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Don't be 'that guy'.

I do my best to help people out based on both my experience over the last 10 years or so of both training, nutrition and later, steroid use. I don't confess to know it all. On occasion, if the person has the right attitude, I will coach people. I need to make clear, I don't do this to generate any form of income. I often offer to do it free of charge because I enjoy it and people have helped me in the past. My revenue streams have little to do with bodybuilding.

However....

I recently offered to help a friend (for free) whom I had previously competed against (and beat) as he doesn't have a great deal of money and was in a bad place. For context, he had competed a couple of months back and had gone completely cold turkey post show due to his lack of disposable income. He would often hire a coach for 6-8 weeks of his prep, then drop them post show. That's fine, each to their own. But immediately post show is probably one of the times of year where you need to pay closest attention to your health.

He was yo'yo dieting, struggling to deal with getting softer and wasn't in a good place mentally. Having spent some time talking to him he revealed the fact he had gone cold turkey and divulged his drug protocol pre-contest. I won't go into specifics, but there was a lot of thyroid hormone and no AI until 2 weeks pre-contest at a rather high dose. It was fairly obvious what was probably going on hormonally. When i asked him about his bloodwork he then revealed that in the last 5 years of competing, he had never, ever, had bloodwork done.

This is just plain stupid, irresponsible and largely selfish when you have a young family. Contests will come and go. You're health will not. It is paramount. Don't be that guy.

If you cannot afford to get bloodwork at least once a year (or are too afraid to go to your GP (do not mention steroid use)), but are spending money on tren, orals, growth hormone, SARMs... then you are an idiot. Plain and simple.

If you cannot afford to keep on top of health post show, do not compete. Don't be that guy.

Another example is a 19 year old i speak to who is based in the states. He is on a phenomenal amount of drugs with no fixed source of income. He recently asked me for advice for looking 'as shredded as possible' for a Halloween party.... I mean.... I literally face palmed. But look, that's fine, he was going as the bearded bloke from the film 300 (i know they all have beards, Gerard Butler). So he wanted to be shirtless. 

My initial advice was 'get leaner'. Anyway, I gave him a basic carb depletion protocol with sodium / potassium manipulation to dry him out. I later found out he used dyazide instead and had severe edema following the party. Don't be that guy.

My point here is, and I've been there so don't get me wrong, people need to get their priorities straight. You cannot keep hammering drugs at silly doses and not expect it to have a deleterious effect on your health. Even worse if you are not getting bloodwork to at least know what's going on.

I do see a lot of guys here getting bloodwork and many have sent me there results asking for input. That's a great approach. But if you fall into the other category of bodybuilding or fitness hobbiest, please take a good hard look at what you are doing.

TRT or cruising in your early twenties is not sensible. If you want to be competitive, cycle 2-3 times a year and test the waters at a local or regional show. Validate whether you 'have it'. Most of us don't, whether that be physically or mentally.

In 10 year your outlook will be different to now. In 20 years it will change again. Look ahead, not at right now.

Don't be that guy.

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Very sensible post, I understand the whole each to their own principle - I'm also a very selfish person so I don't really care about others. 

I will NEVER understand why somebody in their early 20s wants to cruise or do TRT for life, unless they have a condition or severe low test - I see so many people who crash their own test levels initially and then cruise at about 15-20nmols, when realistically they would have been there without the use of any AAS, 

The fact is people get lazy and can't be bothered to PCT so just stay on, I appreciate you'll lose some of the gains and need to train hard and eat well to maintain what you can (again something a lot of people don't want to do as AAS are used as a crutch)  I understand when the kids are here and you're older but for people in their early 20s it's absurd and more often than not isn't required. 

The amount of people that come on here  to say help X is happening/has happened whilst on cycle because they don't research beforehand and during is increasing too.

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Completely understand your point. I dont understasnd a lot of people too, they seem to believe that nothing bad will happen to them until its too late. Guys with year round fried HDL levels, hematocrit levels over 55, high BP among other things. Like you said not running bloodwork.. What a stupid thing to do.

There are even some stupid people stating "Id rather live like a lion for 40 years then like a sheep for 80" lol.. Thats when they are 18 of course.

Im on TRT for life at the age of 29 but was not AAS related, i was not functioning properly and its been helping a lot so in that scenario, someone who needs TRT no matter the age, it will really help with the quality of life and i highly recommend it

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7 minutes ago, Djibril said:

Completely understand your point. I dont understasnd a lot of people too, they seem to believe that nothing bad will happen to them until its too late. Guys with year round fried HDL levels, hematocrit levels over 55, high BP among other things. Like you said not running bloodwork.. What a stupid thing to do.

There are even some stupid people stating "Id rather live like a lion for 40 years then like a sheep for 80" lol.. Thats when they are 18 of course.

Im on TRT for life at the age of 29 but was not AAS related, i was not functioning properly and its been helping a lot so in that scenario, someone who needs TRT no matter the age, it will really help with the quality of life and i highly recommend it

Elaborate on this if you don't mind? is it a condition or just that you felt a bit down? a lot of people say this, automatically link it to low T and use as an excuse to take AAS (not aiming this at you, but I'm interested to hear the reasons why, especially for younger people)

There are even people who take 'TRT' without having their levels tested! Purely and simply because they tell themselves it's the solution! 

 

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26 minutes ago, Bensif said:

Don't be 'that guy'.

I do my best to help people out based on both my experience over the last 10 years or so of both training, nutrition and later, steroid use. I don't confess to know it all. On occasion, if the person has the right attitude, I will coach people. I need to make clear, I don't do this to generate any form of income. I often offer to do it free of charge because I enjoy it and people have helped me in the past. My revenue streams have little to do with bodybuilding.

However....

I recently offered to help a friend (for free) whom I had previously competed against (and beat) as he doesn't have a great deal of money and was in a bad place. For context, he had competed a couple of months back and had gone completely cold turkey post show due to his lack of disposable income. He would often hire a coach for 6-8 weeks of his prep, then drop them post show. That's fine, each to their own. But immediately post show is probably one of the times of year where you need to pay closest attention to your health.

He was yo'yo dieting, struggling to deal with getting softer and wasn't in a good place mentally. Having spent some time talking to him he revealed the fact he had gone cold turkey and divulged his drug protocol pre-contest. I won't go into specifics, but there was a lot of thyroid hormone and no AI until 2 weeks pre-contest at a rather high dose. It was fairly obvious what was probably going on hormonally. When i asked him about his bloodwork he then revealed that in the last 5 years of competing, he had never, ever, had bloodwork done.

This is just plain stupid, irresponsible and largely selfish when you have a young family. Contests will come and go. You're health will not. It is paramount. Don't be that guy.

If you cannot afford to get bloodwork at least once a year (or are too afraid to go to your GP (do not mention steroid use)), but are spending money on tren, orals, growth hormone, SARMs... then you are an idiot. Plain and simple.

If you cannot afford to keep on top of health post show, do not compete. Don't be that guy.

Another example is a 19 year old i speak to who is based in the states. He is on a phenomenal amount of drugs with no fixed source of income. He recently asked me for advice for looking 'as shredded as possible' for a Halloween party.... I mean.... I literally face palmed. But look, that's fine, he was going as the bearded bloke from the film 300 (i know they all have beards, Gerard Butler). So he wanted to be shirtless. 

My initial advice was 'get leaner'. Anyway, I gave him a basic carb depletion protocol with sodium / potassium manipulation to dry him out. I later found out he used dyazide instead and had severe edema following the party. Don't be that guy.

My point here is, and I've been there so don't get me wrong, people need to get their priorities straight. You cannot keep hammering drugs at silly doses and not expect it to have a deleterious effect on your health. Even worse if you are not getting bloodwork to at least know what's going on.

I do see a lot of guys here getting bloodwork and many have sent me there results asking for input. That's a great approach. But if you fall into the other category of bodybuilding or fitness hobbiest, please take a good hard look at what you are doing.

TRT or cruising in your early twenties is not sensible. If you want to be competitive, cycle 2-3 times a year and test the waters at a local or regional show. Validate whether you 'have it'. Most of us don't, whether that be physically or mentally.

In 10 year your outlook will be different to now. In 20 years it will change again. Look ahead, not at right now.

Don't be that guy.

good post, we have all made mistakes and failed to listen I know I have and still do to some extent but you need to learn from them and hope the mistakes you make don't screw you for your life. 

I worked as PT years ago before it was fashionable, and still happy to help or coach people now I don't charge like you, and offer experience based as well as knowledge based but when it comes to drugs etc none of us are experts so we give sensible advice from both experience and what we knowledge we have gained.   most of the youngsters don't want to hear you say don't do this much or don't take this. 

this also goes to the doses thread on here as and example, no one wants to listen.  

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9 minutes ago, TALBOTL said:

Elaborate on this if you don't mind? is it a condition or just that you felt a bit down? a lot of people say this, automatically link it to low T and use as an excuse to take AAS (not aiming this at you, but I'm interested) 

 

I have only done one cycle in my life 7 years ago at the age of 22 but i also have my pre cycle bloodwork. What i mean is that it was not hypogonadism caused by the AAS cycle itself, i had low test levels and they got a bit lower 7 years later.

I understand what you are saying, i hear a lot of people on TRT groups that seem to have mental issues, depression, anxiety and other things and believe that just getting on TRT will magically solve their problems and a  few months later they are so worried because they dont feel "optimal".

That is not exactly my case, appart from libido which had taken a hit, energy levels, fatigue, by the afternoon i was very tired, some things i never experienced before, moodiness. Again i didnt ifnd that as an excuse to be a couch potato, i had done whatever i needed to even though i didnt feel great most of the time. 

The thing with test levels in my case is that your mind is quite strong and can adapt to every situation you encounter. You start getting used to feeling different and while you may know something is not ok, you just repeat in your mind, im good i will do what i have to do.

Giving an example of what i mean i had a back issue as well last year. I went to a sport physiotherapist for a couple of months for some back issues i had. She asked me dont you feel pain? and i told her no, not at all. 3 weeks after therapies in the afternoon i feel my back light as f**k, completely fresh and different and i realized that i really felt fu**ing pain in my back for many years, specially after midday and i had to lay down flat for it to relax, but i got used to it and didnt pay much attention.

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where does the line get drawn though.

I dont need to be big or strong. I dont compete. the gym or juice does not play any sort of role in the support of myself or my family.

But i still use....

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4 minutes ago, GMme said:

where does the line get drawn though.

I dont need to be big or strong. I dont compete. the gym or juice does not play any sort of role in the support of myself or my family.

But i still use....

The point Bensif is making is that if you are going to use then do it sensibly and pay for the correct medical tests, adequate food and supplementation that are required when using, people will spend X amount on gear but then turn round and said they can't afford an £80 blood test or don't wan to spend X amount on supplements. 

My personal stance and it is just that, the only reason I would touch steroids is if I was to compete any other reason for me personally would be purely for ego reasons which is not the right way to do things, if most people using were honest with themselves they don't to use and the only reason they do is to make up for bad training and or diet.

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Great posts and i think we have all been that guy until something don't feel right, 

I only posted a few days back about my blood results and i only did the bloods as i was feeling s**t, bloods proved i was not doing and taking all precautions however i did take the enhanced test that showed RBC and without that i would have still been in the dark 

 

Take the full blood test as steroids just dont affect hormones it has other bigger implications 

 

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7 minutes ago, Sasnak said:

https://www.forthwithlife.co.uk

I think the medichecks trt well-being package is better depending on what you want, however 

At the risk of me misunderstanding, have you checked Medichecks @Sasnak ? I only mention that as it appears they are a lot cheaper than the above. Therefore more money for rugby kit and electrical tape!

 

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25 minutes ago, TALBOTL said:

At the risk of me misunderstanding, have you checked Medichecks @Sasnak ? I only mention that as it appears they are a lot cheaper than the above. Therefore more money for rugby kit and electrical tape!

 

Yes, medichecks are generally cheaper but I did get a forthwithlife discount code last time I used them 

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