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22 year old with low T

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First of all I’d like to say I’m glad this forum exists because I wasn’t sure where to go looking for advice. I just turned 22 and I’d just like to provide a background. I went through puberty pretty early, at 11 or 12 years old and eventually grew to be 6’3’’ by the time I was 17. I also have full facial fair and a ton of body hair. To make matters more interesting I developed gynecomastia either during or slightly before puberty (hard to remember). I have a skinny fat type of frame right now. I got a blood test at 19 years old and my T was low but just above the cutoff for what is considered normal but recently I got another test and I was at 193 which is super low for any age. My sexual interest etc is all good.

Should I go on TRT?

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47 minutes ago, smashis said:

First of all I’d like to say I’m glad this forum exists because I wasn’t sure where to go looking for advice. I just turned 22 and I’d just like to provide a background. I went through puberty pretty early, at 11 or 12 years old and eventually grew to be 6’3’’ by the time I was 17. I also have full facial fair and a ton of body hair. To make matters more interesting I developed gynecomastia either during or slightly before puberty (hard to remember). I have a skinny fat type of frame right now. I got a blood test at 19 years old and my T was low but just above the cutoff for what is considered normal but recently I got another test and I was at 193 which is super low for any age. My sexual interest etc is all good.

Should I go on TRT?

What prompted you to have the blood tests in the first place?

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1 hour ago, halfbar said:

What prompted you to have the blood tests in the first place?

Symptoms.

Not able to put on musclemass, high fat/not much musclemass. Mood going up and down, with depression. Libido worse. Bad concentration. Gyno.

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What’s your diet like? Do you supplement with Vitamin D daily? How is your sleep pattern? 
 

All of these should be considered before making the step to TRT, not enough people try and sort other factors before just injecting. 

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9 hours ago, TALBOTL said:

What’s your diet like? Do you supplement with Vitamin D daily? How is your sleep pattern? 
 

All of these should be considered before making the step to TRT, not enough people try and sort other factors before just injecting. 

My diet is good, as a normal human being in my age.

Vitamin D is okay. Its good.

But what does the Vitamin D have to do with my physiqual apperance, mood swings, depression and libido?

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8 hours ago, Djibril said:

TOTAL T, Free T, E2, Prolactin, SHBG, LH, FSH, DHEA-S, FT3, FT4, TSH, Vit D.

You need to make a full hormone panel to see whats going on. Total T is not enough

Where do I do those test? Family doctor?

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21 minutes ago, smashis said:

My diet is good, as a normal human being in my age.

Vitamin D is okay. Its good.

But what does the Vitamin D have to do with my physiqual apperance, mood swings, depression and libido?

A lack of vitamin D can impact on test levels, so if you aren’t already then supplement 5,000IU daily, if you’re diet is good as you say then you should notice the difference. 

 

 

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17 hours ago, smashis said:

First of all I’d like to say I’m glad this forum exists because I wasn’t sure where to go looking for advice. I just turned 22 and I’d just like to provide a background. I went through puberty pretty early, at 11 or 12 years old and eventually grew to be 6’3’’ by the time I was 17. I also have full facial fair and a ton of body hair. To make matters more interesting I developed gynecomastia either during or slightly before puberty (hard to remember). I have a skinny fat type of frame right now. I got a blood test at 19 years old and my T was low but just above the cutoff for what is considered normal but recently I got another test and I was at 193 which is super low for any age. My sexual interest etc is all good.

Should I go on TRT?

I was the exact same only 288 at 19, even developed a little gyno during puberty,  bodyhair and beard too but low sexdrive

Low t destroyed my life until i got on trt, never going back

i sleep better, i feel better, i look better, everything is better, alot better.

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2 minutes ago, norwegianhammer said:

I was the exact same only 288 at 19, even developed a little gyno during puberty,  bodyhair and beard too but low sexdrive

Low t destroyed my life until i got on trt, never going back

i sleep better, i feel better, i look better, everything is better, alot better.

Are you norwegian too? 

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Here's the issue in my eyes.

You may well have low testosterone levels, maybe through lifestyle, maybe just bad luck, but these are things to discuss with your doctor.

Instead, you've gone straight to the steroids section of a website and asked opinions. It seems a lot like you're fishing for people to say yes, you should take steroids, for your health. That way you get to gear up and tell yourself it's the right thing to do too.

With that in mind the question you are actually asking is should I blast and cruise, because that's what will actually happen, and your low test is irrelevant to this question. 

So, 2 options.

1. If you are serious about trt, talk to your doctor.

2. If you want to take steroids then man up and make the decision for yourself, rather than trying to push it onto us to decide for you.

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It's really alarming that we're seeing more and more low T in young people. Lifestyle, environment, plastics... All playing a part. Lack of sun can also be a key underlying issue. 

TRT the way it is done in most Western countries outside of the US needs to include HCG otherwise you'll have a very low chance of conception if you start at your age. And as a traveller of this world I can say that only North America really considers this viable. 

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The problem is that getting trt here in Norway is fkn difficult. If they put you on, they will give you very low doses which kind of doesnt help.

But Il try a specialist, and see what my test says.

What do you think of the androgel?

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On 04/02/2020 at 8:59 PM, NotAMigrant said:

It's really alarming that we're seeing more and more low T in young people. Lifestyle, environment, plastics... All playing a part. Lack of sun can also be a key underlying issue. 

TRT the way it is done in most Western countries outside of the US needs to include HCG otherwise you'll have a very low chance of conception if you start at your age. And as a traveller of this world I can say that only North America really considers this viable. 

What experience do you have ? I ran gear  without HCG but when I wanted to get my wife pregnant I stopped hormones and within 3 months she's pregnant. I've done so 3 times now.

Very few people are predisposed to infertility. 

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On 06/02/2020 at 12:58 AM, Phil_tuggins said:

What experience do you have ? I ran gear  without HCG but when I wanted to get my wife pregnant I stopped hormones and within 3 months she's pregnant. I've done so 3 times now.

Very few people are predisposed to infertility. 

I have been using testosterone for well over ten years. I have run the gamut of NHS and North American Prescribed TRT and self administration regimes, as well a used it to further my gains 

I have like many, clinically low testosterone due to a primary cause. 

You don't, by the sounds of it. 

You choose to use gear. And of UK NHS and North American prescribed testosterone I have gallons of experience. 

If you don't have clinical need for test, it's quite likely you can stop and make someone pregnant. You may suffer a period of low testosterone and not feel that bothered.... But if like this young guy you have a clinical need due a primary or secondary cause, every day you spend on NHS TRT in the UK will make you even less likely to be able to make someone pregnant.  As you are there in the first place either because your lower or higher mechanisms aren't great. Neither of those scenarios is conjusive to a high sperm count, especially when you throw in longer than cycle HPTA shutdown.. 

Do you think someone with a clinically low testosterone will have a low of high sperm count.? 

The simple fact is the longer even you cycle on and off without always using HCG in fact even with it tbh most likely your count will decrease more sharply. Never mind someone with a clinical need. 

So.. In short... Not being rude... To answer your question... Probably more than you. No offense. But yeah... I'd say so. 

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On 03/02/2020 at 11:51 PM, smashis said:

First of all I’d like to say I’m glad this forum exists because I wasn’t sure where to go looking for advice. I just turned 22 and I’d just like to provide a background. I went through puberty pretty early, at 11 or 12 years old and eventually grew to be 6’3’’ by the time I was 17. I also have full facial fair and a ton of body hair. To make matters more interesting I developed gynecomastia either during or slightly before puberty (hard to remember). I have a skinny fat type of frame right now. I got a blood test at 19 years old and my T was low but just above the cutoff for what is considered normal but recently I got another test and I was at 193 which is super low for any age. My sexual interest etc is all good.

Should I go on TRT?

If you have sexuaL interest just leave the gear till you lose it. Once you inject you won’t want to go back. My balls are now oils and needles. 

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On 05/02/2020 at 11:09 PM, smashis said:

The problem is that getting trt here in Norway is fkn difficult. If they put you on, they will give you very low doses which kind of doesnt help.

But Il try a specialist, and see what my test says.

What do you think of the androgel?

What is a low dose? 

80mg split in two doses per week... Or even a 100mg won't give you as high a daily peak as androgen in my experience, however you may have an absorbtion issue caused by sun or showering or a change in your regime that may cause unexpected peaks or lows that jabs won't give you. I don't know about EU or Skandi TRT tbh, but if it's similar to UK you are unlikely to be fathering kids in your thirties if you stay on it. So... Do you need it....?... 

I was lucky in the sense my primary cause was derived from an extended period of supranatural levels from natural test in that naturally my balls were huge and then in my early forties suddenly gave up the game.  I'd spent my twenties and thirties walking around permently hard and having a really good time. Alpha male.  Naturally mascular hairy appropriately agressive and strong. Accidentally fathering. Sounds great.. Accept that unlike many... My levels collapsed naturally due to varicoceles... 

You talk about interest in sex.... To give you an idea of what that should be like due to testosterone... If your partner walks up the stairs your hard before you get to the top if you aren't drunk cruising half a dozen other chicks at the same time. 

At your age if your testosterone isn't at least 20 nmol..... Your not doing great. You won't be considered in the UK unless you are around 10 at any age. 

Personally I've grown to hate children. Lol. 

 

Get stuck in... Takes while to get it right... But you can mitigate the risks of sides by being very lean and doing any kind of compound exercise. You may... If you are lucky do away with the need for it entirely by moving out of a dark country and hitting the gym. Seriously. 

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No surprise to everybody talking crap and pushing him down the TRT route, as said in my initial post - make lifestyle changes first, more vitamin D, more red meat, better sleep, more fat in your diet and levels and mood will rise significantly - unless you’ve got an injury or genetic issues you won’t have permanent low test at your age. 

If you want to do steroids that’s a different story but if you’re looking for options try the above. 

 

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