Hey dude, I don't know if you have done too much research on the stuff, but here are few pieces of advice....

First off, yeah you are going to need HCG, well not need but it would certainly help you recover your testes from shutdown....but heres the thing, if you want to have any sexual function at all you are going to have to fun a test with that, any of the esters will do as they will simulate natural testosterone in your body, you will most definitly go through complete shutdown post cycle though. You can take precautions such as HCG like you suggested, or run things like Proviron, Arimidex, Nolvadex or the less popular choice nowadays, clomid, good luck with your cycle mate, ask if you need any more advice

 

Deca on its own for 10 weeks, actually i wouldnt run it on its at all. If your gonna be ok injecting Deca for a 1st cycle, then why not get some sust or enanth and just put that and the deca into one shot, once a week.

I think that would be enough for a first cycle, or if you wanted to run the orals as well, go for a 3 or 4 week front load, just to get you started, make sure you have your pct sorted as well before you start and have the nolvadex on hand to rub either every day or every other day if required.

Or if you werent set on an injectable first course, you could run just Dbol at say 30mg or 40mg per day for 6 weeks and see how you get on with that.

Why dont you post up, how long youve been training and what your diets like, what kind of split do you train to , if you do a split routine, how old you are etc, all this will help you get the info you require.

Please keep in mind that gear will only benefit you if your diet, training and rest are all good.

 

as it as already been pointed out Deca is definatly not a good choice for a 1st cycle....

i personelly would go with 250mg of Sus or Enthanate for 8 weeks whilst using 500iu's of HCG every 5th day during the cycle from the end of week 3 to help stop the balls retiring into yur body...

then a PCT of either clomid or Nolvadex after the cycle...

 

well said Pscarb, i would agree with the test, Deca can be just nasty and you never know how your body is going to naturally react to gear....you might carry a high affinity to shut down in the first place, in which case Deca would cause your balls to turn in their badges and go off duty

 

Cheers for the advice guys.

I'm 24, 5'9", 14 and a half stone and have been training seriously for about 4 years. I have run oral cycles of dbol up to 40mg a day on 6 week cycles as well as winstrol and napalon-90 over the last year and a half with half decent results. I now want to move onto injectables to increase my gains and save bashing my liver, which i have been trying to assisst with milk thistle. I use only nolvadex as my pct but have never experienced any gyno probs.

I was thinking deca because i have been told that it is the safest and has the best gains:toxicity ratio. Guys at the gym reckon it should be the basis of every injectable cycle so I thought it would be a good place to start. What you guys are saying though is making me think not tho! I understood that HCG was preferable but not vital - is this right? Rosie - what do you mean by ' Deca can be just nasty'!!!! I was nervous about injecting before but now!!!

 

Oh yeah - bit of training and diet info....

After plateauing ondbol for a while, I've started trying some lower volume mentzer style Intense training just to try and kick start more growth and am finding it works better for me. I'm currently training 3 times weekly atm 1-chest and back, 2 - shoulders, Bi's and tri's, 3 Legs and core. I'm making sure i rest well also.

Diet wise, i feel i have been making the most of my cycles, getting in plenty of protein over 6 meals a day, taking whey shakes up to 2 a day (if I can stomach it!) and cycle my creatine and l-glut about every 3 months.

 

sorry guys - one more question!! If i'm adding test to the mixture what kind of deca:test ration would be better?

 

I totally take on board what you've said but I've been doing a bit more reading and someone here recommended www.steroid-tips.com. Here's what they say:

"Beginners Deca-Durabolin Cycle:

A common one steroid cycle for a novice would be to inject 200-400mg of Deca once per week for 8 weeks. When combined with a healthy high protein diet, a person can expect to put on a good amount of size and strength. The results a person gets are dependent on a few things like diet, exercise routine, and rest. A beginner should start with about 200mg/week, and no more than 400mg/week.

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Beginners Deca and Dbol Cycle

Another good beginners cycle is the deca and dbol cycle. Which would be 200-400mg of Deca-Durabolin once per week and about 15-25mg of Dianabol each day for about 6-8 weeks. It is a good idea to spread the dianabol out over the course of the day to allow more stable levels of the drug to enter the system (i.e. one 5mg tab every few hours during the day). "

Now i'm not disputing what you guys say - and i'd definately take you words over some website but this is what i mean about hearing conflicting information. Is the info i just quoted dated now or something?