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3 minutes ago, Substandard said:

she only knows she had because she had a positive test at work, she had no symptoms

Shes also had the jab, she was ill off that..

No one knows for sure where they got it unless they have never left the house and they get it, you may as well take all the stats and burn them with an attitude like that.

they produce stats based on the test and trace when they ask people where they have been

The positive test isn't the moment of infection. Could have been quite some time previously. You need to talk to her about all this stuff rattling around your head. Hopefully she can put you straight. 

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1 minute ago, Kazza61 said:

The positive test isn't the moment of infection. Could have been quite some time previously. You need to talk to her about all this stuff rattling around your head. Hopefully she can put you straight. 

she has put me straight on quite a few things, she would lose her job if she said it publically.

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12 minutes ago, Substandard said:

she has put me straight on quite a few things, she would lose her job if she said it publically.

I reckon if she holds the same views as you ICU in Covid times isn't for her. Lucky she was asymptomatic. 

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21 hours ago, Donny dog said:

Come on now. Don’t let your contempt for certain people on here totally cloud your judgement. Absolutely everything about the track and trace app has been a total disaster. 

Not saying the app wasn’t. But it wasn’t the sole cause of the spending.

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6 hours ago, Substandard said:

she has put me straight on quite a few things, she would lose her job if she said it publically.

That old chestnut. 

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On 02/05/2021 at 1:12 PM, Denied said:

@wylde99 can you explain the low death rate in Israel and why nobody who knows people who have had the vaccine in the UK, knows anyone whose been ill or died from it?

TBF a lot (maybe near on half) of the people I know, mainly young healthy people, who have had it, have been pretty ill for a day or 2.

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On 05/05/2021 at 9:24 AM, todai said:

wasn't just an app, was the whole process.... created 100's of jobs. Yes some was probably wasted and given to 'friends' but what you're saying about it being just an app is nonsense, takes 4 seconds to find that out also. Do better

An app that didn’t work.

100s of public sector jobs (ie paid for by tax payers) that achieved essentially nothing.

If the public sector creates jobs that add no value for anyone, other than the people who get the jobs it’s not helping the country at all.

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On 06/05/2021 at 7:05 AM, Kazza61 said:

Initially masks were looked at in terms of did they directly protect the wearer and it was found they really didn’t. However when they were looked at in terms of whether they protected others if the wearer was infected, they were found to limit the distance and spread of infected droplets from the wearer’s mouth thereby limiting the chances of infecting others. That’s why the change in message occurred.

 

As you mentioned earlier masks have been worn is Asia for years.

There was already plenty of data available to show how corona viruses and other respiratory viruses interact with masks, years before anyone had ever heard of Covid-19.

There were no “new findings” they just changed their minds, for whatever reason.

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1 hour ago, lewdylewd said:

f the public sector creates jobs that add no value for anyone, other than the people who get the jobs it’s not helping the country at all.

There’s plenty of those ‘made up jobs’ that isn’t really doing anything productive. 

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1 hour ago, lewdylewd said:

An app that didn’t work.

100s of public sector jobs (ie paid for by tax payers) that achieved essentially nothing.

If the public sector creates jobs that add no value for anyone, other than the people who get the jobs it’s not helping the country at all.

a mean, thanks, I guess, for just repeating what he said above. and I'll just repeat what I said... it wasn't just an app....

But a mean, thanks, for your important and valued contribution. 

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26 minutes ago, BLUE(UK) said:

There’s plenty of those ‘made up jobs’ that isn’t really doing anything productive. 

If it’s in the public sector you can’t claim that these jobs are a positive though.

If private companies do this it’s their own money that’s being wasted and they will be contributing tax, NI etc for the privilege.

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8 minutes ago, todai said:

a mean, thanks, I guess, for just repeating what he said above. and I'll just repeat what I said... it wasn't just an app....

But a mean, thanks, for your important and valued contribution. 

So you think it was a good use of public sector money, that shouldn’t be questioned?

I was replying to your comment about “creating jobs”.

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8 minutes ago, lewdylewd said:

So you think it was a good use of public sector money, that shouldn’t be questioned?

I was replying to your comment about “creating jobs”.

The full process? yes. The app? also yes! Could it have been done better... yes! Sometimes we choose the wrong companies to do work, I have it in construction all the time.  it's getting questioned, there will be a review etc 

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4 hours ago, todai said:

Yes mate, she told me a different story. 

you do realise you are trolling yourself now. don't you?

You will verify the fact by responding to this post.

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1 hour ago, lewdylewd said:

As you mentioned earlier masks have been worn is Asia for years.

There was already plenty of data available to show how corona viruses and other respiratory viruses interact with masks, years before anyone had ever heard of Covid-19.

There were no “new findings” they just changed their minds, for whatever reason.

On the 6th June last year it was the WHO who declared there was new evidence to support the use of masks particularly in situations where social distancing may be compromised. This was particularly linked to the identification that the disease may be present in some people without any obvious signs (NB. They were asymptomatic). They added that they should be used within a range of measures. 

The UK was satisfied by the evidence and chose to implement the recommendation from 15th June. 

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1 hour ago, lewdylewd said:

If it’s in the public sector you can’t claim that these jobs are a positive though.

If private companies do this it’s their own money that’s being wasted and they will be contributing tax, NI etc for the privilege.

The knock on effect is that people still have to pay for it even if indirectly. 

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3 hours ago, lewdylewd said:

TBF a lot (maybe near on half) of the people I know, mainly young healthy people, who have had it, have been pretty ill for a day or 2.

Think that's a far cry from the assumption wyldes making that there's hundreds of deaths and thousands of seriously ill people.

Plus how many of those are actually ill because of the jab. In the trials, just as many of the control group had serious adverse reactions as the ones given the actual jab. Add that to everyone banging on about sides in the news and on forum's and you'll have a lot more people reporting side effects than you would do normally.

Would be interesting to see, how the stats on the adverse side effects compare to every other vaccine during the testing phase.

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3 hours ago, Kazza61 said:

On the 6th June last year it was the WHO who declared there was new evidence to support the use of masks particularly in situations where social distancing may be compromised. This was particularly linked to the identification that the disease may be present in some people without any obvious signs (NB. They were asymptomatic). They added that they should be used within a range of measures. 

The UK was satisfied by the evidence and chose to implement the recommendation from 15th June. 

Yes we have tended to follow the WHO advice, but there weren’t any new findings, Covid doesn’t interact differently with a face mask than any other corona virus or similar respiratory viruses.

They wouldn’t start out assuming that Covid was different, and wait for evidence that it was the same before recommending masks. They would have started out assuming that it would be like other similar viruses.

Whether it was because they wanted to toe the line with the WHO (unlikely) or because they had ballsed up PPE contracts (more likely) or some other reason we will probably never know, but science didn’t discover a before unknown use for masks on the 6th of June.

Remember the original policy wasn’t simply “you don’t need a mask” it was “DO NOT wear a mask” that’s a pretty major u-turn.

The whole thing has been a bit strange, a “centre-right conservative” government administering socialist/communist policies that clearly aren’t coming from the top (Boris’ “bodies piled in the street” etc).

Posh Eton graduate, brexiteering, trade union hating tories would never truly have believed in policies like furlough, enforced lockdowns etc behind closed doors. The whole thing has been about pleasing the centre crowd, I didn’t think Boris was the type to abandon his political ideals to chase a few votes. 
 

Pretty safe to assume though if Boris gave us lockdowns and furlough, we are lucky Corbyn never got in as we’d have about as many freedoms as the Chinese.

 

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3 hours ago, Kazza61 said:

On the 6th June last year it was the WHO who declared there was new evidence to support the use of masks particularly in situations where social distancing may be compromised. This was particularly linked to the identification that the disease may be present in some people without any obvious signs (NB. They were asymptomatic). They added that they should be used within a range of measures. 

The UK was satisfied by the evidence and chose to implement the recommendation from 15th June. 

and coincidentally the shortage of PPE had been addressed and the NHS and Government had an over abundance of masks to shift

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39 minutes ago, Substandard said:

and coincidentally the shortage of PPE had been addressed and the NHS and Government had an over abundance of masks to shift

Yeah, that can be the only reason the World Health Organisation issued its guidance so the UK could shift its spare masks. 

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