Back when dhacks was about i mistakenly used his ugl letro with 500mg test n got gyno.
There are studies on gyno being fixed with nolvadex on long runs from 6-12 weeks (20mg) to a year (10mg). Ive been on nolva for 6 weeks but other than the puffiness, sensitivity n soreness being gone within the first 2 days not even the slightest reduction has happened.
Ill keep running nolva til i get the money for surgery but im really doubting its effectiveness on any gyno bigger than pea sized lumps. My source is also out of stock n theres rebound with serms on the estrogen receptor
I'd be interested to know and I think someone on here does report that it worked for them after many weeks - but in theory it should have no effect on reduction I'm afraid. I've heard others talk about Raloxifene having a better effect but again am unsure how it could do this. However I can report that reducing my test dose has without a doubt had an effect on my gyno - though this is more to the fact that high test is going to make it worse as opposed to a reduction in test actually reducing the lumps.
I wouldn't have spend £2000 on surgery if I could have just chugged a few boxes of side effect free serms
yes I'm aware of the tamoxifen pubertal gyno shrinkage study.
Further to this you will at best shrink the gland down to a non visible state (in most cases just smaller), surgery is the only way to remove gynecomastia
but again after months of SERMs I never successfully shrank mine to a size I was happy with
even at it's worse it was only about half the size of an almond but when very lean in certain flexed positions you could just about make it out and to me any amount of gyno is too much
so with this said if you've had/have any level of coning or severely visible gyno I'd expect your results to be even less satisfactory than mine with SERM only gyno reduction
I wouldn't have spend £2000 on surgery if I could have just chugged a few boxes of side effect free serms
yes I'm aware of the tamoxifen pubertal gyno shrinkage study.
Further to this you will at best shrink the gland down to a non visible state (in most cases just smaller), surgery is the only way to remove gynecomastia
but again after months of SERMs I never successfully shrank mine to a size I was happy with
even at it's worse it was only about half the size of an almond but when very lean in certain flexed positions you could just about make it out and to me any amount of gyno is too much
so with this said if you've had/have any level of coning or severely visible gyno I'd expect your results to be even less satisfactory than mine with SERM only gyno reduction
there isn't a rebound effect, this only happens with nonsuicide inhibiting aromatase inhibitors whereby the AI binds up with the aromtase enzyme but doesn't destroy it like exemestane does and then when you cease usage your body has not only continued to produce aromatase but all that bound aromatase is suddenly freed up resulting in a rebound.
all that happens with serms is they block the receptor in the breast site so if you do not get e2 under control when you cease usage you're right back where you started with elevated e2 and an open receptor on the breast
so it's not a rebound you're just repermitting access to the elevated oestrogen that you never addressed.
there isn't a rebound effect, this only happens with nonsuicide inhibiting aromatase inhibitors whereby the AI binds up with the aromtase enzyme but doesn't destroy it like exemestane does and then when you cease usage your body has not only continued to produce aromatase but all that bound aromatase is suddenly freed up resulting in a rebound.
all that happens with serms is they block the receptor in the breast site so if you do not get e2 under control when you cease usage you're right back where you started with elevated e2 and an open receptor on the breast
so it's not a rebound you're just repermitting access to the elevated oestrogen that you never addressed.
I think this is an important point. Unless you want to run AI / SERM (which I don't) then keeping anything which aromatises low makes a big difference.
I would never run high test or take dbol ever again.
Raloxifene is a lot better, i had gyno from puberty which got worse from years of gear use and i managed to reverse it with 3 months of ralox 60mg per day. I was surprised because the gyno i had had been there for years. Its never gone completely but its like 90% reduced .
Yes used gram of test and 50mg dbol ed shortly after with no AI or serm having previously required 7mg arimidex per week for a gram of test in order to prevent nipple irritation and eventual inflammation
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