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300mg Test E per week

200mg Tren E per week 

400mg Mast E per week 

Been on 20mg Nolvadex for a few months to get rid of a gyno lump I had. That’s gone now. 

0.5 Adex once a week

caber 0.5 Tuesday/ Friday

what do you guys think it is? If I get a blood test on tren won’t it give false estrogen readings so pointless?

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44 minutes ago, Sasnak said:

I believe what you stated to be correct re bloods for e2. Not sure about prolactin/progesterone though. Perhaps others can comment. 

Below bro-science guide may assist:

http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums/steroid-articles/59096-estrogen-handbook

I only started taking the 0.5 adex last week. I’m pretty sure it’s high estrogen I’m very watery at the moment. 

Might try and do 0.5 adex on each jab day so would be twice a week.

Im not sure if you can lower your prolactin too much to lower sex drive? 

How much adex would you do on 300mg Test per week? I’m very sensitive to estrogen also 

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2 hours ago, MrGRoberts said:

How much adex would you do on 300mg Test per week? I’m very sensitive to estrogen also 

I’ve never run any. I used to run mainly orals up to 8 weeks (usually 6) off for the same amount of time and repeat. Sounds ridiculous now but that was back in the day, I’m 45 now. Only ever done low dose test with deca and mast. Only ever had issues with dbol which gave me gyno.

Ai is user dependent so you’ve just got to find your sweet spot. If it was me I’d probably up adex to .5 m/w/f

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4 minutes ago, Sasnak said:

I’ve never run any. I used to run mainly orals up to 8 weeks (usually 6) off for the same amount of time and repeat. Sounds ridiculous now but that was back in the day, I’m 45 now. Only ever done low dose test with deca and mast. Only ever had issues with dbol which gave me gyno.

Ai is user dependent so you’ve just got to find your sweet spot. If it was me I’d probably up adex to .5 m/w/f

Yeah think I’ll just increase it to 0.5 on jab days Tuesday & Friday for now see how that goes. If not will increase to 0.5 M/W/F

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I’m on similar cycle oils wise but 450 mg tren & without the adex, caber and nolva. Hard to pick as you’ve got a lot going on there with a lotta potential for things to go wrong when all mixed together. Ummm, I’d start by upping the adex and take it from there.

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54 minutes ago, mannersjay said:

I’m on similar cycle oils wise but 450 mg tren & without the adex, caber and nolva. Hard to pick as you’ve got a lot going on there with a lotta potential for things to go wrong when all mixed together. Ummm, I’d start by upping the adex and take it from there.

I’m thinking my estrogen is a bit high as I’m very estrogen sensitive so will increase and see 

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Like Sparkey said you’ll be just guessing without a blood test. I know you said you’re sensitive to estrogen but the problem could be prolactin due to tren and adex wont lower your prolactin levels only your estrogen. And taking too much adex will lower your estrogen levels and imagine if you’re prolactin is too high? You’re gonna crash big time. I’m not mega experienced but just giving you my opinion. Get some blood test done if possible and go from there. I know the dose of tren you’re taking is low but we never, everyone reacts differently to different compounds.

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4 minutes ago, Smitch said:

Waiting for @Heavyassweights to request pics of missus.

Standard UKM procedure.

Standard.

OP in all seriousness, you do need a blood test to heck both E2 and prolactin levels.

The problem as you say, some tests, tren provides a false E2 reading due to how it's measured.

Medichecks falls within this caterogry.

Remember (despite a few outliers it seems), if you have high E2 which has resulted in high prolactin, just bringing down that's E2 won't do anything now, it's too late.

So you have a few options.

1) Incorporate more of both an AI and caber/prami at a lowish dose and assess how you feel after a week or so.

2) drop tren, wait for it to clear and then get a blood test hoping for an accurate E2 and prolactin reading

3) get a full blood panel now, knowing that your E2 will be false but you may get your answer from the prolactin. Then you incorporate your caber.

This is why it's important before incorporating any 19-no to be completely comfortable with both your test and AI dose so you know beforehand your E2 is within optimal range. For example, I just do 125-150mg test year around (blast or cruise) and know it keeps my E2 perfect without any AI. Therefore during blasts I know it's never my E2 (I don't use other aromatising compounds like dbol) and have a much more accurate picture of what's going on.

Personally I'd do option 1 and 3 and see if you can get it resolved with some tweaking.

Cialis and proviron can help short term but that's just a mask not fixing the actual issue

.Good luck 

(but in all seriousness, get a hotter woman).

@MrGRoberts

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1 hour ago, Devil said:

Standard.

OP in all seriousness, you do need a blood test to heck both E2 and prolactin levels.

The problem as you say, some tests, tren provides a false E2 reading due to how it's measured.

Medichecks falls within this caterogry.

Remember (despite a few outliers it seems), if you have high E2 which has resulted in high prolactin, just bringing down that's E2 won't do anything now, it's too late.

So you have a few options.

1) Incorporate more of both an AI and caber/prami at a lowish dose and assess how you feel after a week or so.

2) drop tren, wait for it to clear and then get a blood test hoping for an accurate E2 and prolactin reading

3) get a full blood panel now, knowing that your E2 will be false but you may get your answer from the prolactin. Then you incorporate your caber.

This is why it's important before incorporating any 19-no to be completely comfortable with both your test and AI dose so you know beforehand your E2 is within optimal range. For example, I just do 125-150mg test year around (blast or cruise) and know it keeps my E2 perfect without any AI. Therefore during blasts I know it's never my E2 (I don't use other aromatising compounds like dbol) and have a much more accurate picture of what's going on.

Personally I'd do option 1 and 3 and see if you can get it resolved with some tweaking.

Cialis and proviron can help short term but that's just a mask not fixing the actual issue

.Good luck 

(but in all seriousness, get a hotter woman).

@MrGRoberts

I’m taking caber 0.5. Tuesday & Friday and only on 200mg tren. My prolactin definately isn’t high.

its my estrogen I’m sure of it. Just gonna up the adex and go from there.

regarding the woman comment. Think I’ll pass, thanks.

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Mate why you trying to save £50-60 at the cost of feeling like crap?

Get the blood results and someone here will put them into plain English.

Its hard to be a sniper if you're wearing a blindfold. It's hard to be a lawyer without hearing the back story. It's hard enough to grow in BB, let alone keep normal hormonal health.

Simples. 

 

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1 hour ago, AncientOldBloke said:

Mate why you trying to save £50-60 at the cost of feeling like crap?

Get the blood results and someone here will put them into plain English.

Its hard to be a sniper if you're wearing a blindfold. It's hard to be a lawyer without hearing the back story. It's hard enough to grow in BB, let alone keep normal hormonal health.

Simples. 

 

What’s the point if my estrogen reading is going to be bull**** because of the tren? 

I didn’t think I would need an AI on 300mg test but I was wrong.

upped it to 0.5 Tuesday/Friday this week and already feel a bit better.

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32 minutes ago, MrGRoberts said:

What’s the point if my estrogen reading is going to be bull**** because of the tren? 

I didn’t think I would need an AI on 300mg test but I was wrong.

upped it to 0.5 Tuesday/Friday this week and already feel a bit better.

I had same issue start this course pal, I dropped Adex for aromasin every m/w/f added in cialis m/w/f and 100mg proviron a day... sex drives banging now and like I’m on viagra 24/7.

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On 8/4/2018 at 5:43 PM, Matt6210 said:

I had same issue start this course pal, I dropped Adex for aromasin every m/w/f added in cialis m/w/f and 100mg proviron a day... sex drives banging now and like I’m on viagra 24/7.

Similar.

I'm on 450 test, 600 deca and 400 tren. All longs. Orals were last month (25 Anadrol + 25 Winnie). Glad they're over cos I was getting lethargy by day 22.

Supports are 2x25 Proviron ed + Mon/Wed/Fri 12.5 Aromasin + Mon/Wed/Fri 0.5 Caber + Mon/Weds/Fri Cialis 20 but cut into half.

Great combo. I have sex 3x pw average AND fap daily hahaha! That's a lot of 19s but libido is fine.

Will get bloods done 8th Oct ie week 13, and then again end of Nov after tren clears.

I already know what to expect - BP and LDL.

 

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