pretty solid as they get randomly tested to Fook