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Who is the GOAT of boxing?

Who was the GOAT of boxing?  

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  1. 1. A lot of people say Muhammad Ali was the greatest but do you think if he was in a match against other boxers in different eras, or boxers from different weight divisions were in his size, or even if there was a remach against George foreman would he still win the fight?

    • Muhammad Ali
    • Mike tyson
    • Evander holyfield
    • Riddick Bowe
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    • George foreman
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    • Tyson Fury
    • Anthony Joshua
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    • Floyd mayweather
    • Joe Louis
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Imagine the mind games Ali would have played on Tyson, he would have caused him to have a mental breakdown leading up to the fight.

Geroge Foreman in his prime was as devastating as Tyson was, Tyson was a bully, he was manufactured and spoon fed opponenets during the build up in his career fighting every few weeks.

After his loss to Douglas he recovered, after his loss to Holyfield his game was up...

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58 minutes ago, Substandard said:

Imagine the mind games Ali would have played on Tyson, he would have caused him to have a mental breakdown leading up to the fight.

Geroge Foreman in his prime was as devastating as Tyson was, Tyson was a bully, he was manufactured and spoon fed opponenets during the build up in his career fighting every few weeks.

After his loss to Douglas he recovered, after his loss to Holyfield his game was up...

And Imagine the surprise In Ali when he gets put to sleep in round 2 after thinking he could play mind games with a ruthless killer, which at one point Tyson very much was and was capable pf beating anyone put infront of him. 

Yes Geroge Foreman had Knockout Power like Tyson but that's where the comparison ends, Tyson was an Inside Fighter and a devastating one at that, sorry but I think he would of been too much for Ali to handle if it were 1988 Tyson under Kevin Rooney, I'd also argue he Is a 2x Heavyweight Champion winning once against Bruno, also as mentioned post Prison Tyson was a head case with his mind only 50/50 In Boxing, not saying the outcome of those Fights would of been different but it's relevant. 

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1 hour ago, wylde99 said:

And Imagine the surprise In Ali when he gets put to sleep in round 2 after thinking he could play mind games with a ruthless killer, which at one point Tyson very much was and was capable pf beating anyone put infront of him. 

Yes Geroge Foreman had Knockout Power like Tyson but that's where the comparison ends, Tyson was an Inside Fighter and a devastating one at that, sorry but I think he would of been too much for Ali to handle if it were 1988 Tyson under Kevin Rooney, I'd also argue he Is a 2x Heavyweight Champion winning once against Bruno, also as mentioned post Prison Tyson was a head case with his mind only 50/50 In Boxing, not saying the outcome of those Fights would of been different but it's relevant. 

Tyson came along between two quality eras in boxing, he was a decent stop gap.

I was a big fan of his in the 80s and early 90s but truth be told he was a coward when the chips werre down, go listen to Teddy Atlas talking about Tyson on the Joe Rogan show, he knew him well..

 

 

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people liked tyson because he was an absolute aggressive I'm gonna beat the f**k out of you in the first round fighter and some people want to see that as opposed to a "pugilist specialist" because a lot of heavyweight fights can be boring as f**k...there you go that's why...people like seeing a big knock out and you knew that's what you were gonna get.

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7 hours ago, JohnnySack said:

people liked tyson because he was an absolute aggressive I'm gonna beat the f**k out of you in the first round fighter and some people want to see that as opposed to a "pugilist specialist" because a lot of heavyweight fights can be boring as f**k...there you go that's why...people like seeing a big knock out and you knew that's what you were gonna get.

As Teddy Atlas said, "he was only in 5 fights in his life and he lost them all....."

You only show your class when you meet resistance....

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13 hours ago, Substandard said:

As Teddy Atlas said, "he was only in 5 fights in his life and he lost them all....."

You only show your class when you meet resistance....

yeah looking at his record I kinda see what you mean but he was 30 by then and prior to that everyone else was running scared...look at the faces of some of them as they touched gloves...they had lost already.

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46 minutes ago, JohnnySack said:

yeah looking at his record I kinda see what you mean but he was 30 by then and prior to that everyone else was running scared...look at the faces of some of them as they touched gloves...they had lost already.

yep, just look in his eyes when hes standing in front of Holyfield in the second fight...

Teddy Atlas predicted he would look for a way out if he thought he was losing...

 

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2 hours ago, JohnnySack said:

@Substandard I hear what you're saying...but as noted he was a mess by this stage...a shadow of his former self. However that doesn't take away from your argument so...who is the GOAT then ?

best boxer Floyd Mayweather, never watch his fights though...

I like to see guys tested and put their hearts into a fight, Floyd was so good he hardly got tested, maybe he lost the first Castillo fight though.

Its fighters that get remembered not boxers

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He's not the GOAT but I'd say Canelo's the best lb for lb at present. Crawford in the reckoning too. I had a cheeky couple grand on Canelo to beat BJS last night.

Best value 1/4 shot you're ever likely to get. If they fought 20 times BJS wouldn't win once.

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1 hour ago, MickeyE said:

He's not the GOAT but I'd say Canelo's the best lb for lb at present. Crawford in the reckoning too. I had a cheeky couple grand on Canelo to beat BJS last night.

Best value 1/4 shot you're ever likely to get. If they fought 20 times BJS wouldn't win once.

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I’m pleased for you. But after timing on a bet is a really uncool thing to do. Anybody can come out and show off a large winning ticket after the result has gone their way and profess how knowledgeable they are.

Id have had a lot more respect for you if you’d shown us all the slip before the fight. 
 

Enjoy the winnings though!

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9 minutes ago, Donny dog said:

I’m pleased for you. But after timing on a bet is a really uncool thing to do. Anybody can come out and show off a large winning ticket after the result has gone their way and profess how knowledgeable they are.

Id have had a lot more respect for you if you’d shown us all the slip before the fight. 
 

Enjoy the winnings though!

I'm not professing to be knowledgeable. It doesn't exactly take a genius to pick a 1/4 shot. 

I'm a losing sports gambler although I am hundreds of thousands £ winner at online poker.

I did also post my winning slip on here when I backed Fury to beat Klitscho on points at 12-1. That was a lot more impressive as no one including the pundits gave him a prayer. 

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On 10.04.2021 г. at 7:38 PM, EpicSquats said:

He's an arrogant d1ck, but it has to be Mayweather. No one could beat him. Boxing isn't about knocking people out, it's about hitting and not getting hit, and Mayweather was the best at that.

Serafim Todorov... the bulgarian who beat and outboxed Mayweather. The guy should be a legend, for defeating him and yet thanks to our(bulgarian) goverment that does not value our sport legends, he works at a parking lot as a security guard.

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6 minutes ago, alphafit said:

Serafim Todorov... the bulgarian who beat and outboxed Mayweather. The guy should be a legend, for defeating him and yet thanks to our(bulgarian) goverment that does not value our sport legends, he works at a parking lot as a security guard.

He only nicked a narrow points decision over FMJ as an amateur. Which is a completely different ball game to the pros.

David Price beat Tyson Fury and D Whyte beat AJ in the amateurs and look how thats panned out.

The Bulgarian fella couldn't lace FMJs boots.

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14 minutes ago, MickeyE said:

I'm not professing to be knowledgeable. It doesn't exactly take a genius to pick a 1/4 shot. 

I'm a losing sports gambler although I am hundreds of thousands £ winner at online poker.

I did also post my winning slip on here when I backed Fury to beat Klitscho on points at 12-1. That was a lot more impressive as no one including the pundits gave him a prayer. 

What happened with the poker? A steady and sustained winning streak or an unbelievably lucky run of strong hands one night that helped you hit the jackpot, baby?

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11 minutes ago, MickeyE said:

He only nicked a narrow points decision over FMJ as an amateur. Which is a completely different ball game to the pros.

David Price beat Tyson Fury and D Whyte beat AJ in the amateurs and look how thats panned out.

The Bulgarian fella couldn't lace FMJs boots.

Olympic game boxing is way more competitive than those business devisions. Also if Serafim Todorov countiued to box, instead of quiting he would be quite on the level of FMJ if not  even better.

We have some  good boxers Kubrat Pulev and Tervel Pulev.... but our strength is in sports like wrestling, powerlifting,, sprinting and gymnastics. mma and acrobats,chess but we suck at team sports:lol:

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29 minutes ago, Donny dog said:

What happened with the poker? A steady and sustained winning streak or an unbelievably lucky run of strong hands one night that helped you hit the jackpot, baby?

The bolded. I fell into by accident really but eventually gave up a business I was running at the time, as it was costing me money taking time off playing poker. 

Not really a "streak" I did it full time for a few years. 

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1 hour ago, MickeyE said:

The bolded. I fell into by accident really but eventually gave up a business I was running at the time, as it was costing me money taking time off playing poker. 

Not really a "streak" I did it full time for a few years. 

Good arrers then pal.

I know a few lads who’ve won nice sums of money in one off tournaments but to make a living and give yourself a decent standard of living for years to come (hopefully for you anyway) has to be what’s classed as living the dream!

:thumbup1:

 

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4 minutes ago, Donny dog said:

Good arrers then pal.

I know a few lads who’ve won nice sums of money in one off tournaments but to make a living and give yourself a decent standard of living for years to come (hopefully for you anyway) has to be what’s classed as living the dream!

:thumbup1:

 

It definitely helped me get more financial security but I'd no way say I have the kind of money that would be considered "living the dream". 

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17 hours ago, MickeyE said:

He's not the GOAT but I'd say Canelo's the best lb for lb at present. Crawford in the reckoning too. I had a cheeky couple grand on Canelo to beat BJS last night.

Best value 1/4 shot you're ever likely to get. If they fought 20 times BJS wouldn't win once.

I haven't see the fight card but from the highlights I saw BJS seemed to be doing a pretty good job until he ducked into an uppercut.

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8 hours ago, JohnnySack said:

I haven't see the fight card but from the highlights I saw BJS seemed to be doing a pretty good job until he ducked into an uppercut.

Yeh he did better than I thought he would. I had Canelo a few rounds up but it was competitive. 

Bit of an anti climax finish with BJS quitting on his stool when still well in the fight. 

And a bit ironic considering BJS said this in the wake of DDD retiring against Joyce ,with what looked a lot worse damage than BJS sustained 

“If my two eye sockets were broken, my jaw was broken, my teeth were out, my nose was smashed, my brain was beaten, I was not stopping until I was knocked out or worse."

Oh well as Mike Tyson once said "everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face" 

If BJS had come out for round 9 doubt it would have lasted more than another 30-40 seconds anyway.

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It was a shame it ended that way as it very anti-climatic. There was no way BJS was winning that fight though - Canelo is a stone cold killer.

No-one this side of Light Heavy is a match for him and I would put a cheeky bet on him beating them as well.

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