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11 hours ago, faangs said:

Mainly just lean enough (not necessarily 6 pack showing), muscle in the right places (pecs visibly out, thicker arms and legs, the usual really). 

I'm 29yo, 6'0, 90-91kg. I have body fat figures my PT recorded - will upload next week once I get them. I'm not saying I look crap, just want to look better in pics really. 

Doesn’t sound unrealistic at all after  all the time you say you’ve been working out 

 

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On 21/02/2020 at 10:39 PM, faangs said:

I have been training 6-7 years now, with PT's and myself. 

I admit my diet wasn't always on point, but over the years I improved. Lifts are gradually improving also and I am getting better at everything especially form.

But when I look at my body, it is definitely better than where I started, but I feel so behind where my goal is. 

I am unsure if I am training for the wrong body kind - if that makes sense - and should set a more realistic goal? My goal hasn't really changed in the 6-7 years so its definitely not a mind thing. 

Wondering how to get to my goal basically? I actually look better off cycle completely and just taking some orals and nice clean diet than I did on a full blown cycle! 

I'm in no rush. Just want to get to my goals and maintain it really and wonder if I have gotten the wrong PT's who may have different goals entirely for me? 

All those words and no mention of what the goals are.:thumb

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On 21/02/2020 at 11:07 PM, faangs said:

Which drugs? Which filters?

Yeah I don't think they look like that year round. I don't usually go off pics but the videos they post (e.g. gym workout) then you can see them more natural I guess? 

Edit: my goal isn't even 6 pack ripped anyway. Just a rugby mass bulked look with shape/lines in the right places so it looks like I gym. And I'm a happy lad. 

That goal is easily attained.

 

Especially if you're using drugs buddy.

Post up your stats and diet.

Also training.

And be honest.

 

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17 hours ago, faangs said:

Mainly just lean enough (not necessarily 6 pack showing), muscle in the right places (pecs visibly out, thicker arms and legs, the usual really). 

I'm 29yo, 6'0, 90-91kg. I have body fat figures my PT recorded - will upload next week once I get them. I'm not saying I look crap, just want to look better in pics really. 

You’re 6’. You’ll struggle to look good in pics(dependant on what you see as good). On the other hand, You’ll look better than anyone 5’ 5 in real life as you won’t look like a midget/womble. 

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12 minutes ago, BLUE(UK) said:

You’re 6’. You’ll struggle to look good in pics(dependant on what you see as good). On the other hand, You’ll look better than anyone 5’ 5 in real life as you won’t look like a midget/womble. 

lol ye thats why i posted this up... maybe i have unreaslitic expectations. 

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1 hour ago, simonboyle said:

That goal is easily attained.

 

Especially if you're using drugs buddy.

Post up your stats and diet.

Also training.

And be honest.

 

The physiques I linked are easy? Then I don't know what I am doing wrong lol

Stats: 29yo, 6;0, 90-91kg 

Training: 3 day split 

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2 hours ago, faangs said:

The physiques I linked are easy? Then I don't know what I am doing wrong lol

Stats: 29yo, 6;0, 90-91kg 

Training: 3 day split 

Easy is a relative term.

But yes.

Especially as you already use PEDs.

And I think I've already sussed you're issue.

 

I asked you to post your stats diet and training.

You told me your height. Your weight and that you go to the gym.

 

Also, those pics all are very lean.

You said you don't want to be lean.

So what is your goal?

Pic something. As you're contradicting yourself.

And height isn't an issue.

I'm taller than you. It's diet and training. That's your issue.

So, again.

Diet? This means calories and macros. And what results this has achieved.

Training. This means what you actually do. Don't need the weights, bit what are your lifts? Straight sets? Training protocol? How long you've been on it? Cardio? Results achieved?

May as well throw in drug usage. What you've run. What your diet and training was on that cycle, and what the results were.

Those physiques are easily attainable (but take a lot of work, easy doesn't mean you just show up, it's a simple process, but takes dedication, and probably more training as a 3 day split isn't that great)

So start with this info.

Even the process of writing this down will probably show you where your mistakes are.

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Also, keep in mind that people pump up, flex like f**k and pose for those pics. Flexed muscle doesn't look the same as relaxed muscle.

And they'll have dieted their ass off for that one pic.

 

For reference.

Me. 6'2". About 86kg. No steroids. (Sarms and everything else though haha)

 

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lighting, photoshop, drugs, pump, angle 

what so like everyone else? 

I'll tell you what these instagrammers and magazine shoot guys have, better genetics than you, that's why they have huge followings, sponsorships and contracts.

might make a thread about this, I've got 5 minutes since I'm burdened with injury

EDIT- 

there go, ended up being something of nothing but relevant nonetheless 

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Totally disagree bud.

It's just an excuse.

Also none of us know what our genetics are.

Next we'll be back to mesomorphic etc.

Adjust for your own situation.

The physiques he's posted are easily obtainable especially as he uses PEDs.

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57 minutes ago, simonboyle said:

Totally disagree bud.

It's just an excuse.

Also none of us know what our genetics are.

Next we'll be back to mesomorphic etc.

Adjust for your own situation.

The physiques he's posted are easily obtainable especially as he uses PEDs.

I was talking broadly 

I don't believe ANYTHING is attainable so long as you put your heart to it 

Hafthor Bjornsson could never be a jockey and Bob Hoskins would have never been an NBA player. 

Genetic limitations and restrictions are real, I did state in my thread on this that it shouldn't deter anyone from giving their all to their passion but perspective should be had on what is and isn't achievable 

 

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19 minutes ago, swole troll said:

I was talking broadly 

I don't believe ANYTHING is attainable so long as you put your heart to it 

Hafthor Bjornsson could never be a jockey and Bob Hoskins would have never been an NBA player. 

Genetic limitations and restrictions are real, I did state in my thread on this that it shouldn't deter anyone from giving their all to their passion but perspective should be had on what is and isn't achievable 

 

Bob Hoskins could have been, we'll never know.

Jockey is determined by height and weight. So not really a valid point.

Posted on the other thread.

 

But essentially, bringing it in to this thread for reference, that's an excuse. The guy, unless there's something wrong with him, can achieve the level of physique he's posted.

Pretty much anyone can.

Level, not identical physique.

Similar size, similar condition. Not even that hard.

 

Yes or no?

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22 minutes ago, swole troll said:

I was talking broadly 

I don't believe ANYTHING is attainable so long as you put your heart to it 

Hafthor Bjornsson could never be a jockey and Bob Hoskins would have never been an NBA player. 

Genetic limitations and restrictions are real, I did state in my thread on this that it shouldn't deter anyone from giving their all to their passion but perspective should be had on what is and isn't achievable 

 

And yes I totally agree that there are limits.

But it isn't relevant to this thread.

If he'd posted pics of Marcus Ruhl (I'm not up on my modern BBers) and had said he's 5 foot tall then I'd say he's need to re assess his goals. 

But within the context of this thread, "genetics" is largely irrelevant and a phrase too often spouted by bros as an excuse.

 

I hate the "anyone can do anything they want" bollocks too.

But these goals. Easily attained. And genetic potential is entirely unknown.

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On 23/02/2020 at 9:30 PM, simonboyle said:

Easy is a relative term.

But yes.

Especially as you already use PEDs.

And I think I've already sussed you're issue.

 

I asked you to post your stats diet and training.

You told me your height. Your weight and that you go to the gym.

 

Also, those pics all are very lean.

You said you don't want to be lean.

So what is your goal?

Pic something. As you're contradicting yourself.

And height isn't an issue.

I'm taller than you. It's diet and training. That's your issue.

So, again.

Diet? This means calories and macros. And what results this has achieved.

Training. This means what you actually do. Don't need the weights, bit what are your lifts? Straight sets? Training protocol? How long you've been on it? Cardio? Results achieved?

May as well throw in drug usage. What you've run. What your diet and training was on that cycle, and what the results were.

Those physiques are easily attainable (but take a lot of work, easy doesn't mean you just show up, it's a simple process, but takes dedication, and probably more training as a 3 day split isn't that great)

So start with this info.

Even the process of writing this down will probably show you where your mistakes are.

Diet:

1. 200ml egg white + 2 whole egg + 1 sachet oat + 1 scoop whey 

2. 2 slice Ezekial bread + scraping of butter + grated mozzarella cheese 50g

3. Peptopure 

4. 100g low carb pasta + passata + grated mozzarella cheese 50g + peas 100g

5.  2 whole egg + 1 scoop whey + 1 tbsp coconut oil

Training:

1. Back/biceps: typically compound movement first (3 sets), then 2 supersets (3 sets each), then some isolation. 

2. Chest/triceps: typically compound movement first (3 sets), then 2 supersets (3 sets each), then some isolation. 

3. Legs/shoulders: typically compound movement first (2 sets), then some isolation. I find legs difficult. 

No cardio. 

Goal:

The guy's pics I posted is the goal. Maybe I used the wrong description. 

Roids:

On 250mg/ml test E a week and 1 AI tablet EOD. 

History:

I have done tren/test and parabolin/test cycles before. Similar diets (add in a mass shake or so to the above), did grow, but don't look like those guys at all. 

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5 hours ago, faangs said:

Diet:

1. 200ml egg white + 2 whole egg + 1 sachet oat + 1 scoop whey 

2. 2 slice Ezekial bread + scraping of butter + grated mozzarella cheese 50g

3. Peptopure 

4. 100g low carb pasta + passata + grated mozzarella cheese 50g + peas 100g

5.  2 whole egg + 1 scoop whey + 1 tbsp coconut oil

Training:

1. Back/biceps: typically compound movement first (3 sets), then 2 supersets (3 sets each), then some isolation. 

2. Chest/triceps: typically compound movement first (3 sets), then 2 supersets (3 sets each), then some isolation. 

3. Legs/shoulders: typically compound movement first (2 sets), then some isolation. I find legs difficult. 

No cardio. 

Goal:

The guy's pics I posted is the goal. Maybe I used the wrong description. 

Roids:

On 250mg/ml test E a week and 1 AI tablet EOD. 

History:

I have done tren/test and parabolin/test cycles before. Similar diets (add in a mass shake or so to the above), did grow, but don't look like those guys at all. 

Appreciate the response buddy.

And not Tobe a dick, but you've still not provided a breakdown of what your diet is.

Calories and macros.

I'm thinking diet might be where you're missing a beat.

And that's a low calorie diet from the explanations and amounts. Drugs and workouts need fuel mate.

Without even knowing the macro breakdown of that I'd say it's about half what you need at you're height and for your mass goals.

Start again.

Diet.

Gram for gram and calorie for calorie with macro breakdown.

It's for your benefit too.

Can respond to the rest once we've grasped that

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1 hour ago, simonboyle said:

Appreciate the response buddy.

And not Tobe a dick, but you've still not provided a breakdown of what your diet is.

Calories and macros.

I'm thinking diet might be where you're missing a beat.

And that's a low calorie diet from the explanations and amounts. Drugs and workouts need fuel mate.

Without even knowing the macro breakdown of that I'd say it's about half what you need at you're height and for your mass goals.

Start again.

Diet.

Gram for gram and calorie for calorie with macro breakdown.

It's for your benefit too.

Can respond to the rest once we've grasped that

Is the below ok? I tried diets on 3k calories and even 2.5k+ calories, but my mid section then holds too much fat and never shifts. For the first time I am getting leaner on the stomach without loosing weight (meaning this diet seems good). I have an office job so I think my metabolism is a bit slower maybe thats why also. 

Meal 1 (Breakfast) Calories
kcal
Carbs
g
Fat
g
Protein
g
Fiber
g
Sugar
g
Bulkpowders - Liquid Egg Whites, 200 g 90 2 0 21 0 1  
Co-op - Large Eggs, 2 Egg 140 0 10 12 0 0  
Solgar - Omega 3 Triple Strength, 2 Softgel 30 0 3 0 0 0  
Quaker - Oats - Golden Syrup, 36 g 143 26 2 3 3 8  
Reflex - Instant Whey Protein, 1 scoop (25g) 97 2 1 20 0 1  
Add Food  500 30 16 56 3 10  
Meal 2 (Snack)
Food for Life - Ezekiel 4:9 Sprouted Bread, 2 slice 160 30 1 8 6 0  
Flora - Flora Light Butter, 20 g 80 1 9 0 0 0  
Coop - Grated Mozzarella Cheese, 50 g 145 1 10 13 0 0  
Add Food  385 32 20 21 6 0  
Meal 3 (Lunch)
Bulkpowders - Peptopro, 25 g 80 0 0 22 0 0  
Add Food  80 0 0 22 0 0  
Meal 4 (Dinner)
Lizza - Low Carb Pasta, 100 g 273 12 8 27 27 2  
Napolina - Passata With Basil, 100 g 28 4 0 2 0 0  
Coop - Grated Mozzarella Cheese, 50 g 145 1 10 13 0 0  
Organic green peas - Organic Green Peas, 100 g 82 14 0 6 5 5  
Add Food  528 31 18 48 32 7  
Meal 5 (Post-Training)
Add Food               
Meal 6 (Before Sleep)
Reflex Nutrition - Instant Whey, 50 g 182 3 2 40 0 0  
Co Op Egg - Large Egg, 2 Egg 160 1 11 15 0 1  
the groovy food - coconut oil, 1 tbsp(s) 118 0 15 0 0 0  
Add Food  460 4 28 55 0 1  
   
Totals 1,953 97 82 202 41 18

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On 23/02/2020 at 10:56 AM, faangs said:

> Big and strong, lean :D

Maybe rubgy was the wrong word. 

Something like this basically: https://www.greatestphysiques.com/male-physiques/dan-tai/

Gym fit, muscles in the right places and shape visible. 

This is probably better: https://www.greatestphysiques.com/male-physiques/nathan-mccallum/ but he is shorter than me. 

The best: https://www.greatestphysiques.com/male-physiques/thomas-canestraro/

No '6 pack skinny look' but swole muscles. Looks bulked enough but not super big bodybuilder. Does it make sense?

The very fact almost on everyone on here say this is easily attainable, not that impressive blah blah, then proceed to not even look half as good is why I don’t post anymore. So much delusion.
 

All 3 of those physiques are better than 98% of every pic posted in about 70 pages of the rate my physique/post latest pic” thread here on UKM. 

If you want my advice, however. The answer is to reduce your calories and make sure you’re running 200-500mg of test/dry compounds, oh and downward lighting :) 

 

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13 hours ago, Devil said:

The very fact almost on everyone on here say this is easily attainable, not that impressive blah blah, then proceed to not even look half as good is why I don’t post anymore. So much delusion.
 

All 3 of those physiques are better than 98% of every pic posted in about 70 pages of the rate my physique/post latest pic” thread here on UKM. 

If you want my advice, however. The answer is to reduce your calories and make sure you’re running 200-500mg of test/dry compounds, oh and downward lighting :) 

 

Ouch.

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13 hours ago, faangs said:

Is the below ok? I tried diets on 3k calories and even 2.5k+ calories, but my mid section then holds too much fat and never shifts. For the first time I am getting leaner on the stomach without loosing weight (meaning this diet seems good). I have an office job so I think my metabolism is a bit slower maybe thats why also. 

Meal 1 (Breakfast) Calories
kcal
Carbs
g
Fat
g
Protein
g
Fiber
g
Sugar
g
Bulkpowders - Liquid Egg Whites, 200 g 90 2 0 21 0 1  
Co-op - Large Eggs, 2 Egg 140 0 10 12 0 0  
Solgar - Omega 3 Triple Strength, 2 Softgel 30 0 3 0 0 0  
Quaker - Oats - Golden Syrup, 36 g 143 26 2 3 3 8  
Reflex - Instant Whey Protein, 1 scoop (25g) 97 2 1 20 0 1  
Add Food  500 30 16 56 3 10  
Meal 2 (Snack)
Food for Life - Ezekiel 4:9 Sprouted Bread, 2 slice 160 30 1 8 6 0  
Flora - Flora Light Butter, 20 g 80 1 9 0 0 0  
Coop - Grated Mozzarella Cheese, 50 g 145 1 10 13 0 0  
Add Food  385 32 20 21 6 0  
Meal 3 (Lunch)
Bulkpowders - Peptopro, 25 g 80 0 0 22 0 0  
Add Food  80 0 0 22 0 0  
Meal 4 (Dinner)
Lizza - Low Carb Pasta, 100 g 273 12 8 27 27 2  
Napolina - Passata With Basil, 100 g 28 4 0 2 0 0  
Coop - Grated Mozzarella Cheese, 50 g 145 1 10 13 0 0  
Organic green peas - Organic Green Peas, 100 g 82 14 0 6 5 5  
Add Food  528 31 18 48 32 7  
Meal 5 (Post-Training)
Add Food               
Meal 6 (Before Sleep)
Reflex Nutrition - Instant Whey, 50 g 182 3 2 40 0 0  
Co Op Egg - Large Egg, 2 Egg 160 1 11 15 0 1  
the groovy food - coconut oil, 1 tbsp(s) 118 0 15 0 0 0  
Add Food  460 4 28 55 0 1  
   
Totals 1,953 97 82 202 41 18

Okay,better.

So the next question would be do you think you're carrying enough size?

As you're clearly trying to cut.

Again, I'm confused, as you seemed like you were trying to grow.

What, specifically, is your goal right now?

And that diet is pretty low. Is that where you started cutting? Or have you adjusted down?

And you're focusing on abs again.

So you want abs?

Need to pick something buddy.

 

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13 hours ago, Devil said:

The very fact almost on everyone on here say this is easily attainable, not that impressive blah blah, then proceed to not even look half as good is why I don’t post anymore. So much delusion.
 

All 3 of those physiques are better than 98% of every pic posted in about 70 pages of the rate my physique/post latest pic” thread here on UKM. 

If you want my advice, however. The answer is to reduce your calories and make sure you’re running 200-500mg of test/dry compounds, oh and downward lighting :) 

 

And I didn't say not impressive. Said easily attainable with the length of training and drug use.

It is.

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3 minutes ago, simonboyle said:

Okay,better.

So the next question would be do you think you're carrying enough size?

As you're clearly trying to cut.

Again, I'm confused, as you seemed like you were trying to grow.

What, specifically, is your goal right now?

And that diet is pretty low. Is that where you started cutting? Or have you adjusted down?

And you're focusing on abs again.

So you want abs?

Need to pick something buddy.

 

Yes, I am 90-92kg, I think I am big enough lol. 

I am trying to loose some fat to get the shape in. But retain the muscle. Once I see where I am and what needs developing. 

I don't care about abs. 

I just eat these low calories as my digestion is slow and if I eat more I quickly gain fat around my waist so then I look terrible again. 2k seems to be my sweet spot. On this diet I am not loosing weight - I have been 90ks ish since the beginning of the year, infact, I am pretty sure I gained muscle as my weight went a bit up, and I seem to have dropped body fat also. 

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