dudes, please enlighten me
over the years rear delts seem to rear theyre ugly heads every now and again..
why are people bothered about theyre rear delts when theyre legs or arms or chest and back are still needing mass?
has anyone been scrutinized and had the observer say yup you need to work on your rear delts when all or most other bodyparts need still need mass?
are legs a lower priority?
are rear delts a priority over a big back?
i suspect if you focussed on the big bodyparts and got them up to size you`d probably have rear delts that were visible.
i know for a fact deadlifts have grown my rear delts and on the one shoulder that isnt wonky i have a very good rear delt in proportion with the rest of my shoulder (my shoulders are round, not bowling ball big but aesthetically symetrical)
are you not just looking and scrutinizing bodyparts that will grow anyway, waaaay too early because if you give them time and get your big lifts up they`d be fine
doing unnecessary exercises when theyre not needed is surely a waste of time and energy that could be devoted to more productive purposes.
the idea is to do as little work as necessary to stimulate a response in the body and put as much of your energy into recovery which will lead to more growth.
when cutting people restrict calories, usually its done by specific amounts..
you dont think well i`ll trim off an extra 200cals a day when you dont need to.
so when training why is there not the same level of specificity?
nearly everyone err`s on the side of caution by doing more.
the idea is for your body to be at peak anabolism not taking it past the perfect point and be slightly catabolic all the time.
i see naturals and assisted trainer basically doing the same routines, same volumes and frequency.
does that mean natural trainers think they can recover as quickly as an assisted trainer?
btw i have a friend who thinks i`m off my tits crazy for doing 3-4 sets per bodypart when he only does 1 set per bodypart for everything..
he`s more like me than me lol..
he`s squatted 180kg for 20 reps in the past and altho is a little shy of showing his physique off which tbh for me is the bottom line he`s crazy strong to be doing these weights naturally...
he says he`s only into lifting for strength but i think thats bollcks and if he manages to cut like he says he is, his top will be off quicker than you can say arnold lol
i`m long past suggesting others do 3 sets only cos some people just need more sets, but theres a big group of compounds to choose from which build mass and shape too, so why would you include pure shaping exercises intent on shaping muscle tissue that hasnt even grown yet?
youre potentially retarding recovery and growth.
if i was on the wrong track with this i`d be the smallest member on here if results were based on amount of sets done, but i`m not..
so i`m guessing im on the right track..
thast not boasting, my progress has been painfully slow, but thats more down to my physical factors and limitations than more training and possibly my age doesnt help, but it certainly doesnt stop progress, every year bar fusion years ive improved on the previous year.
if i can stay healthy and keep doing what i`m doing aim to improve every year till i peak and then aim to hold that peak..
then i`d like to think i have "evidence" of my approach working for your typical dude..
most of us on here are typical dudes, not easy gainers..
there are lots of basic exercises that work for everyone, the individualization i`m always hearing should be modifying what already works, not lurching from one routine to another claiming it doesnt work for me cos im an individual.
you might not get on with low bar squats so you`d modify it till you do, you might squat with a mix of high and low bar principles or just high bar, maybe if youre leverages are that bad you`d have to leg press or you might find a trap bar works better for you.
but it seems if squats arent working leg extensions and leg curls are added...
thats adding to your work load and using up part of the 100% of energy you have set aside for a workout..
when youre training hard and progress still isnt happening and youre fcuked after a workout, how does adding stuff in improve a routine?
i bet if you had 1 exercise for a workout and you knew that it was all you were allowed to do for an entire workout, you`d do more reps than you would than if you were completing a full workout.
well thats how every rep and set for every exercise should be approached.
so when training getting hard and youre hitting pb`s and you want to keep adding increments each week, have a think about what the crazy old bastrd suggests about dropping an exercise out for a few weeks and see if it helps you progress further. (shrugs/bi`s/tri`s/abs/grip work/maybe calves altho in my case i doubt it)
Jakal bud this thread isnt aimed at you, but kinda maybe inspired a little by you
over the years rear delts seem to rear theyre ugly heads every now and again..
why are people bothered about theyre rear delts when theyre legs or arms or chest and back are still needing mass?
has anyone been scrutinized and had the observer say yup you need to work on your rear delts when all or most other bodyparts need still need mass?
are legs a lower priority?
are rear delts a priority over a big back?
i suspect if you focussed on the big bodyparts and got them up to size you`d probably have rear delts that were visible.
i know for a fact deadlifts have grown my rear delts and on the one shoulder that isnt wonky i have a very good rear delt in proportion with the rest of my shoulder (my shoulders are round, not bowling ball big but aesthetically symetrical)
are you not just looking and scrutinizing bodyparts that will grow anyway, waaaay too early because if you give them time and get your big lifts up they`d be fine
doing unnecessary exercises when theyre not needed is surely a waste of time and energy that could be devoted to more productive purposes.
the idea is to do as little work as necessary to stimulate a response in the body and put as much of your energy into recovery which will lead to more growth.
when cutting people restrict calories, usually its done by specific amounts..
you dont think well i`ll trim off an extra 200cals a day when you dont need to.
so when training why is there not the same level of specificity?
nearly everyone err`s on the side of caution by doing more.
the idea is for your body to be at peak anabolism not taking it past the perfect point and be slightly catabolic all the time.
i see naturals and assisted trainer basically doing the same routines, same volumes and frequency.
does that mean natural trainers think they can recover as quickly as an assisted trainer?
btw i have a friend who thinks i`m off my tits crazy for doing 3-4 sets per bodypart when he only does 1 set per bodypart for everything..
he`s more like me than me lol..
he`s squatted 180kg for 20 reps in the past and altho is a little shy of showing his physique off which tbh for me is the bottom line he`s crazy strong to be doing these weights naturally...
he says he`s only into lifting for strength but i think thats bollcks and if he manages to cut like he says he is, his top will be off quicker than you can say arnold lol
i`m long past suggesting others do 3 sets only cos some people just need more sets, but theres a big group of compounds to choose from which build mass and shape too, so why would you include pure shaping exercises intent on shaping muscle tissue that hasnt even grown yet?
youre potentially retarding recovery and growth.
if i was on the wrong track with this i`d be the smallest member on here if results were based on amount of sets done, but i`m not..
so i`m guessing im on the right track..
thast not boasting, my progress has been painfully slow, but thats more down to my physical factors and limitations than more training and possibly my age doesnt help, but it certainly doesnt stop progress, every year bar fusion years ive improved on the previous year.
if i can stay healthy and keep doing what i`m doing aim to improve every year till i peak and then aim to hold that peak..
then i`d like to think i have "evidence" of my approach working for your typical dude..
most of us on here are typical dudes, not easy gainers..
there are lots of basic exercises that work for everyone, the individualization i`m always hearing should be modifying what already works, not lurching from one routine to another claiming it doesnt work for me cos im an individual.
you might not get on with low bar squats so you`d modify it till you do, you might squat with a mix of high and low bar principles or just high bar, maybe if youre leverages are that bad you`d have to leg press or you might find a trap bar works better for you.
but it seems if squats arent working leg extensions and leg curls are added...
thats adding to your work load and using up part of the 100% of energy you have set aside for a workout..
when youre training hard and progress still isnt happening and youre fcuked after a workout, how does adding stuff in improve a routine?
i bet if you had 1 exercise for a workout and you knew that it was all you were allowed to do for an entire workout, you`d do more reps than you would than if you were completing a full workout.
well thats how every rep and set for every exercise should be approached.
so when training getting hard and youre hitting pb`s and you want to keep adding increments each week, have a think about what the crazy old bastrd suggests about dropping an exercise out for a few weeks and see if it helps you progress further. (shrugs/bi`s/tri`s/abs/grip work/maybe calves altho in my case i doubt it)
Jakal bud this thread isnt aimed at you, but kinda maybe inspired a little by you