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Do you think you'll come to regrets steroids

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#1 ·
Obviously we know the risks of taking gear or at least people should have knowledge of the risks before taking them. I'm 28 so fairly young and been taking steroids for about a year now. Do you think you'll regret your decision in later life to take gear and also to the older people who have took steroids all your life. Do you regret it? Personally I've weighed up the risks and training is a big part of my life so the risks feel like they're worth it to me but will I think that in 10-15 years ? Maybe. Maybe not. Love to hear your opinions?
 
#2 ·
Paul you'll blink and you'll 40, honest mate. It just seems like yesterday I was your age. Your 30s fly bye.

Most people spend there 30s calming down on the drinking, going out every weekend as you'll probably have some kids and it's just not worth it, they suck the life out of you, trust me.

I've trained since 19 years old and I'll still be training at 60. I'm sure at that point trt will be a part of my life, why would it not be.

For me being reckless with steriods at a young age is mental simply because you might not be training in 2 years let alone 10. If the damage is done and then un reversible your pinning forever just to feel like a man. In the same breath you could love training for the next 30 years and B&C is the best way to build and hold muscle and keep progressing imo, and ultimately you still end up on trt anyway so what's the difference.

I just think, what if I get sick of it, kids, or get injured and i can't then recover. No one has a crystal ball.
 
#7 ·
Paul you'll blink and you'll 40, honest mate. It just seems like yesterday I was your age. Your 30s fly bye.

Most people spend there 30s calming down on the drinking, going out every weekend as you'll probably have some kids and it's just not worth it, they suck the life out of you, trust me.

I've trained since 19 years old and I'll still be training at 60. I'm sure at that point trt will be a part of my life, why would it not be.

For me being reckless with steriods at a young age is mental simply because you might not be training in 2 years let alone 10. If the damage is done and then un reversible your pinning forever just to feel like a man. In the same breath you could love training for the next 30 years and B&C is the best way to build and hold muscle and keep progressing imo, and ultimately you still end up on trt anyway so what's the difference.

I just think, what if I get sick of it, kids, or get injured and i can't then recover. No one has a crystal ball.
I've done all the drinking and drugs and wreckless s**t when I was a bit younger. Got 2 kids now. A 2 year old and an 11 month old and I've not touched a recreational drug since my wife was pregnant with my 2 year old and I've only drank maybe 4 times in the last 3 year. When I come off drink and drugs I got more serious with training as something to focus on. Now I've experienced training on gear, I couldn't go back to training natty. Only time will tell me if I'll come to regret it but I'll do it in a sensible way as possible. The way you have approached gear seems like a very sustainable way to do it and a good way to minimize the risks
 
#3 ·
Yes, I think most will.

Somebody posted in another thread yesterday that people will have been taking steroids since the 1980's with no ill effects. That's bollocks tbf. I know dozens of people who have been taking steroids for that length of time and they all have had medical issues. In fact anyone who has been using for 5+ years will have had issues, they, generally, just won't admit to them.

The amount of people who take cialis is an obvious, if non serious, example. Those that do have blood tests every 6 months or so just have a basic test. There can be many underlying issues.

If steroids do not affect your health you would be able to stop completely and suffer no ill effects, but how many people could genuinely say that they could do this?

Use steroids by all means but if someone says they have to take them to enjoy, or to make training worthwhile they need to have a good long think about the logic behind that statement.

All my opinion of course.
 
#6 ·
Yes, I think most will.

Somebody posted in another thread yesterday that people will have been taking steroids since the 1980's with no ill effects. That's bollocks tbf. I know dozens of people who have been taking steroids for that length of time and they all have had medical issues. In fact anyone who has been using for 5+ years will have had issues, they, generally, just won't admit to them.

The amount of people who take cialis is an obvious, if non serious, example. Those that do have blood tests every 6 months or so just have a basic test. There can be many underlying issues.

If steroids do not affect your health you would be able to stop completely and suffer no ill effects, but how many people could genuinely say that they could do this?

Use steroids by all means but if someone says they have to take them to enjoy, or to make training worthwhile they need to have a good long think about the logic behind that statement.

All my opinion of course.
Tons of (young) guys these days with ED that never touched AAS.

Modern lifestyle/stress/environment is not conductive to boners lol.

Everyone inevitably gets health issues. Testosterone in therapeutic amounts actually protects against a lot of the common ones (diabetes, osteoporosis, heart disease, etc).

But sure blasting 2 grams of anything is obviously not smart in the long run.
 
#4 · (Edited by Moderator)
I know 2 blokes that have Died from steroid related complications.

One in particular was a severe enlargement of the heart after a decade of blasting and cruising. Doc apparently told him that heart was getting too big for his chest cavity. He didn't make it.

Has it put me off?

A tiny bit. But I also think you have to live your fu**ing life. And not hold back all the time.

So I'm taking the middle ground.

Doing 2 or 3 "safe" cycles with very modest test doses. Then I'm out.

I'm mid 30s so I've paid my dues at the gym and see this as a small reward to myself to pack on some size.

But seriously... I'm not staying on forever.

Seen too many people get hurt... or worse.

Do it right. Use it... Don't abuse it.

And know when it's time to get out of the game.

That's just my philosophy.

P. S. If you do more cruising (at low doses) than blasting, you'll probably be OK. At least you can limit damage that way. Get your cruise dose down to 125/wk if you are concerned about longevity.

It's these pillocks that cruise at 350mg/week that won't see their 60th birthday.

Everything in moderation.
 
#18 ·
One in particular was a severe enlargement of the heart after a decade of blasting and cruising. Doc apparently told him that heart was getting too big for his chest cavity. He didn't make it.
I'd love to know the full story on this. Don't mean to be rude to you or disrespectful to the chap who died, but there must have been something else amiss here. We know that steroid users can get an enlarged heart, but isn't it established that it's Athletic LVH, which is basically what a marathon runner who never touched gear would get? As in, perfectly benign and not going to kill you. This differs from LVH that people with heart failure have.

I ask because this is a concern for me - I hear these stories and my irrational/hypochondriac side thinks "that could be me, I've f**ked myself up, there's no way back" etc, whereas every time I've heard a story like this (and it's always "a friend of mine") there's missing details. Did he have any other conditions which could have contributed to this for example?

On the flip-side, we've seen countless examples of people who've done gear at stupid doses for decades and are fine. Dorian Yates mentions this in a podcast - eating McDonald's three time a day for a few weeks would give most doctors way more cause for concern.

 
#5 ·
Don't regret a single thing.

I have been injecting since the early 80s with regular bloods every 3-4months and a full MOT once a year which includes an ECG.

I have never boozed nor touched a recreational drug plus choosing this lifestyle has made me eat 10 times healthier than Joe Bloggs probably does.

I am not condoning steroid usage here, I am merely saying in moderation and not abusing anything in life, you should be ok.

Granted I am on TRT for life, Is it down to steroids?

Without a doubt but then again many of my friends who are my age look in dire need of TRT and they have never so much as looked at a vial of gear.

Danny
 
#11 ·
There will always be reasons for using. Some acceptable. Some not.

If you can't stop, or if you can't stop without it negatively affecting yourself, then it has impacted your health.

Steroids only improve health when medically prescribed. And , even then, there can be a price to pay.
 
#16 ·
There will always be reasons for using. Some acceptable. Some not.

If you can't stop, or if you can't stop without it negatively affecting yourself, then it has impacted your health.

Steroids only improve health when medically prescribed. And , even then, there can be a price to pay.
That's just patently false though.

There's a deep stigma against AAS and HRT in many parts of the world. Doctors have no problem prescribing female hormones (actually OTC usually ) or chopping off cocks but if a man is reporting a lack of vitality the reply is often "too bad bud you're in the reference range" (which gets lowered every decade because of soy boys bringing the average down). And even in cases where the doctor relents, he'll often prescribe a retarded regimen like bi-weekly injections which spike estro/BP and should be considered malpractice.
 
#13 ·
If you push the limits and burn the candle at both ends you will regret it massively, the damage it can do is underestimated by most average users but they only see it when they are laying in a hospital bed.

However if you are sensible with doses/compounds & time off, supplement correctly, keep weight reasonable and balance the risk probably one of the most beneficial things you can do if your heavily into training.

No 19 nors, GH under 3iu a day, never more than 700mg total per week inc orals, drop down to true TRT for a few months minimum after a blast. Keep BF under 15%, Cardio always regardless of cut or bulk, blood pressure in range, Tumeric, VitD/K, Krill Oil, Ubiquinol & good balanced diet & keep an eye on hemacrit levels (give blood occasionally) HCG/HMG if maintaining fertility is important.

If you cant build a great physique following the above you don't no what your doing in my opinion.

Unless competing then its a different ball game all together but you only have to look at the price most professional bodybuilders pay for the abuse to get to that level.....

Most people have zero business using tren/slin and being on over 1gram but that's another debate...
 
#14 ·
If you push the limits and burn the candle at both ends you will regret it massively, the damage it can do is underestimated by most average users but they only see it when they are laying in a hospital bed.

However if you are sensible with doses/compounds & time off, supplement correctly, keep weight reasonable and balance the risk probably one of the most beneficial things you can do if your heavily into training.

No 19 nors, GH under 3iu a day, never more than 700mg total per week inc orals, drop down to true TRT for a few months minimum after a blast. Keep BF under 15%, Cardio always regardless of cut or bulk, blood pressure in range, Tumeric, VitD/K, Krill Oil, Ubiquinol & good balanced diet & keep an eye on hemacrit levels (give blood occasionally) HCG/HMG if maintaining fertility is important.

If you cant build a great physique following the above you don't no what your doing in my opinion.

Unless competing then its a different ball game all together but you only have to look at the price most professional bodybuilders pay for the abuse to get to that level.....

Most people have zero business using tren/slin and being on over 1gram but that's another debate...
I agree mate. I'm still in the experimental stage at the moment though. Already have a few vials of deca that I'm wanting to try in the winter for a bulk :lol:
 
#25 ·
You don't have to be competing to take steroids, believe it or not there is a risk adverse way of doing it - getting great results and staying healthy especially compared to an average joe who drinks x2 per week, eats shite and sits on his arse 22 hours a day & slowly rots himself to death having lived life at 30% of his capability, that in my opinion is a worse decision to take than a man in great shape who runs 2 cycles a year & does it properly.

However you are correct when it comes too non competitors who are running 1g+ of gear inc tren/gh/slin etc are just off there heads to be taking those risks, half of them look like s**t as well that's the worse thing.

If people actually took the time to educate themselves properly first it would save them a lot of heartache in the end.

if you cant look big and cut on 500mg test alone then somethings wrong.
 
#28 ·
No.

But I'd absolutely regret becoming an old man having never had a bit of fun with life.

I really don't care to live much past 70, I'll be upset if i live to be a frail 90 year old relying on others tbh..
My granddad lived to 92 and didn't have to rely on others.

If you look after yourself you don't have to be a frail old man.
 
#33 · (Edited by Moderator)
The only thing that worries me is being able to aquire the steroids.. There's not doubt that steroids damage one's health, In fact find me something that doesn't damage one's health in today's world. I'd have a guess and say that the average person who goes out every Friday and Saturday night drinking copious amounts of alochol, including rec drugs to be worse in all honesty. And people do this well into there 50's and beyond.. Yet they still manage to live a full life 70+.... If steroids were so unhealthy people should be dropping dead considering the millions worldwide that use them.
 
#34 ·
I think nowadays getting trt on prescription is getting easier especially if paying private. That's one thing I'm considering if I decide to start to self prescribe test for say the next 10/15 years, while still training with the odd blast along the way.

Agree, lots more worse thing you could be doing. Moderation is the best approach.
 
#35 · (Edited by Moderator)
Will I regret taking steroids? Who knows mate. Can't predict the future.

My thinking right now is hell now I won't regret gear. I'm loving it so far.

Plus I find life dull and repetitive and the idea of living passed 60 doesn't interest me (not to say i'm gonna take that much gear that I won't live passed 60 because I'm quite sensible but I don't care if i pass tbh)

Gear has brought excitement to my life and i'm reaching goals within the gym scene each and every day that I set out to accomplish.
 
#36 · (Edited by Moderator)
My understanding of steroids versus other drugs like alcohol and tobacco is steroids are low harm.

The World Health Organisation states that 3 million people died from alcohol in 2018 and 5 million people die annually from tobacco.

While you're a smoker your risk of early heart attack is 20 times!!! that of a none smoker according to cardiologists.

Caffeine is actually a very strong & quite harmful drug, especially in the quantities sold recently. Costa Coffee have 276mg of caffeine in a medium drink - an amount of stimulant which would have been an Olympic ban for doping prior to 1980... yet people use that to wake up for work.

And have more than one a day!

I had a 6 week break from all caffeine sources & then had 100mg of caffeine pre workout & it is a very strong PED. If you're not a regular caffeine user 100mg can make you train for 3 hours & it feels easy!

90% of the world use caffeine every single day... so what's drug free living?

We process food for aminos, synthesise creatine, citrulline, beta alanine.

Humans use tools for everything to improve performance in a job or task. PEDs are just a tool like everything else we use.

1 in 4 people will need regular antidepressant medication to function at some point in their lives.

Almost everyone ends up on statins to extend their lives.

Many people get artificial joints to improve their lives.

Now we're talking about brain/computer interface implants such as Elon Musk's NeuraLink!! WTF is natural about a brain implant lolol??

If you use steroids in sensible doses with genuine TRT doses on cruises, do regular steady state cardio & eat well, steroids can be very low harm. Keep normal blood pressure, get regular blood tests.

It's thought that 1 in 10 men use steroids at some point, we can assume almost all professional athletes use steroids for extended periods and have done since 1960 or earlier & vast numbers aren't dropping like flies.

Really it's ridiculous that PEDs have to be bought on the black market when virtually nothing we do these days is 'natural' and almost everything humans do is in the pursuit of performance enhancement.

As I've explained above, current legal drugs don't always equal safe drugs.

I think a few drugs can't be legally sold because they're so inherently addictive & absolutely destroy people. Cocaine, tobacco, crystal meth and heroin are those drugs.

Steroids are nothing like that.

Look to America for the future of 'performance optimisation clinics' - there are a handful in the USA that can legally prescribe nandrolone, Anavar, GH under their TRT license. That will grow & grow.

I bet you in 10 years time there will be many different PEDs legally prescribed in performance optimisation clinics in the UK.
 
#44 ·
My understanding of steroids versus other drugs like alcohol and tobacco is steroids are low harm.

The World Health Organisation states that 3 million people died from alcohol in 2018 and 5 million people die annually from tobacco.

While you're a smoker your risk of early heart attack is 20 times!!! that of a none smoker according to cardiologists.

Caffeine is actually a very strong & quite harmful drug, especially in the quantities sold recently. Costa Coffee have 276mg of caffeine in a medium drink - an amount of stimulant which would have been an Olympic ban for doping prior to 1980... yet people use that to wake up for work.

And have more than one a day!

I had a 6 week break from all caffeine sources & then had 100mg of caffeine pre workout & it is a very strong PED. If you're not a regular caffeine user 100mg can make you train for 3 hours & it feels easy!

90% of the world use caffeine every single day... so what's drug free living?

We process food for aminos, synthesise creatine, citrulline, beta alanine.

Humans use tools for everything to improve performance in a job or task. PEDs are just a tool like everything else we use.

1 in 4 people will need regular antidepressant medication to function at some point in their lives.

Almost everyone ends up on statins to extend their lives.

Many people get artificial joints to improve their lives.

Now we're talking about brain/computer interface implants such as Elon Musk's NeuraLink!! WTF is natural about a brain implant lolol??

If you use steroids in sensible doses with genuine TRT doses on cruises, do regular steady state cardio & eat well, steroids can be very low harm. Keep normal blood pressure, get regular blood tests.

It's thought that 1 in 10 men use steroids at some point, we can assume almost all professional athletes use steroids for extended periods and have done since 1960 or earlier & vast numbers aren't dropping like flies.

Really it's ridiculous that PEDs have to be bought on the black market when virtually nothing we do these days is 'natural' and almost everything humans do is in the pursuit of performance enhancement.

As I've explained above, current legal drugs don't always equal safe drugs.

I think a few drugs can't be legally sold because they're so inherently addictive & absolutely destroy people. Cocaine, tobacco, crystal meth and heroin are those drugs.

Steroids are nothing like that.

Look to America for the future of 'performance optimisation clinics' - there are a handful in the USA that can legally prescribe nandrolone, Anavar, GH under their TRT license. That will grow & grow.

I bet you in 10 years time there will be many different PEDs legally prescribed in performance optimisation clinics in the UK.
agree with this ... i started gear in my early 20's have used on and off for nearly 20 years..

now 38 i've decided to trt 100-125mg pw..

cardio everyday . clean diet .. always had bloods done, check bp regularly etc .. i dont plan on crooking it early doors..

cycling proper courses into 40 onwards i might think a bit differently.
 
#37 ·
Well said man.

I feel genuinely bad given the guy who told us about his friend who died, but I get the feeling these are outliers - how many people do you know who use recreational drugs or drink booze every weekend who are fine, but we all know a story of someone who died from drug use, someone who died from being an alcoholic. I'm sure most of us know someone who died from smoking related disease.

Like you say, the fact steroids are so widely used but are still black-market in terms of selling, and a legal grey area, makes this very tricky to quantify. Maybe many older guys are dying or considerably damaging their health from steroid use, but most of the reputable studies we have seem to suggest that if used with caution (and stopping if anything flags up in terms of blood markers, etc) they're fine.

Like I say, it does still worry me, but my sensible side still says that the horror stories are always a mate or a mate of a mate, with little other info to go on. Again, feel disrespectful when someone has told us their personal story, but from a cold clinical scientific point of view, that isn't enough to be conclusive.

It's not like I'm trying to dismiss such stories because I want to just hear good stuff to legitimise my steroid use, keep my head in the sand about dangers, and carry on in ignorance. As much as it would be annoying to have to just go to being natural again, I really WANT to see evidence that steroids are dangerous and could kill me/shorten my life - if it's a scientific/medical fact that I'm putting myself in significant danger, I fu**ing well want to know about it!
 
#40 · (Edited by Moderator)
Well said man.

I feel genuinely bad given the guy who told us about his friend who died, but I get the feeling these are outliers - how many people do you know who use recreational drugs or drink booze every weekend who are fine, but we all know a story of someone who died from drug use, someone who died from being an alcoholic. I'm sure most of us know someone who died from smoking related disease.

Like you say, the fact steroids are so widely used but are still black-market in terms of selling, and a legal grey area, makes this very tricky to quantify. Maybe many older guys are dying or considerably damaging their health from steroid use, but most of the reputable studies we have seem to suggest that if used with caution (and stopping if anything flags up in terms of blood markers, etc) they're fine.

Like I say, it does still worry me, but my sensible side still says that the horror stories are always a mate or a mate of a mate, with little other info to go on. Again, feel disrespectful when someone has told us their personal story, but from a cold clinical scientific point of view, that isn't enough to be conclusive.

It's not like I'm trying to dismiss such stories because I want to just hear good stuff to legitimise my steroid use, keep my head in the sand about dangers, and carry on in ignorance. As much as it would be annoying to have to just go to being natural again, I really WANT to see evidence that steroids are dangerous and could kill me/shorten my life - if it's a scientific/medical fact that I'm putting myself in significant danger, I fu**ing well want to know about it!
Sorry to hear about friends of others on here who have died because of steroids. I don't mean to be insensitive, rather to present my understanding of how harmful steroids are across millions of PED users.

We do have some data on safety. 40 European drug experts from 21 countries ranked 20 recreational drugs according to harm.

Steroids were some of the least harmful at 17th

Alcohol was the most harmful in 1st place.

Tobacco was in 6th place.

Now imagine how much safer PEDs will be now private blood tests are done by much more people. I think an annual echocardiogram is a must for PED users too.

https://irp-cdn.multiscreensite.com/373e674b/files/uploaded/European Rating of Drug Harms 2015.pdf
 
#41 · (Edited by Moderator)
I've not read through the entire thread so forgive any repeating.

Yes, most of us will live to regret it unless something else 'gets us' first.

If you are pulled into the doctors office to be informed you have heart disease that will result in a premature death with no hope of reversing it then thinking back about the little meat suit of bullshit you rented in your earlier years will offer little condolence.

And you can of course apply that to any of the highly potential outcomes from the decisions many of us are making from renal failure, to a stroke, heart disease, liver cancer ect

Enjoy it now and I'm not saying you'll be full of bitter regret but I really can't imagine many will be truly happy / no regret whatsoever with their decision should they be faced with these issues, particularly when they think they've 'got out in time'

Many of the deleterious effects of AAS are not only accumulative and permanent but will present themselves even after having stopped usage.

If you constantly consider these things as a very real possibility then for most it will help to control your usage and eventually stop sooner than if you just stuck your head in the sand with it all.
 
#42 · (Edited by Moderator)
I've not read through the entire thread so forgive any repeating.

Yes, most of us will live to regret it unless something else 'gets us' first.

If you are pulled into the doctors office to be informed you have heart disease that will result in a premature death with no hope of reversing it then thinking back about the little meat suit of bullshit you rented in your earlier years will offer little condolence.

And you can of course apply that to any of the highly potential outcomes from the decisions many of us are making from renal failure, to a stroke, heart disease, liver cancer ect

Enjoy it now and I'm not saying you'll be full of bitter regret but I really can't imagine many will be truly happy / no regret whatsoever with their decision should they be faced with these issues, particularly when they think they've 'got out in time'

Many of the deleterious effects of AAS are not only accumulative and permanent but will present themselves even after having stopped usage.

If you constantly consider these things as a very real possibility then for most it will help to control your usage and eventually stop sooner than if you just stuck your head in the sand with it all.
Well said.

I think a lot of folks do constantly downplay the (serious) risks of steroid abuse. Often I see it happen by guys who are constantly trying to justify their usage.

Gear is bad for you, period. There is no sugar coating it.

People just want to use gear and think it's not doing them any harm. Classic case of putting their heads in the sand.

You can try to limit the damage you do to yourself by being responsible. But at the end of the day; steroid abuse is not enhancing anyones longevity, nor is it doing your organs any good overall.
 
#52 ·
It all depends on how much you abuse it, and from reading a lot of peoples cycles on here i think alot of them will have issues now or later on in life, if done sensibly i don't see why there should be any issues, dexter jackson and shawn ray are prime examples, yes they may have issues we don't know about but if they do they can't be that bad because for a 50 year old to go through a full prep in the arnold classic and olympia i don't think anyone with any serious ill conditions could do that! I hear of people running 600-900mg deca with 1000+mg test or 600mg+ tren etc and you see their profile picture and think WTF they don't even look like they lift! Not bragging but genetics really do exist, i run massively mild compared to some guys i know and some guys i've competed against and i've won many shows, granted amateur class 1 shows but these guys hoovering the gear in are placing way at the back! So it all depends on how wise you are i'd say, but yes you can get unlucksy, some people will have underlying issues they knew nothing about and gear just tops it off! But i'd rather live my life risky and happy then safe and boring, the candle that burns twice as bright lasts half as long, the dull candle burns way too long! Besides the amount of people (young lads with low testosterone levels) these days is crazy! Levels seem to be dropping as time goes on, so would i be happy with shitty to average test levels or would i rather feel alpha male with a high sex drive and authority, defo would hate to be a beta male (boy).
 
#55 ·
20 years later and your natural testosterone would be shite anyway with or without gear (obvs worse if been using) so why accept a shitty level when you can have a level that keeps your sex drive high, bodyfat down. energy levels up, body composition better, more confidence etc!? Lots of people pop pills, take regular injections etc etc for all sorts of ailments, if all you need when you get older is trt i'd happily take that.
 
#57 ·
I honestly don't regret it at the moment, in the future who knows.

I see people doing worse with recreational drugs and alcohol abuse to be fair.

I ended my crazy cycles from a few years already, I mostly cruise and my blasts they are at dosages that most of people consider normal cycles anyways, I'm fit, lean and muscular and I enjoy training on juice.

Many people end up on TRT for natural reasons anyways, I been B&C for already 6 or 7 years and believe it or not I don't have issues, do my checks once a year and they come back clean.

Of course some people on here will say that those checks don't mean s**t and I'll probably drop dead any minute now.

No problems :) my life not your concern.

I do hope to not develop any health issues and I keep doing my things, is a personal adult choice in the end.
 
#65 ·
Will I regret it? Maybe. Would i regret not doing it? Quite possibly too.

If we are unfortunate enough to be on our death bed (some of us will be lucky enough to snuff it quickly) we will lay there regretting the things we did and the things we didn't.

There is no doubt PEDs are going to cause harm; but so will many other things you do in this life (ride a motorcycle, work in construction, eat red meats, live in a congested city). Its all about your personal appetite for risk; but don't kid yourself.

Even if you take reasonable dosages of well tolerated compounds and we "write off" the impact they have on organs for a second; you are adding considerable mass to your frame which in turn makes your organs work harder; simple mechanics tells you the harder a system works the shorter the mean time to failure.

There's an old theory that your heart is only good for so many beats...
 
#66 ·
class a stimulants do more damage for gear users that the gear they run.. i know a few guys who died of heart attacks that used steroids.. all 3 liked a few lines on a weekend ..

if you use steroids dont use stimulants ..

stay away form n19/nors and strong orals , take you vits and plenty of q10 and magnesuim for heart health, STAY HYDRATED. do cardio, use betablockers when bp presssure gets high, dont just sit it out, i take them as an ancillary when i cycle now as ive got older bp has become more of issue .20mg propanol 2x ed will sort most cases out. use duretics with extreme caution. make sure you get enough sleep.

i went on fulltime when i was 24 im 39now.. stopped using nor19s years ago and as much as i love oxy they ramp hemo up to silly levels so thats a no go now .

when i first went went on i really didnt care how long i was on this planet as my life to that point had been shite ,but ive built a family and am happy so goals have changed ,i do wish to hang around a while longer and maybe a grandparent one day, will i regret taking them.. no ,i see them as a blessing.. i do worry about the risks but without me using steroids id have never achieved what i have and probs been a junkie rather than a meathead,

if it knocks a few years off my shift then so be it . it was worth it because without them id of got i have now.

if i knew what i know now back then id of still used, just would of been bit more sensible lol
 
#69 · (Edited by Moderator)
I'm now using trt testosterone 100-150mg pw

I have been using PEDS for 20 years , I'm now 38..

do we think for longevity I'm better at keeping my test level in the slightly over average level or should I try to recover again knowing that my number will be poor just in the chance of living and extra 10 years ? Its not a rhetorical question I'm looking for advice !
 
#70 ·
Good thread I've enjoyed reading the comments.

I'm 45 and ran about 10 maybe 15 cycles my lifting life from the age of 19.

I can say part of me is happy to have big balls and be able to rely on them still. Sex and wood is still good, I do find at my age body fat even with diet is harder and harder especially when trying to retain muscle on a cut.

On the flip side of that I've never progressed to the physique I've wanted, been close a few times but never nailed it. Once the drugs clear and you're 6 month clean forget about those gains. I've read using hrt doses at say 125mg pw to be a good way told hold onto most of your size, much more available free test is available. How this works I'm not sure just what I've read.

Got to do what you thinks best, I still would try and talk sense into and 20 something who been lifting 2 years a talking to if they even mentioned blast and cruise.

I agree on the statements of being better for health than class A's, let's face it though for the most they go hand in hand with Aas anyway.

For me the future is trt. I'm so close to going sod it and pushing the drugs blast and cruise for my next 4/5 years build the physique I want then go to a doctor for a legit prescription at 50 and enjoy the bennifets of better test levels.
 
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