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Ok so very basic info here for you all as I don't understand a great deal about TRT or the numbers so here is what I know so far

 

I came off my AAS in September, my last jab was 750mg of Sust on 5th September 2015

 

I have had my bloods checked for Test Levels by the doc and was low so was referred to Endo. 

 

The first results came back at 6.6 Total Testosterone in November 2015

The Second results came back at 8.2 Total Testoosterone in December 2015

Just had another Blood Test done at docs 2 weeks ago and the Total Test is now at 9 and Free Testosterone is 212

 

The doctor said this is just under normal at 9 and should continue to increase, problem is I have absolutely zero libido and am missing it. 

My appointment with Endo was due in April for another Blood Test but has just been put back to September for some reason. 

 

What is the lowest figure for Total Testosterone  you can get prescribed with TRT as im just worried that at 9 its just not where I want to be.

Its nearly 6 months since my last jab how long should it take to fully recover?

What levels of Total Test would you all be happy with to say you don't need TRT?

 What levels would you insist on having TRT?? (as in 9 where I am at is this acceptable to go on TRT)  I am only 33 and don't want to have a low libido

 

 

 

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I'm on trt mines wasn't due to shutdown with aas though . Your levels are improving and will take time this is why your endo has declined trt atm , where as mine got lower.

No libido is a really hard one (no pun intended)  , i suffer from this alot and got my first trt 2 1/2 weeks ago and it hasn't improved so i guess it takes time even with trt so in your case it will take time aswell unfortunatley there no on and off switch :/.

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Thanks for the replies I am back in to see the Endo on March 10th , I seen on here some info about the minimum numbers for TRT, I have very low libido and im trying my best to stay off the gear, ive been off since september and the only thing that will make me jump back on will be the lack of libido in the end

It looks like I am recovering but If I hit the wall at about levels of 10 then I will be hugely disappointed. 

Anything I should be saying to the Endo as my levels are very at 9 at the moment. 

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2 minutes ago, bigD29 said:

Thanks for the replies I am back in to see the Endo on March 10th , I seen on here some info about the minimum numbers for TRT, I have very low libido and im trying my best to stay off the gear, ive been off since september and the only thing that will make me jump back on will be the lack of libido in the end

It looks like I am recovering but If I hit the wall at about levels of 10 then I will be hugely disappointed. 

Anything I should be saying to the Endo as my levels are very at 9 at the moment. 

It's not uncommon to take a year to recover from a cycle.

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45 minutes ago, edinburgheire said:

I think 12 and under is the numbers to be prescribed  trt. .just ride it out till you see your endo..dont take any pct meds etc..just wait and see or you will never know what will happen naturally. .the endo will help. .

 

Not spoke to the Endo yet about my numbers but my Doctor has told me that 9.2 is classed as normal and that if my levels reach 9.2 I won't be elegible for TRT? 

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GP's just go on reference ranges and are not endo's or uro's , 9-12 is classed as a grey area where TRT can be given.

remember that a hypogonadism diagnosis is given on bloodwork and symptoms (with the emphasis on symptoms for the people in the grey area)

you can print off the above document and highlight the relevant areas to show to your GP - it is a UK/EU recognised medical pathway and they cant ignore what is in it ( to do so would be to challenge the specialists that wrote it- and they are the experts in the field - not the GP )

 

that said, as mingster has already said, i'd give yourself more time to try and recover before trying for a lifetime of TRT - one thing that it has shown you is that recovery from any future cycles is going to be hard going and a wait.

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On ‎19‎/‎02‎/‎2016 at 3:44 PM, bigD29 said:

Ok so very basic info here for you all as I don't understand a great deal about TRT or the numbers so here is what I know so far

 

I came off my AAS in September, my last jab was 750mg of Sust on 5th September 2015

 

I have had my bloods checked for Test Levels by the doc and was low so was referred to Endo. 

 

The first results came back at 6.6 Total Testosterone in November 2015

The Second results came back at 8.2 Total Testoosterone in December 2015

Just had another Blood Test done at docs 2 weeks ago and the Total Test is now at 9 and Free Testosterone is 212

 

The doctor said this is just under normal at 9 and should continue to increase, problem is I have absolutely zero libido and am missing it. 

My appointment with Endo was due in April for another Blood Test but has just been put back to September for some reason. 

 

What is the lowest figure for Total Testosterone  you can get prescribed with TRT as im just worried that at 9 its just not where I want to be.

Its nearly 6 months since my last jab how long should it take to fully recover?

What levels of Total Test would you all be happy with to say you don't need TRT?

 What levels would you insist on having TRT?? (as in 9 where I am at is this acceptable to go on TRT)  I am only 33 and don't want to have a low libido

 

 

 

Sounds like you had your bloods taken too closely after ceasing use of AAS as with each blood test your test has been increasing on its own.

 

I would recommend a power pct then get bloods 12 weeks after it ends to confirm true base level figures.

 

At this stage you definitely don't need TRT.

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On 22/02/2016 at 8:06 AM, Sustanation said:

Sounds like you had your bloods taken too closely after ceasing use of AAS as with each blood test your test has been increasing on its own.

 

I would recommend a power pct then get bloods 12 weeks after it ends to confirm true base level figures.

 

At this stage you definitely don't need TRT.

Yes you are spot on, I got tested too soon after I came off. 

I am still under the Endo who said that PCT drugs do not work, she said if they worked we would prescribe them... (fair point) 

 

Also if I do a Power PCT now will it shut me down again, I don't really want to mess with my hormones as she told me to come off everything! Its been around 7 Months now since last jab so im doing well. I am going back in July for more Blood Tests.

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14 hours ago, bigD29 said:

Yes you are spot on, I got tested too soon after I came off. 

I am still under the Endo who said that PCT drugs do not work, she said if they worked we would prescribe them... (fair point) 

 

Also if I do a Power PCT now will it shut me down again, I don't really want to mess with my hormones as she told me to come off everything! Its been around 7 Months now since last jab so im doing well. I am going back in July for more Blood Tests.

With respect your endo is a Plank.

 

Tell her to liase with Dr Michael Scally and to stop promoting infactual information.

 

I would do a power pct its sole purpose is to restore you to nornal hormone levels not shut you down.

Then hopfully when you get tested in july you can tell the endo shes a plank and heres the evidence to prove it.

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uro's do prescribe PCT meds - many will prescribe clomid for anyone wanted to stop TRT and try for children.

re: Dr scally , dont waste your time - any UK endo/uro is just going to laugh at you if you suggest liaising with a U.S 'specialist' that has made a lot of money from the protocols he's prescribed for people .

the above goes for any evidence /specialist / guidance etc from outside the EU - as far as specialists here (UK/EU) are concerned all it is is light entertainment reading.

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