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Is it really useful? and what can they really offer? Are there real specialists in PEDs that have knowledge that is worth paying them?
 

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When you could pay monthly and access everything it was okay. Then he started doing some thing where you had to wait to unlock content, which I thought took the piss.

Now you have to pay for the full year upfront. Not worth it imo. Fair play to him, he must be raking it in.
 

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Is it really useful? and what can they really offer? Are there real specialists in PEDs that have knowledge that is worth paying them?
There's nothing magical on there. Mostly disciples of the training principle and people wearing oversized clothes.

You won't get any particularly forward thinking approaches to PEDs. Jordan experiments and always has, but most of what you see in there you can find on intense muscle in the old threads.

Your paying for video content. It's well done but who actually wants to watch people train? It's not particularly exciting to watch IMO.
 

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This ^

Jordan is the embodiment of hard work, great genetics, dedication and a fairly easily acquired knowledge on his approach as it's largely built by what's free to access on the internet.

He does have a formal education in exercise science IIRC but it doesn't really shine through on the website or his content which is 90% training videos.

When there was monthly access I'd say dive in for 7 quid and get your fill.

But personally there is no way I'd advise anyone pay for a year when you can see all the relevant content within a few weeks.
 

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You can tell how much of an influence he has had in British bodybuikding. Evryone who's half serious about training you'll hear top set, back set. All that UK youTube gurus/coaches preach it.

It works at getting you strong for sure, but it sacrifices volume, which is shown to be more important before intensity...

When I look at josh bridgman and especially aj Morris, who can row 70kg or deadlift 210kg for 10, and wouldn't even look like he trained in a t-shirt and jeans, it makes me think where do you go from here? Row 80kg, 90kg??? His joints will be f**ked before he hits 30 with all weight chasing.

If I was able to BB row 160kg and still looked small, I think I'd be rethinking my approach. I feel the likes of Dr Mike Israetel are paving the way for smarter, better results for actual hypertrophy with the volume land marks and RIR
 

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It works at getting you strong for sure, but it sacrifices volume, which is shown to be more important before intensity...
Mate..... come on. Just think about that and consider the bodybuilders who have used this approach for years and the physiques they have built. You're miles away on this one.

Dorian was immensely strong AND held more tissue than other other bb he stood on stage with.... there have been many who followed this approach with huge success right up until the present time.

Patrick Tuor is a huge advocate of high intensity/low volume and has successfully packed tons off tissue on high ranking pros.

Look at James Hollingsheads physique since he's been coached by Tuor.

@Bensif has also worked closely with him and advocates this training style.
 

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Mate..... come on. Just think about that and consider the bodybuilders who have used this approach for years and the physiques they have built. You're miles away on this one.

Dorian was immensely strong AND held more tissue than other other bb he stood on stage with.... there have been many who followed this approach with huge success right up until the present time.

Patrick Tuor is a huge advocate of high intensity/low volume and has successfully packed tons off tissue on high ranking pros.

Look at James Hollingsheads physique since he's been coached by Tuor.

@Bensif has also worked closely with him and advocates this training style.
It's works I didn't say otherwise, but it does sacrafice volume for intensity and I don't like to reference the genetic elites, I talk more in general terms. I feel dorian is def more of an outlier. From what I see, far more pros doing more volume work than the intensity approach. Maybe it's the demographic that I'm surrounded by, but the guys I see in my gym always trying to push the envelope with thier strength more so than doing the extra volume, don't ever seem to be the biggest guys. Practically all the bigger advance lifters in my gym do higher volume. I think at the very least they should be used interchangeably, that's what I do and have seen better progress.

But I'm just a beta blue cuck pill bumbaclot so don't consider me a factor in the scope of the discussion
 

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I don't try to choose camps, but the approaches of Mike israetel, 3dmj, meno and James krieger I think resonate more with the mere mortals like myself and not the guys that can do much of anything sub optimally and still grow very well.

@js77you look better than I ever will mate and got plenty more training experience than me so any advice or input is not falling on deaf ears, I'm here to learn as much as anyone else but I think my views hold validity
 

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It's works I didn't say otherwise, but it does sacrafice volume for intensity and I don't like to reference the genetic elites, I talk more in general terms. I feel dorian is def more of an outlier. From what I see, far more pros doing more volume work than the intensity approach. Maybe it's the demographic that I'm surrounded by, but the guys I see in my gym always trying to push the envelope with thier strength more so than doing the extra volume, don't ever seem to be the biggest guys. Practically all the bigger advance lifters in my gym do higher volume. I think at the very least they should be used interchangeably, that's what I do and have seen better progress.

But I'm just a beta blue cuck Bill bumbaclot so don't consider me a factor in the scope of the discussion
Mate it's honestly not a protocol that works on the genetically gifted alone. I've been following this approach for the last 12 months and have without question made huge improvements that wouldn't have been possible on my old volume style of training.

My arms in particular have really come on doing an absolute maximum of four working sets for bis/tris after a push/pull session.

I'm not saying you're guilty of this but the vast majority of people really don't understand what 'high intensity' really is. I've seen many just do a low volume session and not apply the high intensity part and think that's it!!

High intensity is absolute balls 2 the wall in each working set, applying sets beyond failure with negatives, AMRAP, clusters etc.

Im convinced ANYONE who applies these principles correctly will achieve massive gains in tissue if the correct diet/rest is also applied.
 

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I don't try to choose camps, but the approaches of Mike israetel, 3dmj, meno and James krieger I think resonate more with the mere mortals like myself and not the guys that can do much of anything sub optimally and still grow very well.

@js77you look better than I ever will mate and got plenty more training experience than me so any advice or input is not falling on deaf ears, I'm here to learn as much as anyone else but I think my views hold validity
Mate I don't actually know of those coaches you mentioned.

Ill have a look at their training protocols though because like you, I also like to be armed with as many different methods from which to pick the bones from.

What do you think of Tuors training style btw...... and have you given it a go and stuck with it for a while? Mate if you've not I honestly think at your decent level of development and experience you'd put it to really good use.
 

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Mate I don't actually know of those coaches you mentioned.

Ill have a look at their training protocols though because like you, I also like to be armed with as many different methods from which to pick the bones from.

What do you think of Tuors training style btw...... and have you given it a go and stuck with it for a while? Mate if you've not I honestly think at your decent level of development and experience you'd put it to really good use.
I'll be honest I've only glanced over it and seemed very similar to myo reps and rest pauses. I'll have a proper look. I'll also agree James hollingsheads has made leaps and bounds in changes in his physique since going into his latest off season. He is one strong mofo too, I've followed him since the jp days.
 

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Everything works until it doesn't.

And you often find each approach compliments the other whilst keeping the stimulus novel when reaching a plateau.

You cannot endlessly progressively overload and you cannot endlessly increase volume, so why not build meso cycles around each, progress through until you start to stagnate, deload and repeat using the other method.

If you get stronger using mechanical progressive overload you will be handling heavier weights when you revert to a more volume focused phase.

And if you build work capacity and muscular endurance you'll be able to handle more reps and volume when returning to your progressive overload phase.

It's easy to marry to one principle when it provides good results but this is often because you've trained a certain way for so long that once you switch, you see novel stimulus and new adaptation (muscle growth) and then commit to a training life of the new found approach.

When in reality it was the stagnation of the old and novelty of the new that sparked the adaptation rather than one being a profoundly better approach than the other.
 

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You can tell how much of an influence he has had in British bodybuikding. Evryone who's half serious about training you'll hear top set, back set. All that UK youTube gurus/coaches preach it.

It works at getting you strong for sure, but it sacrifices volume, which is shown to be more important before intensity...

When I look at josh bridgman and especially aj Morris, who can row 70kg or deadlift 210kg for 10, and wouldn't even look like he trained in a t-shirt and jeans, it makes me think where do you go from here? Row 80kg, 90kg??? His joints will be f**ked before he hits 30 with all weight chasing.

If I was able to BB row 160kg and still looked small, I think I'd be rethinking my approach. I feel the likes of Dr Mike Israetel are paving the way for smarter, better results for actual hypertrophy with the volume land marks and RIR
Volumes shown to be more important than intensity?

My god man your going to have Ellington Darden knocking at your door and the ghosts of Mike mentzer,Casey Viator and Arthur Jones haunting your dreams!
 

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Volumes shown to be more important than intensity?

My god man your going to have Ellington Darden knocking at your door and the ghosts of Mike mentzer,Casey Viator and Arthur Jones haunting your dreams!
Saying more than doesn't mean intensity isn't important. I'm not telling anyone to keep squatting 60kg to grow or in my case 65kg. I'm just saying from what I have seen and read that volume plays a more important role for a driver of hypertrophy talking in the most broad prospective. It obvusouly goes a lot deeper than that of which Ill most certainly admit I'm not one to be able to explain well all the principles.

Experince counts just as much as the science and theory's and I'll nevr turn my nose up at real life results of valuable members on here. Never claimed to be a guru
 

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Waste of £.

Take drugs, eat food, and train hard.

If you want advice then just dm a old school pro like eddie abbew or zach khan who will tell u how it is

you don't need all that fancy s**t that he preaches about. reps in reserve this, tempo that, top set back off set and all this over complicated bollocks.
 

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You can tell how much of an influence he has had in British bodybuikding. Evryone who's half serious about training you'll hear top set, back set. All that UK youTube gurus/coaches preach it.

It works at getting you strong for sure, but it sacrifices volume, which is shown to be more important before intensity...

When I look at josh bridgman and especially aj Morris, who can row 70kg or deadlift 210kg for 10, and wouldn't even look like he trained in a t-shirt and jeans, it makes me think where do you go from here? Row 80kg, 90kg??? His joints will be f**ked before he hits 30 with all weight chasing.

If I was able to BB row 160kg and still looked small, I think I'd be rethinking my approach. I feel the likes of Dr Mike Israetel are paving the way for smarter, better results for actual hypertrophy with the volume land marks and RIR
Volume is not the primary driver of hypertrophy.

Anyways, no intelligent guy would sacrifice volume for chasing load. People like AJ morris are way smarter in my opinion. After years of work, they know at which intensity they will be able to accumulate the total volume without getting injured.

And, chasing load is not the main cause of injury per se. It's more to do with the overall work.
 

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Volume is not the primary driver of hypertrophy.

Anyways, no intelligent guy would sacrifice volume for chasing load. People like AJ morris are way smarter in my opinion. After years of work, they know at which intensity they will be able to accumulate the total volume without getting injured.

And, chasing load is not the main cause of injury per se. It's more to do with the overall work.
So I'll start just doing triples and doubles to grow just as efficiently if that's the case. They are both important, volume contributes more from the literature I've seen and pratical appliance.

So pushing sets handling weight within 10-12 is more dangerous than sets of weights failing in 4-6 if load isnt the greater risk factor .... . You can just argue the logic on that one, or watch enough power lifting meets...

Maybe your right. When he gets to a 180kg BB row he'll suddenly be huge like he is now doing 160kg albeit form questionable

He gets fu**ing peeled ill give him that. But like everyone else has just jumped on jp band wagon. Let's see how he feels when he hits 30. Training only that way is not smart.
 
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