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Recommended ZMA protocol before bed? Also do you find it useful? 

 

a;so, thinking about investing in a Pre workout supp, preferably one with pump ingredients, mostly for the phsycological effect i use to get on taking a pre workout before training (many years ago) however im also considering sticking with my current pre workout stack of black coffee, 3g pink salt, 5mg EOD cialis. Do you think it would be beneficial to take a pre? and if so what would be you go-to pre?

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@ElChapo I followed your advice , I started taking test P instead of test E , I prefer it better because I 'feel' it more.

I take 100mg E3D , but since I switched I'm starting to feel high hematocrit symptoms . 

I'm already taking grapefruit seed extract and naringin , green tea caps with each meal and doing cardio daily , drinking a lot.

I donated blood 2 months ago too ( my RBC was at 18.6 , HTC at 54.2%) , they told me that my RBC is too high that I can't give anymore if it's not under 18 .

Tomorrow im doing a blood test to check everything and if my RBC is under 18 I'll be able to donate blood soon.

 

Is there other things I can do to keep hematocrit under control on low dose test (250mg) ?

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If CRP is a 'risk factor' for heart disease, does that mean any inflammatory health issue e.g. arthritis, crohns, gastritis, asthma, colitis. Etc etc which can also lead to high CRP are also therefore possible risk factors for heart disease?

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On 6/30/2020 at 2:35 PM, hondastu said:

Says 20mg/g on bottle which is the required 2% stuff ;)

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On 6/29/2020 at 7:08 PM, Mickstar said:

Hi mate ive been cutting during lockdown, getting my bodyfat down so when the gyms open i can go back into a surplus at a better starting point.

Ive been cutting on 200mg of test and making decent progress, ive just ordered some winstrol. Ive never taken any any orals before only done test only cycles previously.

Im wondering should i continue the cut on test only until gyms open again in roughly 4-5 weeks, or can i add in 50mg of winstrol the now. Would i benefit more if i hold the winstrol off.

Are you lifting weights? You could get a recomp effect from the winstrol depending on your experience level.  If you are doing well holding muscle/strength right now though, you could save the winstrol for the bulk. All of this depends on your current results and experience level. 

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On 6/29/2020 at 7:19 PM, Tricky said:

Ok thanks. I’ll maybe not bother with t3 as I do remember previously it made me hungry and I know it makes you flat. Cutting kcals hard for 6/8 weeks will I not need any tho? 
 

dnp I was on 200mg of regal labs and the sweat and uncomfortable stickyness in work was unbearable. I was used to getting up at night for the extra piss and to drink a pint of water with electrolytes but I couldn’t work properly without people asking the issues and in my line of work I couldn’t use it. In the past I’ve loved 3 weeks dnp blasts. 
 

For the test I’ll go in the middle then at 450mg as my test is 300mg per ml. I know you rate winny and I do to for strength but as it’s a cut would you add var? 

T3 won't help you enough to make up for the draw backs and 6-8 week cut is fairly standard, not a long time at all, even with a harsh deficit.

 

Winstrol makes even more sense for cutting since it dries you out. I would prefer it to anavar in a cut. There is a reason it is extremely popular with athletes. It keeps your weight down while maintaining/increasing muscle strength/endurance. It's cheap, easy to find, etc. 

 

 

 

 

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On 6/30/2020 at 6:22 AM, SoberHans said:

Great to see this thread is still going, hope you and your family are doing well El Chapo.

Just ordered some Yohimbine as the rest of my body seems leaner than my stomach should be to see if this helps.

Would you just take the full dose when you wake up and then do some fasted cardio before breakfast?

Thanks

Thank you

 

Yes, full dose 15-20 mins before fasted cardio is ideal.  Then you can break your fast with snack/meal/breakfast or keep fasting a little bit longer after your cardio. 

 

Yohimbine works best when you are down to that stubborn fat in the stomach area, it goes into the alpha-2 adrenergic receptors in the stubborn fat , which makes it behave more like normal fat. 

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On 6/30/2020 at 8:49 AM, aftermath said:

@ElChapo Thanks mate. Can you please help look at the numbers from my last bloodwork? Is there anything in particular that jumps out that could perhaps explain the persistent recurring gyno? Just wondering if there are other avenues worth a try to get rid of the pea-sized lump.

Male, 30 y/o

Testosterone 25.54 nmol/L
Free Testosterone 0.417 nmol/L
Bioavailable Testosterone 11.077 nmol/L
SHBG 47.8 nmol/L
E2 167.4 pmol/L
LH 5.28 iu/L
FSH 5.2 iu/L
Progesterone 1.4 nmol/L
Prolactin 7.3 ug/L
IGF1 171ng/ml

Appreciate your help!

Nope, probably just genetics. You can see some gyno even in lean athletes sometimes if you look closely.  If it's truly pea-sized and unnoticeable, try your best to pay it no mind because it will not affect you in anyway negatively.

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On 6/30/2020 at 9:35 AM, hondastu said:

Yep, that's it. That's 2 %

 

Not available without Rx in the USA for us.

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On 6/30/2020 at 2:52 PM, delbo said:

Recommended ZMA protocol before bed? Also do you find it useful? 

 

a;so, thinking about investing in a Pre workout supp, preferably one with pump ingredients, mostly for the phsycological effect i use to get on taking a pre workout before training (many years ago) however im also considering sticking with my current pre workout stack of black coffee, 3g pink salt, 5mg EOD cialis. Do you think it would be beneficial to take a pre? and if so what would be you go-to pre?

Not really, you are better off getting a good multivitamin. They will contain  good amount of zinc. You can add magnesium if your diet is lacking (low in nuts, greens, potatoes, etc)

 

Personally, i never got into the pre-workout thing. I just do coffee and good music.  A good pre-workout is useful if you are tired from work or have a weird schedule though. I wouldn't change anything if your current stack is working for you.  Back in the day, the only supplement guys were running was whey. Now it's a whole line of preworkouts, NO boosters, intra-workouts, etc. Most of this s**t is unnecessary and just lines the companies with tons of $$$. They are very good at advertising by posting your favorite bodybuilder taking the stuff, fancy magazine ads, etc.

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On 6/30/2020 at 4:36 PM, Baka said:

@ElChapo I followed your advice , I started taking test P instead of test E , I prefer it better because I 'feel' it more.

I take 100mg E3D , but since I switched I'm starting to feel high hematocrit symptoms . 

I'm already taking grapefruit seed extract and naringin , green tea caps with each meal and doing cardio daily , drinking a lot.

I donated blood 2 months ago too ( my RBC was at 18.6 , HTC at 54.2%) , they told me that my RBC is too high that I can't give anymore if it's not under 18 .

Tomorrow im doing a blood test to check everything and if my RBC is under 18 I'll be able to donate blood soon.

 

Is there other things I can do to keep hematocrit under control on low dose test (250mg) ?

Once it's elevated, your options are:

1. Try to overhydrate before your blood donation. Overhydrating will drop your HCT a couple of points, and being even slightly dehydrated can increase your HCT %.  

2. Lower Test dose or increase frequency and wait until blood cell turn over naturally lowers your HCT. This takes about 3 months. 

3. Some guys self-phlebotomize.  This is obviously not recommend, i do know people that do it. I know that in the UK, there are AAS support clinics that provide lab work, needles, etc. Maybe they can provide a script for phlebotomy. Not sure.

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8 hours ago, pma111 said:

If CRP is a 'risk factor' for heart disease, does that mean any inflammatory health issue e.g. arthritis, crohns, gastritis, asthma, colitis. Etc etc which can also lead to high CRP are also therefore possible risk factors for heart disease?

Yes, inflammatory chemicals in the blood can cause issues to the whole system. This is also one of those "chicken or the egg" scenarios. Having atherosclerosis may elevated CRP and the CRP may aggravate atherosclerosis.

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16 minutes ago, ElChapo said:

Are you lifting weights? You could get a recomp effect from the winstrol depending on your experience level.  If you are doing well holding muscle/strength right now though, you could save the winstrol for the bulk. All of this depends on your current results and experience level. 

Thanks mate, yeah ive continued to train at home during all this, so holding onto muscle mass. I was thinking what about using a small dose of winstrol say 25mg along with the test.  This will be my first kind of cut for a while,as ive been in a surplus for a while putting weight on. Would that dose of winstrol be effective for myself, as ive never used it before. Weight on the scale is slowly coming down but visualy im looking better.

Thanks for your time.

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18 hours ago, ElChapo said:

Thank you

 

Yes, full dose 15-20 mins before fasted cardio is ideal.  Then you can break your fast with snack/meal/breakfast or keep fasting a little bit longer after your cardio. 

 

Yohimbine works best when you are down to that stubborn fat in the stomach area, it goes into the alpha-2 adrenergic receptors in the stubborn fat , which makes it behave more like normal fat. 

@El Chapo
Does this apply to stubborn fat in general or is there something specific to abdominal fat deposits?  I ask as I have some stubborn lower chest fat to shift and hope Yohimbine will help over time.

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@ElChapo
 

whats your view on anti ageing for long term fitness, fat reduction, fitness, sleep, recovery, adding lbm ect? I’m curious after watching the documentaries ICRAUS and Screwball. The use of test prop, HGH, winny seem to be the main ones used. What would your optimal dose and duration for long term for one who is looking to just enjoy life improving recovery, sleep, optimising fat loss whilst weight training with quite intense cardio for all round Benifit in all areas. 

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Hello mate!

Will it reduce performance and or musclegain if I donate blood? If so for how long will it effect my performance? - Do you recommend donating blood when doing AAS?

If I want to add an oral either winstrol or anadrol, or even both when running test/deca or test/tren, what will be the lowest dose to run for these orals. Will 25 Adrol be enough to see anything from it, or 20mg winny?

Will I see any benifits of mixing these two orals at lower dosage?

 

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14 hours ago, ElChapo said:

Not really, you are better off getting a good multivitamin. They will contain  good amount of zinc. You can add magnesium if your diet is lacking (low in nuts, greens, potatoes, etc)

 

Personally, i never got into the pre-workout thing. I just do coffee and good music.  A good pre-workout is useful if you are tired from work or have a weird schedule though. I wouldn't change anything if your current stack is working for you.  Back in the day, the only supplement guys were running was whey. Now it's a whole line of preworkouts, NO boosters, intra-workouts, etc. Most of this s**t is unnecessary and just lines the companies with tons of $$$. They are very good at advertising by posting your favorite bodybuilder taking the stuff, fancy magazine ads, etc.

Thanks man, however I've read a lot about how there is insufficient evidence that the vitamins minerals etc from a multivitamin are absorbed by the body hence why I've always skipped a multi vit. What's your take on them? And do the cheaper generic ones do the job? 

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Hey Mate,

What would you look for in an Iron supplement?.

My ferritin levels are always on a lower side despite focusing on food rich in iron so thinking of adding an Iron supplement. Do you think it would be useful?. or iron is something not be messed up with until severe deficiencies?. 

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@El Chapo

What’s your thoughts on DOMs mate or more specifically a lack of DOMs post workout?

I train with plenty of intensity, typically to failure.  Doesn’t seem to matter what sort of volume I get through I rarely, if ever get DOMs on cycle nowadays.  This wasn’t the case in my 20s and 30s!

Thanks.

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On 7/1/2020 at 5:50 PM, Mickstar said:

Thanks mate, yeah ive continued to train at home during all this, so holding onto muscle mass. I was thinking what about using a small dose of winstrol say 25mg along with the test.  This will be my first kind of cut for a while,as ive been in a surplus for a while putting weight on. Would that dose of winstrol be effective for myself, as ive never used it before. Weight on the scale is slowly coming down but visualy im looking better.

Thanks for your time.

The goal is strength and muscle maintenance, if you are doing that fine now, then winstrol will have limited effect. Winstrol will help preserve muscle, especially as you get leaner but if you have good results with test only, i would save the winstrol for the bulk instead and keep your liver fresh.

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23 hours ago, Ironman TS said:

@El Chapo
Does this apply to stubborn fat in general or is there something specific to abdominal fat deposits?  I ask as I have some stubborn lower chest fat to shift and hope Yohimbine will help over time.

Stubborn fat in general.  If you aren't already fairly lean (<12%) i would not worry about stubborn fat. 

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On 7/1/2020 at 6:40 PM, Tricky said:

@ElChapo
 

whats your view on anti ageing for long term fitness, fat reduction, fitness, sleep, recovery, adding lbm ect? I’m curious after watching the documentaries ICRAUS and Screwball. The use of test prop, HGH, winny seem to be the main ones used. What would your optimal dose and duration for long term for one who is looking to just enjoy life improving recovery, sleep, optimising fat loss whilst weight training with quite intense cardio for all round Benifit in all areas. 

Winstrol and longetivity do not go in the same sentence.

 

HGH will not enhance longetivity but may maintain performance and aesthetics as you age. Too much is bad as it can mess with insulin sensitivity and can tax the heart among other issues. A good IGF-1 level to shoot for is 220-320 ng/mL for anti-aging.

 

For Testosterone; Heath/performance/longetivity, staying in the upper male range for total and free Testosterone and not dropping Estradiol too low is your best bet. Many tank their Estradiol due to overzealous AI use. Very common in the TRT profession.

 

There are two different types of "anti-aging".  1. Longetivity (extending lifespan) 2. Maintaining youthful aesthetics (skin/hair/muscles) and performance (strength/endurance).  The two are very different things.

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13 hours ago, zariph said:

Hello mate!

Will it reduce performance and or musclegain if I donate blood? If so for how long will it effect my performance? - Do you recommend donating blood when doing AAS?

If I want to add an oral either winstrol or anadrol, or even both when running test/deca or test/tren, what will be the lowest dose to run for these orals. Will 25 Adrol be enough to see anything from it, or 20mg winny?

Will I see any benifits of mixing these two orals at lower dosage?

 

Yes it can. It can take a few weeks to recover depending on your baseline iron and hemoglobin levels as well as the type of fitness activity. It can lower your strength a bit and will affect medium-long distance endurance.  Double red donation will really mess up your performance for up to 2-3 months sometimes, but again depends on the context. 

 

 

I cannot make recommendations without knowing all the details because every situation is different. I generally recommend keeping HCT no higher than 53% but caution with overdonation which can cause iron/Ferritin depletion which can affect endurance/mood/cognitive function and energy.

 

Depends on what you are trying to do. For building muscle, i would go for 50 mg. If you are going for an "elite natty" look, you can get away with 25 mg if you don't want to build too much muscle or look too freaky/enhanced. I prefer Sdrol/winstrol for their low effect on water/bloat and i like to keep things simple and stick to one oral at a time but combining them won't hurt either.

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10 hours ago, delbo said:

Thanks man, however I've read a lot about how there is insufficient evidence that the vitamins minerals etc from a multivitamin are absorbed by the body hence why I've always skipped a multi vit. What's your take on them? And do the cheaper generic ones do the job? 

Good question, there actually is some research showing benefits to taking multivitamins and their usefulness increases the more your diet is lacking in them.

 

Someone who does not consume fruits/vegetables is going to have poor intake of vitamin C and other nutrients which can impair mood, performance, etc.

 

There are studies showing how vegans have many vitamin and mineral deficiencies and that supplementation can help them a lot.  

 

It is never as simple as "this study said" you need to analyze the methodology of the research to confirm it's validity.  There is a reason elite athletes take multivitamins, they work. 

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