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Will they hinder muscle growth? Or do we simply stay clear for the reason of potential fat gain?

For example, if you dont mind gaining a bit fat, or are someone who doesnt readily gain fat that easily (ectomorph) can you get away with some sugar, `bad fat` etc?

Or as i say, can and will they affect muscle gains?

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If you train hard, you can eat sh*t and get bigger/stronger.

You'll gain fat no doubt, but calorie excess + regular resistance training will make you grow.

I wouldn't want to look like a bag of sh*t tbh, but some people are fine with it :lol:
 

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Bumpin this thread. Thanks for that advice man but i feel it deserves more input??

Didnt really get a definitive answer (if one exists?)

Any input appreciated as ever...

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Hmmm, big subject if you want to get into detail. Most of the issues are more to do with health than how they effect gains... the most noticable effect that may be relevant to bb'ing might be reductions in insulin sensitivity and finding it harder when you want to strip any fat you've gained off.

Two main problems with transfats and TFFs (altered fats that aren't transfats) are that: 1) your body can't use them very efficiently for energy at all but can store them... but once stored they are much harder to metabolise, and certain transfats apparently can't ever be cleared so they just sit in your adipocytes permanently once stored. According to some studies they can also reduce your ability to metabolise healthy fats. 2) altered fats block the beneficial health giving effects of good fats by aggresively competing for the lipoproteins that fats need to move around the body. This also leads to big increases in the 'bad' cholesterol LDL so can also potentially be artery clogging, and also linked to insulin insensitvity.

High sugar intake can be bad for health as it can also reduce insulin sensitivity... when you eat more sugars than you need for blood glucose and glycogen in a single meal, your liver converts the excess into triglycerides to store as fat. These surges of triglycerides resulting from a lot of sugar can be in excess of the amount you can efficiently store in one go, and this overspill causes them to be taken up by the muscles and liver in higher than normal amounts... and this is what is thought to induce insulin insensitvity... and insulin insensitivity makes fat burning a lot harder.

Salt is less of an issue IMO, intake only really being a problem if you already have blood pressure issues. :)
 

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Hmmm, big subject if you want to get into detail. Most of the issues are more to do with health than how they effect gains... the most noticable effect that may be relevant to bb'ing might be reductions in insulin sensitivity and finding it harder when you want to strip any fat you've gained off.

Two main problems with transfats and TFFs (altered fats that aren't transfats) are that: 1) your body can't use them very efficiently for energy at all but can store them... but once stored they are much harder to metabolise, and certain transfats apparently can't ever be cleared so they just sit in your adipocytes permanently once stored. According to some studies they can also reduce your ability to metabolise healthy fats. 2) altered fats block the beneficial health giving effects of good fats by aggresively competing for the lipoproteins that fats need to move around the body. This also leads to big increases in the 'bad' cholesterol LDL so can also potentially be artery clogging, and also linked to insulin insensitvity.

High sugar intake can be bad for health as it can also reduce insulin sensitivity... when you eat more sugars than you need for blood glucose and glycogen in a single meal, your liver converts the excess into triglycerides to store as fat. These surges of triglycerides resulting from a lot of sugar can be in excess of the amount you can efficiently store in one go, and this overspill causes them to be taken up by the muscles and liver in higher than normal amounts... and this is what is thought to induce insulin insensitvity... and insulin insensitivity makes fat burning a lot harder.

Salt is less of an issue IMO, intake only really being a problem if you already have blood pressure issues. :)
Now THATS the sort of answer i`ve been after!! :thumb: Thanks a lot man!

Puts an interesting perspective into it, even quite scary hearing transfats can sit their permanently!

I suppose provided we dont go overboard then everything in moderation aint so bad gains wise, yet aint something i guess we`ll ever no for certain?

Anyway thanks a lot again!
 
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