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Who are you voting for in the election tomorrow?

Who are you voting for in the election tomorrow?  

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  1. 1. Who are you voting for in the election tomorrow?

    • Labour
    • Conservatives
    • Liberal Democrats
    • Other party
    • Not voting, they're all as bad as each other.

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  • Poll closed on 12/12/19 at 11:33 AM

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4 hours ago, Stinking Dylan said:

I've always voted conservative, but it'll be lib dem for me this time.

I wish I could believe Corbyns dream, but as far as I can tell, that's all it is and some of it is laughable. Tories have always been the most sensible to me, even though some of their policies are harsh medicine. But they are also responsible for Brexit which I'm struggling to forgive them for.

But, I'm currently homeless and still haven't received my voting card even though I registered weeks ago... :(

This is one way of conveniently keeping voting turnout lower. Some people are moving house every 6 months and barely touching down. That plus long hours and a severely tory biased press and you have a recipe for low turnouts and turkeys voting for Christmas.

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53 minutes ago, Fattynomore said:

National debt was only ever going to up, there is no chance of ever paying  that back. 

NHS, child benefits and welfare state and the way the system is run it was never going to sustainable. 

Regardless who's in it will the same old

No chance of paying it back but equally there's no need to double it every 9 years either (when so called "incompetent" labour managed to keep it remarkably stable despite the banking crisis) whilst all the way cutting services to the bone. Disabled people on deaths door have been hassled to go to work, kids are in increasing poverty, ill people having to sleep on coats whilst waiting in hospitals and we don't even have a lower national debt to show for it. I'm not saying it will be rosy under labour but it will improve for the working man who earns under 40k a year.

Once again I would like to see what data you have to support the idea that a welfare state and national heath service isn't sustainable.

The below study is one of many which find year after year that the NHS is among the most cost effective systems in the developed world, saving more lives per pound spent than almost any other system. Conversely a private system like America is among the least effecient.

https://www.bmj.com/content/343/bmj.d5143

 

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1 hour ago, dmsknk said:

Corbyn and Mcdonell are IRA/terrorist sympathisers and the less said about Abbot the better. How could any proud Brit vote for a man who supported the IRA? 

And the Tories supported Nelson Mandela being locked up for decades, supported apartheid in south Africa and they described him as being a "dirty little terrorist".

Peace can only be brought about by bringing together both sides and working it out. There is no evidence that Corbyn or mcdonnel condoned what the IRA/ Hezbollah/ Hamas have done but they as well as many other politicians have met with representatives of those terrorist groups to broker peace. Corbyn recently won the Mcbride award from the  International Peace Bureau. I would value this far higher than 100 stories from the likes of the sun, daily mail and the telegraph. The whole "terrorist sympathiser" narrative has been a smear campaign based on conjecture against a man with an impeccable voting record and a life dedicated to peace.

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4 minutes ago, charlysays said:

And the Tories supported Nelson Mandela being locked up for decades, supported apartheid in south Africa and they described him as being a "dirty little terrorist".

Peace can only be brought about by bringing together both sides and working it out. There is no evidence that Corbyn or mcdonnel condoned what the IRA/ Hezbollah/ Hamas have done but they as well as many other politicians have met with representatives of those terrorist groups to broker peace. Corbyn recently won the Mcbride award from the  International Peace Bureau. I would value this far higher than 100 stories from the likes of the sun, daily mail and the telegraph. The whole "terrorist sympathiser" narrative has been a smear campaign based on conjecture against a man with an impeccable voting record and a life dedicated to peace.

I would say their quotes proved condonement. 

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6 minutes ago, charlysays said:

There is no evidence that Corbyn or mcdonnel condoned what the IRA/ Hezbollah/ Hamas have done but they as well as many other politicians have met with representatives of those terrorist groups to broker peace. The whole "terrorist sympathiser" narrative has been a smear campaign based on conjecture against a man with an impeccable voting record and a life dedicated to peace.

the simple fact he absolutely refuses to condemn what they've done says it all for me .. he has been asked outright, under no uncertain circumstances whether he condemns their actions, and when put off the initial question with some dribble, asked again to answer the question, but he never has.. if you cant condemn a terrorist group, you're condoning them,

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1 hour ago, charlysays said:

No chance of paying it back but equally there's no need to double it every 9 years either (when so called "incompetent" labour managed to keep it remarkably stable despite the banking crisis) whilst all the way cutting services to the bone. Disabled people on deaths door have been hassled to go to work, kids are in increasing poverty, ill people having to sleep on coats whilst waiting in hospitals and we don't even have a lower national debt to show for it. I'm not saying it will be rosy under labour but it will improve for the working man who earns under 40k a year.

Once again I would like to see what data you have to support the idea that a welfare state and national heath service isn't sustainable.

The below study is one of many which find year after year that the NHS is among the most cost effective systems in the developed world, saving more lives per pound spent than almost any other system. Conversely a private system like America is among the least effecient.

https://www.bmj.com/content/343/bmj.d5143

 

You are dilusional if you think anything is going to improve, regardless who gets in. The country is skint, who do you think is going to feel the pinch? Regards to being unsustainable, again simple economics, too many people taking out more than they put in due to fcuked  up system. 

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I'll be voting comrade Corbyn.

(Well, not really, as I don't live in Islington).

It astounds me how people still believe that the ongoing austerity is still the fault of Labour.  Tories have had nine year's to fix it now. (that's ignoring the fact Labour didn't cause it, although I do blame them somewhat. Although it was global, they were pretty reckless too).

If they're so capable of fixing Labour's mess, what are they waiting for?

Tell a lie often enough and people will believe it. The lie is that Tories are good with the economy and Labour aren't.

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5 hours ago, Fattynomore said:

The welfare state is a joke, it should never be more viable to receive handouts than work for a living. The country was bankrupted due to simple economics, don't spend what you don't have, they banked on the boom continuing, it didn't.  Labour want  to borrow more to keep building, nothing been learned from the last time. I'm Scottish by the way so the torys don't exactly sit well with me but compared to the rest including snp they are best of a bad bunch

Theres no such thing as simple economics, and there hasn't been for some time. Don't spend what you don't have is historic retoric, which has no place in today's society. It's also highly hypocritical given that most people are severely indebted in life; mortgages, 'finance' on goods, contracts, student 'loans' all forms of debt. Nobody contends that you should only spend what you have, it just isn't realistic. 

You've stated that Labour did nothing for the working classes - the welfare state is aimed at providing subsistence to working class families - so I'm not really sure what your point is here , that you don't agree with the welfare state? Perhaps a system like America's would be better suited to the problems Scotland faces- where university & healthcare is free. 

 

I do understand why you'd vote Tory though, after all; 20191212_143323.thumb.jpg.9a85628f02c08f01870c076849a9e45a.jpg

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31 minutes ago, Test-e said:

Theres no such thing as simple economics, and there hasn't been for some time. Don't spend what you don't have is historic retoric, which has no place in today's society. It's also highly hypocritical given that most people are severely indebted in life; mortgages, 'finance' on goods, contracts, student 'loans' all forms of debt. Nobody contends that you should only spend what you have, it just isn't realistic. 

You've stated that Labour did nothing for the working classes - the welfare state is aimed at providing subsistence to working class families - so I'm not really sure what your point is here , that you don't agree with the welfare state? Perhaps a system like America's would be better suited to the problems Scotland faces- where university & healthcare is free. 

 

I do understand why you'd vote Tory though, after all; 20191212_143323.thumb.jpg.9a85628f02c08f01870c076849a9e45a.jpg

Don't agree with this and that's why the country is crippled with debt. I have debt purely because its that cheap to borrow it suits me, I also have a cut off point where I would stop borrowing.

I also save a fair bit every month as well and I really wanted to be frugal I could easily double that if I wanted, so pretty ignorant to say it isn't realistic when it is, if I can't afford it I won't have it. 

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1 hour ago, Fattynomore said:

Don't agree with this and that's why the country is crippled with debt. I have debt purely because its that cheap to borrow it suits me, I also have a cut off point where I would stop borrowing.

I also save a fair bit every month as well and I really wanted to be frugal I could easily double that if I wanted, so pretty ignorant to say it isn't realistic when it is, if I can't afford it I won't have it. 

Well, the way people in London are living on rented houses, given by landlord with 342342 people inside, clearly points out that not everyone is willing to ''borrow''money just so he can have a house and a sky high debt for a building older than my grandmother.

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I've been a conservative supporter since about the age of 14, before I got mentally ill which changed me in many ways I even was involved with the tories at a local level. I was in conservative future.... went to party conferences. 

It all changed for me when cameron took over and tried to  'detoxify' the party. remember all that hugging hoodies rubbish in the news? I have always been too the right, believe in hanging, Iam not keen on two blokes shagging each other,I never believed this country should be in the EU,because we have a very different history and culture to the countries on the continent. 

, I don't believe homosexuality  should be banned and people go to prison like the old days but it shouldn't be encouraged. Cameron brought in gay marriage , I actually wasn't against that,but it was the general attitude of the party towards social conservatism that rankled with me. 

The he got into power and  I didn't like the way his government hunted disability benefit claimants. When ever he was challenged on it,he would use his disabled son ivan who is now dead as a kind of shield,ie 'how dare you challenge me when I have a disabled son myself' etc etc. That to me is as low as you can go, using your own children to stave off people questionining how unfair he was being to the most vulnerable in society. 

Something else changed since the tories took over, something else that rankles with me. I see so many homeless people on the streets, I know it's a complicated problem, and it's probably not all down to the tories but I think it makes our country look bad to have town centres around the country looking like a scene from the tv show walking dead especially at night . Iam not saying the solution to it, is throwing money at it in all cases but it's something we as a country should be ashamed of. We are the 5th richest country in the world.... 

 

I predicted the election of donald trump,made that prediction when almost everyone thought it was a joke,trumps election was a reaction to anger and discontent amongst poor white people  that had been in many states in the US , I first noticed this years before trump when a politician called sarah  palin for a short while was able to rabble rouse but in a more limited way before the media sent 'lawyers' and 'researchers' to alaska to destroy her candidacy . The media is not neutral at all these days, they don't even pretend to be now. Thats why it rankles me to have to have a tv licence ,as the BBC is certainly not impartial. But thats another discussion. 

,I wish I was a betting man as I would have won a lot of money but thanks to my mental illness I cannot visit places easily so I never did .  all the media didn't just not want him to be president ,they despised him as a person.I now see the same media doing the same to corbyn, 

 

The two men are different, these are different circumstances in many ways but it tempts me to simply vote for corbyn leaving  aside what I think of labour just because the usual suspects don't like him. 

I don't expect labour to win, but Iam going to vote for corybyn  for the first time ever out of anger at the tories not being  the party I was proud to support anymore. They have changed not me. Where they have gone left, I have remained right and where I was always on the left on certain issues they have gone to the right. They have embraced liberalism economically but have also fought for the centre ground on social issues. Iam an ideologue, principles are more important to me than getting elected the conservative party is no longer conservative in my view. Iam also voting corbyn because clearly the establishment don't want him near number ten. Corbyn also made a remark about having a homeless family stay at chequers, I don't believe it will happen regardless of if he wins, but to me there is a certain poetic justice in that remark. 

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Just  been to cast my vote, was a bit disappointed there's no monster raving loony party candidate but then thought, there probably a bit obsolete these days, given whose running the tories and labour at the moment. 

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30 minutes ago, Denied said:

Just  been to cast my vote, was a bit disappointed there's no monster raving loony party candidate but then thought, there probably a bit obsolete these days, given whose running the tories and labour at the moment. 

We have a candidate in our area. I was quite surprised, never had one before.

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11 hours ago, Fattynomore said:

The welfare state is a joke, it should never be more viable to receive handouts than work for a living. The country was bankrupted due to simple economics, don't spend what you don't have, they banked on the boom continuing, it didn't.  Labour want  to borrow more to keep building, nothing been learned from the last time. I'm Scottish by the way so the torys don't exactly sit well with me but compared to the rest including snp they are best of a bad bunch

Lay down Daily Mail mate and do a bit of critical thinking

It's genuinely worrying and embarrassing how many people on this forum are pro Tory after everything that's happened in the last 10 years

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5 minutes ago, Malin said:

Lay down Daily Mail mate and do a bit of critical thinking

It's genuinely worrying and embarrassing how many people on this forum are pro Tory after everything that's happened in the last 10 years

 

I find it more concerning that people think Labour are the solution! As for the Welfare post, my sister-in-law at the time left the Jobcentre having been told not to get PT work because she’d be worse off financially. That is the joke of a situation we ended up in last time Labour gave it a shot, albeit they weren’t extreme socialists last time around. And no, I’m not a Tory, but in a Country where 70% or so of the voting population blindly vote Labour or Tory, there’s no point issuing a vote elsewhere. I just find Labour supporters shove their opinions down peoples throats a lot more than Tory voters.

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16 hours ago, Test-e said:

 

Let us not forget that is was the  Tories whom called the referendum, and when the results came in, their main man at the helm abandoned ship. Moreover, the referendum itself was frought with many now debunked  mistruths- on funding to the EU, the NHS etc. by the leave camp. & there was never any real discussion on what terms we should leave - indeed something leave campaigners still cannot decide upon.

They called the referendum, not because they wanted out of europe - but because they were scared of the growing tide of support for UKIP.  They put party over country, and there has been utter chaos ever since. 

Give the true demographic of people on here - working class, I'm quite frankly amazed at the overwhelmingly support for the tory party; a party run by the rich, for the rich. Not since Thatcher has there been so much disparity in wealth, and party allegainces, on here and in the country itself. 

We live in a truly global age, issues affecting us today did not affect us years ago; notably the advances in technology - that threatens billions of jobs and the dangers of climate change. The only way to tackle such problems reasonably, is through international cooperation through strong political bodies ( the EU ). You cannot possibly hope to solve either of them nationally; which part explains why nationalists either deny the existence of climate change - because it offers no answer, or ignores the issue entirely.

...I could go on, but I'd bore everyone, so...

In short, I'm voting Lib-Dem, because their leader has a consistent track record on the EU.

Respectfully, i have to disagree.

Let us also not forget that nobody....not a single, solitary citizen of this nation.... has ever voted to join the EU. Nor were they even asked.

As for the mistruths during the referendum, both sides were equally guilty in this regard. Still waiting for the immediate recession, the collapse of sterling, the emergency budget, the tax rises, the pensions shortfall if we dared to vote to leave. Forgive me if i don't hold my breath!

I recall plenty of discussion on what terms we should leave. I listened intently to both sides of the argument, and when David Cameron said time and time again that a vote to leave would mean leaving both the single market and the customs union, i took him at his word. I also believed him when he said again and again that our decision was final and the government would implement the wishes of the people.

If there has been chaos since the referendum, it has certainly not been caused by the result. It has been caused by Parliament's inability, or more accurately, unwillingness to represent the people who elected them and implement their decision. 

I'm not a natural Tory. I voted for Corbs last time. I like the stance on the NHS, schools, social care, and making the rich pay their fair share of taxes like you and i have to. I also liked the fact that he promised to respect the result of the referendum. Unfortunately, he has failed to do this, so i can support him and his party no longer.

I agree with you that international cooperation is vital to navigate through the challenges we currently face, but cooperation doesn't have to mean bending over and getting shafted. Neither does it have to come at the expense of the ability of this nation to govern itself. Whilst we will have to play our part in tackling climate change, i don't think it's climate denial to point out that we can only do so much, and that China and India will have to drastically reduce carbon emissions if any progress is to be made. I don't see anyone, international cooperation or not, with a sensible and realistic plan of how we are to convince them to do this. Pouting isn't gonna fix the problem, Greta!

It's one of the great ironies of modern politics that the Lib Dems are neither liberal nor democratic. As someone who is both, i respect your views, your right to express them at the ballot box, and the absolute need for the will of the electorate to be carried out by our elected representatives. It's both a shame and a disgrace that Jo Swinson can't say the same.

Hypothetically, should the Lib Dems win 52% of the seats today, they should form the next government. I would be truly disgusted if the Tories ignored the result of this hypothetical election outcome and continued to govern for three years. It would be utterly anti-democratic and i could never support this.

Regardless of tomorrow's outcome, i wish you & yours health, wealth and happiness! :thumb

 

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2 hours ago, Varg said:

We have a candidate in our area. I was quite surprised, never had one before.

Yeah you don't here much about them these days, which is odd, as I would have thought the current political environment would be perfect for them, for a protest vote against the established parties. 

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59 minutes ago, Malin said:

Lay down Daily Mail mate and do a bit of critical thinking

It's genuinely worrying and embarrassing how many people on this forum are pro Tory after everything that's happened in the last 10 years

Did you read the last bit? I ain't pro Tory but out of what's on offer they are the best option imo. 

Critical thinking, aye OK mate cause I think I own about 60% of my house, can comfortably use borrowing as a tool and if needed could pay off all debt tomorrow with savings. Now where's the daily mail. 

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1 hour ago, Big Ian said:

Excellent posts @Fattynomore couldn’t have said it better myself.

voting tory myself but the vote is closed for some reason?

Thanks mate, what I've learned no matter who is in charge they ain't going change my life for the better, so I do the best I can for my family, again simple economics work hard and live within your means. I'm not rich by any means but live comfortable albeit a modest lifestyle. 

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7 minutes ago, Denied said:

Surly, this is the end of Corbyn. You can't lose this badly and stay.

I fvcking hope so. I’ve voted Labour all my life but this guy has been a fvcking millstone round the party’s neck. Can’t believe we will now have a Conservative government of the basis of a manifesto that is simply about undoing the sh1t they have done to the country over the last 9 years! 

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