Is this test cycle 'hair safe'?

GainzCentral · May 2, 2014

Hi everyone,

I am looking to do my first test cycle this summer. The aim of this cycle is to do a recomp, gaining 5-10lbs of quality muscle and losing about 3-5% body fat. My big concern is hair loss. I have a thick hear of hair but with a norwood 1.5 hairline and my dad is completely bald so I am prone to MPB. I am permanently on Propecia to prevent any further loss. My plan would be to switch to Avodart (dutasteride) for the duration of the cycle, as another member on here pointed out that dutasteride blocks about 95% DHT while finasteride only blocks roughly 70%. So mathematically if I were taking exogenous test at 3x my natural level then with dutasteride I would only produce about 15% of the DHT I would produce if not on hair meds or steroids, while if taking finasteride I would produce 90%, so rougly the same as if I weren't taking gear or hair meds. This logic might be way off though, so hopefully someone can correct it if I am wrong. If it is right though, how would I make the switch from fina to duta? Would I just stop taking fina about 2 weeks before cycle and switch immediately to duta?

Here are my stats:

6' 3"

190lbs

23

12% body fat

Training for 3-4 years

Here is my planned cycle:

Weeks -2 - 20 Avodart 0.5mg ed

Weeks 1 - 12 Fuerza Test Enanthate 300-500mg pw

Weeks 1 - 4 Turinabol 75mg ed (might not include this)

Weeks 1 - 12 Arimidex 0.5mg eod

Weeks 14 - 18 Nolva 40/40/20/20

Weeks 14 - 18 Clomid 100/100/50/50

Weeks ? - ? HCG 500iu pw

Not completely sure how to run HCG because there's a lot of conflicting info out there, some say run it right up to PCT while others say stop it at the same time as stopping the test so hopefully someone can give me advice on that one. Not sure about whether or not to include a kickstart, I have heard tbol is very hair safe and isn't a DHT derivative unlike anavar, but I am looking for anecdotal opinions on this. Also apparently tbol is often actually cheaper dbol which of course isn't at all hair safe...

Thanks

(ps, please no "you're going bald anyway just man up and shave it" type replies - some guys look good bald, I sure as hell would not.)

GainzCentral · May 2, 2014

bump :/

gearchange · May 2, 2014

Truth of the matter is if you use aas you take the risk mate..No matter what scientific approach you're going for,also the use of pct drugs can have an affect.

Some are safer than others but no guarantees are given when you mess around with your hormonal balance.

Guest · May 2, 2014

GainzCentral said:
bump :/

Yes there is a lot of conflicting info out there about HCG but luckily for you I've read most of it. It's cheap, easily prepared and injected and stops your balls from going north on cycle.

1000iu per week 2x 500iu with a slin pin needle SQ. Right up to the week you start PCT. Also read this then decide. http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/542816-hcg-why-you-should-use-cycle-only-how-prepare-your-hcg-injections.html

Adex, don't use until you start to have itchy or sore nips.

As a first cycle keep it simple and safe. 500mg test per week split into 2 injections every 3.5 days.

Week 2-3 libido up

Week 4-5 start to see strength and size gains

iamyou · May 2, 2014

Fluctuations with propercia doses cause sudden shedding in my experience. Same way starting/stopping tren or other strong AAS do for me.

GainzCentral · May 2, 2014

iamyou said:
Fluctuations with propercia doses cause sudden shedding in my experience. Same way starting/stopping tren or other strong AAS do for me.

Do you find Propecia effective against moderate doses of test in your experience or do you still get shedding?

fastcar_uk · May 2, 2014

what the hell is a " norwood 1.5 hairline ?"

like a bobby Charlton comb over?

serious though if mpb runs on your side of the family, your goosed mate..end of.

Love2DL · May 2, 2014

GainzCentral said:
Do you find Propecia effective against moderate doses of test in your experience or do you still get shedding?

It depends on your sensitivity to DHT mate, everybody is different. Did you experience much shedding when you started Finasteride?

GainzCentral · May 2, 2014

Not really but it does seem to have slowed my hair loss

Love2DL · May 2, 2014

GainzCentral said:
Not really but it does seem to have slowed my hair loss

You're lucky then. As iamyou said, the fluctuation of DHT levels when starting Fina or upping your dose causes shedding in a lot of people. They are very sensitive to changes in DHT. The fact that you aren't means you are not likely to see much loss if any while on a cycle of test. Feel free to blast at 500mg/wk.

There are two kinds of DHT. Type 2 is said to act on the hair follicles and makes up 70% of total DHT. Finasteride blocks most of this successfully so I'm not sure that Duta will offer any additional benefit.

@SK50 is very clued up on this area.

geeby112 · May 3, 2014

Test will shed hair only if your prone. I'd just stop fina and jump

On dust when you can, better to be safe. Also use nizoral to wash few times a week.

Id carry on using dust months after as many experience hair loss AFTER the cycle.

Good luck.

SK50 · May 3, 2014

Your maths are roughly correct for a *** packet calculation - although in practice it doesn't work on strict percentages, dutasteride is certainly stronger.

If you are losing hair on natural DHT levels and need finasteride to keep you at a NW1 then you may either need to increase the finasteride dosage or change to dutasteride (which as you say will inhibit around 90% of DHT conversion).

Are you using nizoral and minoxodil? Nizoral seems quite effective at preventing AAS induced alopecia - especially in combination with DHT inhibition. Minox helped me regrow my temple hair even while on low dosage test with finasteride.

Personally I'd stick with finasteride and 'upgrade' to dutasteride if needs be (keep it on hand) -- you can run them concomitantly for a while while you switch over.

Dutasteride may also have the benefit of preventing acne as it inhibits both types of DHT and not just the hair loss one.

SK50 · May 3, 2014

BTW, my own strategy is 0.5mg dutasteride E3D on anything above 250mg test.

But, I do not get hair loss on natural test, so I am probably not as prone as you are.

mr small · May 3, 2014

Why not just shave your head and don't worry about it ?

Buzzz_ · May 3, 2014

If it's the recent fuerza stuff then you'll be fine because it's unlikely to have any test in it or severely underdosed (from personal experience). Sorry

Simspin · May 3, 2014

shave sum of the new hair you will grow on your back off

glue that on no one will ever know

GainzCentral · May 3, 2014

Simspin said:
shave sum of the new hair you will grow on your back off

glue that on no one will ever know

LOL there is always that...

GainzCentral · May 3, 2014

cooltt said:
Yes there is a lot of conflicting info out there about HCG but luckily for you I've read most of it. It's cheap, easily prepared and injected and stops your balls from going north on cycle.

1000iu per week 2x 500iu with a slin pin needle SQ. Right up to the week you start PCT. Also read this then decide. http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/542816-hcg-why-you-should-use-cycle-only-how-prepare-your-hcg-injections.html

Adex, don't use until you start to have itchy or sore nips.

As a first cycle keep it simple and safe. 500mg test per week split into 2 injections every 3.5 days.

Week 2-3 libido up

Week 4-5 start to see strength and size gains

Thanks mate, very useful advice

so I'll do weeks 1 - 14 HCG 1000iu pw. I should probably have some Arimidex on hand tho anyway right?

andyhuggins · May 3, 2014

If you roll the dice. Then you will have to suffer the outcome.

Is this test cycle 'hair safe'?

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