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Just now, stargazer said:

English please.  but if you are asking about looking him up, i did look him up on the GMC register, he is registered as a GP, he is not on a specialist register.

https://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/4426594

Specialist would be endocrinologist right ? Well you clearly don’t know anything about them either becuase Iv has 4 appointments in a year and 4 didn’t endo and they all thought testosterone Enanthate is injected once evey 12 months  they also don’t agree with shbg Beijing a factor they also don’t believe that your oestrogen is a issue they also will take you off trt if you want a child and out you on hcg ... instead of understanding hcg mimics our Lh receptors and helps with facility in a sense of well-being you stick to your specialists and il praise this guy who single handle is changing how testosterone in the UK is .... his left the nhs becuaAe of there one way thinking .. also English? I ain't to great at spelling but I f**k hot bitches so it’s cool

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On 06/02/2020 at 5:31 PM, Lowtttt said:

That’s simply not true ... il give you a exsample 

 

I started off using .5ml once a week after 12 weeks I tested my testosterone and it was 21nmol

 I the split the dose tested again it was 32nmol so usin a ai will lower shbg....  so splitting does is always best 

No, it isn't.

And that means nothing.

Testing is highly variable and even things like eating and time of day impact it.

And how would you define'best'?

Better than what?

What are the benefits over one injection?

What's your proof outside of what you just stated? Which isn't proof of anything.

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On 06/02/2020 at 7:42 PM, Lowtttt said:

I said around 4.5 days it don’t matter if im

off half a day lol your telling this guy that once a week is fine .. it’s been proven time and time again shbg plays huge role in frequency and  everyone ( don’t matter if you feel good ) everyone will have peaks and troughs with just one injecting a week if you think

one injection is fine then do you but I know it’s not optimal and I know it won’t have stable blood levels as twice a week or even micro everyday 

This from someone that thinks running a blast will lose the fat.

You're wrong on pretty much every post you've put up.

Maybe try listening.

 

Easier way is from any one of the thousands of studies in steroids, provide one that supports anything you've posted.

 

Go.

We'll wait.

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On 06/02/2020 at 7:43 PM, JohnnySack said:

Clearly your plasma levels are more stable if you split the dose - it's a factual argument.

But most people on here don't think it makes the blindest bit of difference and you have to accept their experience. That's not being sarcastic - I mean it.

But I personally will always split the dose even on enanthate esters - I have no issue with pinning twice a week.

They're not more stable.

The peaks and troughs are lower.

That doesn't equal stability.

It's factually true that if you alter something twice a week it'll be less stable than altering it once.

 

So......

 

Define stability.

Also, why do you think that matters?

Lower more frequent peaks Vs higher less frequent.

Why do people seem to think stability (even though they're not getting that right) is a benefit?

Graph it for us.

Show a benefit or difference after about 3 weeks.

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On 06/02/2020 at 7:44 PM, Lowtttt said:

Also you cleary have no idea who this guy is if you legit just said this haha hiw ablut you go look jul up thje come back with that same statement 

You know that auto correct is a thing right?

Is English your first language?

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5 hours ago, simonboyle said:

They're not more stable.

The peaks and troughs are lower.

That doesn't equal stability.

It's factually true that if you alter something twice a week it'll be less stable than altering it once.

 

So......

 

Define stability.

Also, why do you think that matters?

Lower more frequent peaks Vs higher less frequent.

Why do people seem to think stability (even though they're not getting that right) is a benefit?

Graph it for us.

Show a benefit or difference after about 3 weeks.

Hey no worries I'm really not that arsed. You crack on with once a week. All the best.

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8 hours ago, simonboyle said:

They're not more stable.

The peaks and troughs are lower.

That doesn't equal stability.

It's factually true that if you alter something twice a week it'll be less stable than altering it once.

 

So......

 

Define stability.

Also, why do you think that matters?

Lower more frequent peaks Vs higher less frequent.

Why do people seem to think stability (even though they're not getting that right) is a benefit?

Graph it for us.

Show a benefit or difference after about 3 weeks.

400mg once a week vs 200 twice a week.

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11 hours ago, simonboyle said:

You know that auto correct is a thing right?

Is English your first language?

Your better than that. All your posts prior prove that. We all know the right answer to this question. Don’t result to this crap some of us Struggle  with grammar but not understanding 

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2 hours ago, Tricky said:

Your better than that. All your posts prior prove that. We all know the right answer to this question. Don’t result to this crap some of us Struggle  with grammar but not understanding 

Nah, accepting mediocrity as if it's the only option isn't cool.

As said, auto correct is a thing.

You need to actually go out your way to make a post that illegible.

And it's also banter.

Chill out.

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On 14/02/2020 at 7:48 PM, simonboyle said:

Wasn't a dig.

People just use a lot of words and terms like they mean something.

When they don't 

Bro science helps no one.

OK I'll take the bait...

You seem to equate stability as comparing the size and number of spikes.

Once a week equals double the size but half the number of spikes compared to twice a week. So they must be as stable as each other.

But stability in this context is about the least amount of variance of hormone in your system. So smaller spikes win.

It's not just words and terms. And it certainly isn't bro science either.

It's a fact.

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1 hour ago, JohnnySack said:

OK I'll take the bait...

You seem to equate stability as comparing the size and number of spikes.

Once a week equals double the size but half the number of spikes compared to twice a week. So they must be as stable as each other.

But stability in this context is about the least amount of variance of hormone in your system. So smaller spikes win.

It's not just words and terms. And it certainly isn't bro science either.

It's a fact.

"Fact"

No. That's why I said define your terms.

 

You want it to mean stable blood levels, but they aren't stable, are they, if they're spiking more often then that isn't stability.

 

Fact!

An over used word.

Fact! Lol

And again, why do you assume that it is in any way beneficial.

Assumptions are entirely bro science.

Fact!

And again, "stability" is relative to what you define it as.

I'd say less alterations is more stable. That's also a fact.

But both things can be true.

 

Get my point now?

In your kind your equating stability with lower spikes, but more frequent of hormone level. That's cool.

If you want to do that then go for it.

But to imply its better or beneficial without substantiating it is pointless.

And it's an opinion. Fact!

Not a fact. Fact!

At this point I'm fu**ing with you.

 

But people just say s**t and have no basis for it.

 

Something that is altered more often isn't more stable.

You mean the blood levels are within a shorter range.

Let me put it this way, is something that is moved only once a week more or less stable than something that is altered twice or more a week?

Words have meanings.

And bro science needs to be put in the bin.

Injecting long esters more than once a week has zero benefits.

I could point you to the hundreds, if not thousands of studies in it, the studies that led to the development and usage of the very esters we're talking about, but why?

You have an opinion. It's an inaccurate one, but like most you value that opinion.

Just know that it's entirely irrelevant in this matter.

 

Enjoy your day buddy.

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, simonboyle said:

a lot of stuff about "Facts"

I applaud your perseverance on this one we're certainly not going to agree and that's fine. Can I just check a different angle though...

If I was on 600 test / 400 deca (which isn't unusual) I'd be needing to inject at least 3ml into my arse for a single weekly hit.

I don't even have 3ml syringes ! And I wouldn't want that amount of juice in one place.

Are you single-weekly-dose chaps having to split it up across two injections and two cheeks ? Which side do you sleep on after that ?

Come and join the split-dose club and have 1.5ml in the left on Mon and 1.5ml in the right on Thu !

You know it makes sense.

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4 minutes ago, JohnnySack said:

Come and join the split-dose club and have 1.5ml in the left on Mon and 1.5ml in the right on Thu !

You can argue that smaller doses are beneficial, but you could also argue that less jabs are also better. 

Fewer jabs means less scar tissue, less chances for an abscess or infection, less chance of an inaccurate injection, less inconvenience, and so on.

I have a single 4 ml jab every 12 weeks on prescribed nebido and have zero pain, zero trouble sleeping, and zero mood swings.

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I with all honesty dont want to argue with anyone but while i prefer once or twice a week injections because i dont like pinning often, splitting the dose is better.

Is better long term for the majority of people. Not everyone is equal.

 

Is better for the people that need Ai on TRT because more frequent injections give you more stable levels and you may ditch the ai or lower the dose, so less drugs long term.

Is better for the people that hematocrit levels shoot up even at Trt doses. Not everyone are like some of you. Some people can get into the 50s in a few months.. and no you cant just dump some blood because at some point you may deplete your ferritin levels.

Many trt clinics in the US and Dr. Stevens recommending frequent injections. As frequent as ED with slin pins...  It is better wether you like it or not. I dont do it because i dont like pinning that often but its a fact

 

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4 hours ago, JohnnySack said:

I applaud your perseverance on this one we're certainly not going to agree and that's fine. Can I just check a different angle though...

If I was on 600 test / 400 deca (which isn't unusual) I'd be needing to inject at least 3ml into my arse for a single weekly hit.

I don't even have 3ml syringes ! And I wouldn't want that amount of juice in one place.

Are you single-weekly-dose chaps having to split it up across two injections and two cheeks ? Which side do you sleep on after that ?

Come and join the split-dose club and have 1.5ml in the left on Mon and 1.5ml in the right on Thu !

You know it makes sense.

If you think 3ml is a lot that's just odd. 

 

Most people have 5ml syringes.

And if it was 3ml test and deca, yes, just pin it in one go. No reason sleeping would be an issue.

And if you're happy to load up 2 syringes anyway, then just pin one after the other. Or buy larger ones. 

 

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4 hours ago, Mingster said:

You can argue that smaller doses are beneficial, but you could also argue that less jabs are also better. 

Fewer jabs means less scar tissue, less chances for an abscess or infection, less chance of an inaccurate injection, less inconvenience, and so on.

I have a single 4 ml jab every 12 weeks on prescribed nebido and have zero pain, zero trouble sleeping, and zero mood swings.

Also, there is a definite benefit to having one higher peak.

You're reaching the highest blood levels possible.

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2 hours ago, Djibril said:

I with all honesty dont want to argue with anyone but while i prefer once or twice a week injections because i dont like pinning often, splitting the dose is better.

Is better long term for the majority of people. Not everyone is equal.

 

Is better for the people that need Ai on TRT because more frequent injections give you more stable levels and you may ditch the ai or lower the dose, so less drugs long term.

Is better for the people that hematocrit levels shoot up even at Trt doses. Not everyone are like some of you. Some people can get into the 50s in a few months.. and no you cant just dump some blood because at some point you may deplete your ferritin levels.

Many trt clinics in the US and Dr. Stevens recommending frequent injections. As frequent as ED with slin pins...  It is better wether you like it or not. I dont do it because i dont like pinning that often but its a fact

 

"Better" would be something to define.

Never seen anything to support that the same overall dose soldier twice a week would have less of an impact than one injection. Or that it's more likely to cause E sides.

And you've just proven my point.

 

"It's better for most people".

We both know you have nothing outside of opinion to support that.

Again, bro science. Hearsay.

So all doses, all compounds, for all people (well most according to you).

See the issue. It's just spreading false info.

Provide one substantiating study to back that up.

Especially in this field and with try, there are no shortage of studies.

 

So now we're at

1. It's better (in what way? Better results? Less sides? The drugs work differently?)

2. It's better for most people (what percentage, most would mean the majority, so 75%? More?)

3. It's now medically the case too? So a try dose is administered more frequently to avoid hematocrit issues (when the standard and studied dosing protocol is actually monthly, see above post)

Please provide something to support any of that.

 

And we don't need to argue buddy.

It's a discussion.

 

Ijust want people to actually think about what they're saying.

Not just accept opinions as facts. They're not the same thing.

 

Await your response bud.

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48 minutes ago, simonboyle said:

"Better" would be something to define.

Never seen anything to support that the same overall dose soldier twice a week would have less of an impact than one injection. Or that it's more likely to cause E sides.

And you've just proven my point.

 

"It's better for most people".

We both know you have nothing outside of opinion to support that.

Again, bro science. Hearsay.

So all doses, all compounds, for all people (well most according to you).

See the issue. It's just spreading false info.

Provide one substantiating study to back that up.

Especially in this field and with try, there are no shortage of studies.

 

So now we're at

1. It's better (in what way? Better results? Less sides? The drugs work differently?)

2. It's better for most people (what percentage, most would mean the majority, so 75%? More?)

3. It's now medically the case too? So a try dose is administered more frequently to avoid hematocrit issues (when the standard and studied dosing protocol is actually monthly, see above post)

Please provide something to support any of that.

 

And we don't need to argue buddy.

It's a discussion.

 

Ijust want people to actually think about what they're saying.

Not just accept opinions as facts. They're not the same thing.

 

Await your response bud.

There is no evidence apart from "bro science" for either side of the story... we're using testosterone in supra physiological dosages outside of a prescription... the only information we have is what other people have experienced and animal testing... you are also not backing your statements up with anything...

You're injecting a drug into your system for it's benefit, ideally you'd would want the most amount of that drug in your system at all time while using it, i.ie 700mg of test you'd want 100mg released every day... not 300 day 1, 200 day 2, 100 day 3 etc...  which is the effect you get when you inject once a week with enath...

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