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Just found something interesting on a Canadian forum. It's in dollars but you get the idea. Basically it's top of the range supps that you can make at home by buying the individual ingrediants....

GAKIC "Knock Off"





Ingredients:



L-Glycine Powder: 7g

L-Arginine Powder: 4g

Knock Off Explanation:

Both L-Glycine and L-Arginine have proven to be powerful amino acids which can assist with the energy needed to push through your workouts while stimulating muscle recovery and anabolic hormone output.

Directions:

Mix 7 grams L-Glycine powder and 4 grams L-Arginine powder into 8 oz. water or juice and consume up to 45 minutes before your workout only on workout days.

Retail Cost For 30-Day Supply: $79.99

Approximate 30-Day Cost For "Knock-Off" Formula: $9.06

Savings: You Save Approximately $70.93 Per Month!

Ultimate Orange "Knock Off"

Ingredients:

* Liquid Hydrolyzed Collagen (EAA's & BCAA's): 2 Tbsp

* Maltodextrin: 16g

* Caffeine: 300mg

* 1/4 Packet Unsweetened Powdered Soft Drink (like "Kool-Aid)

Knock Off Explanation:

Ultimate Orange heavily markets the surge of energy you'll feel in the gym. This is due to the mega dose of sugar (they call it "Quadra-Carb") and caffeine in the ingredients. In addition, the

dosage they recommend can be so high that you'll be bouncing off the walls?and tell all your friends how great it is because you can "really feel it".

The knock off formula provides proven energy producers and fatigue-resistors but simple sugars (sucrose, dextrose) have been removed to avoid energy crash during workouts.

Liquid collagen contains all of the essential amino acids and branched chain amino acids included within the Ultimate Orange formula. If you can't order liquid colagen, you can also use a

standard liquid amino acid complex like TwinLab's Amino Fuel.

Directions:

Mix 2 tablespoons of liquid collagen along with 16 grams of maltodextrin and the powdered drink packet into 8-12 ounces of water. Crush up 300 mg caffeine tablet and add to the mixture.

Consume approximately 20 minutes before your strength training workout only on workout days.

Retail Cost For 30-Day Supply: $99.98

Approximate 30-Day Cost For "Knock-Off" Formula: $21.39

Savings: You Save $78.59 Per Month!

N30 "Knock Off"

Ingredients:

* L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate (AAKG): 5 g

* Potassium Bicarbonate: 1 g

* Caffeine: 200 mg

Knock Off Explanation:

AAKG can be a powerful growth hormone inducer and increase blood flow for better "pumps" in the gym Instead of potassium alpha ketoisocaproate, potassium bicarbonate is just as effective at buffering acid load from

workouts and much more available. The knock off formula also includes caffeine which is a proven energy producers and fatigue-resistor during training.

Directions:

Crush up a 200 mg tablet of caffeine and mix with 5 grams of AAKG and 1 gram of potassium bicarbonate powder into 8-12 oz of water or juice (preferably grapefruit juice). Consume

approximately 20 minutes before your strength training workout only on workout days.

Retail Cost For 30-Day Supply: $43.98

Approximate 30-Day Cost For "Knock-Off" Formula: $7.84

Savings: You Save $36.14 Per Month!

Mass-Tech "Knock Off"

Ingredients:

* Whey Protein Isolate: 45 g

* Maltodextrin: 150 g

* Ground Flax Meal: 2 Tbsp

Knock Off Explanation:

The intention of Mass-Tech was to create a meal replacement powder that helps bodybuilders consume massive amounts of carbohydrates and get a fast AND slow digesting protein profile.

However, the "sprinkle" ingredients aren't available enough to be valuable to the user.

For the "knockoff", whey isolate is used to avoid needing 2 different types of powder and flax meal is added to slow digestion of the protein as it was intended and provide health

essential fatty acids for cell structure.

Maltodextrin is added to provide complex carbohydrates and in fact, makes up almost 70% of Mass-Tech's total ingredients.

Directions:

Combine all ingredients in a blender along with non-fat milk (and perhaps some frozen fruit like bananas and/or strawberries) and

blend until smooth.

Retail Cost For 30-Day Supply: $49.99

Approximate 30-Day Cost For "Knock-Off" Formula: $25.76

Savings: You Save $24.23 Per Month!

Muscle Milk "Knock Off"

Ingredients:

* Casein Protein (Powdered Milk): 20 g

* Whey Protein Isolate: 12 g

* L-Glutamine: 5 g

* Taurine: 1 g

* Maltodextrin: 12 g

* MCT Oil: 1/2 Tbsp

* Canola Oil: 1/2 Tbsp

Knock Off Explanation:

While Muscle Milk markets itself as imitating "mother's milk", nutrients that were helpful to us as infants were ONLY helpful to us as infants and don't provide the same benefits to adults.

Powdered milk and Whey Protein Isolate have been used to provide both a slow- and fast-digesting protein mix for extended absorption of amino acids

Maltodextrin is added as a slow-burning carbohydrate source and MCT Oil, Canola Oil, l-glutamine, and taurine are added to reduce muscle loss, buffer lactic acid, and increase protein

synthesis.

Directions:

Combine all ingredients in a blender along with non-fat milk (and perhaps some frozen fruit like bananas and/or strawberries) and blend until smooth.

This formula is best used pre-workout or as a meal replacement during the day?NOT after your workout.

Retail Cost For 30-Day Supply: $79.90

Approximate 30-Day Cost For "Knock-Off" Formula: $16.85

Savings: You Save $63.05 Per Month!

LEUKIC "Knock Off"

Ingredients: * L-Leucine Powder: 7 g

Knock Off Explanation:

This is a case of branched-chain amino acids with window dressing. L-leucine is powerful on its own or with other BCAA's and the Alpha-Ketoisocaproic Acid has been discarded due to

lack of conclusive evidence it works.

Directions:

As a dietary supplement, take 1 serving first thing in the morning.

On workout days, take 1 serving immediately before your workout.

Retail Cost For 30-Day Supply: $69.99

Approximate 30-Day Cost For "Knock-Off" Formula: $6.23

Savings: You Save $63.76 Per Month!

APLODAN "Knock Off"

Ingredients:

* Creatine Monohydrate: 20 grams/day for 5 days (divided over 10 doses of 2 g throughout the day), followed by 5 grams/day daily for the duration of the cycle

* Alpha Lipoic Acid: 100 mg/day

Knock Off Explanation:

Take away the trademarked scientific jargon and you're left with plain old creatine monohydrate and alpha lipoic acid. Creatine works?and it's cheap.

Alpha lipoic acid is included in this formula but is not very effective taken in the absence of other antioxidants.

Directions:

Divide creatine up into 10 doses of 2g taken throughout the day for the first 5 days (can be mixed with juice or water). After this, supplement with 5 gram doses each day for up to 8

weeks. Cycle off for 2 weeks and start again.

As a daily supplement, take 100 mg of alpha lipoic acid each day (but again, take in combination with other antioxidants).

Retail Cost For 30-Day Supply: $64.86

Approximate 30-Day Cost For "Knock-Off" Formula: $4.54

Myo-Blast CSP "Knock Off"

Ingredients (1 Dose):

* Cystoseira Canariensis (Brown Algae Extract): 600 mg

* Rhodiola Rosea Powder: 200 mg

Knock Off Explanation:

I fought HARD to find credible evidence that these ingredients work for blocking muscle-limiting myostatis. There is none! Use this formula at your own risk of wasting

your money.

Ancillary ingredients were omitted due to insufficient amounts in the original formula.

Directions:

Take 1 dose of each supplement in the morning and another 1 dose in the afternoon with 8-oz of water.

Retail Cost For 30-Day Supply: $79.95

Approximate 30-Day Cost For "Knock-Off" Formula: $19.34

Savings: You Save $60.61 Per Month!

Lipo 6 "Knock Off"

Ingredients:

* Guggulsterones: 20 mg

* Caffeine Anhydrous: 200 mg

* Bioperine: 5mg

* Yohimbine HCL: 3 mg

Knock Off Explanation:

Due to overlapping benefits, synephrine was removed from this formula in place of caffeine as the main component for adrenal stimulation.

Guggelsterones, despite conclusive evidence, remains in the knockoff formula for those who are die-hard Lipo 6 fans.

However it is by far the most expensive ingredient and removing it drastically reduces the monthly cost to a little over a dollar.

Bioperine and Yohimbine HCL are also included to best replicate the Lipo 6 formula without too much judgment of its effectiveness. Higher doses of Yohimbine may be necessary to

see a benefit.

Directions:

Take 1 dose 30 minutes before breakfast or morning workout and 1 more dose in the afternoon.

Note: Insulin completely blocks yohimbine's fat loss effects so it is ideally used on a low-carb/ketogenic diet. If not following a low-carb diet, consume this formula first thing in the morning on

an empty stomach before training.

Retail Cost For 30-Day Supply: $49.99

Approximate 30-Day Cost For "Knock-Off" Formula: $10.24

Savings: You Save $39.75 Per Month!

Redline "Knock Off"

Ingredients:

* Guggulsterones: 20 mg

* Caffeine Anhydrous: 250 mg

* Green Tea Extract: 400 mg

* Yohimbine HCL: 5 mg

Knock Off Explanation:

It's likely that most of the ingredients in Redline are not in sufficient amounts to be a benefit so some have been removed to allow for higher amounts of potentially beneficial ingredients.

Note that this formula contains more caffeine than most other supplements since this is most likely what Redline has done.

Limit the amounts of caffeinated beverages you consume on days you use the formula.

Like other "knock off" formulas, this one contains guggulsterones, in order to stay close to the original formula, but it is the most expensive ingredient and it may be best to test

not including it to bring down the overall cost.

Yohimbine HCL is also included but since it is negated by insulin and best taken on an empty stomach, it is questionable whether following the manufacturer's recommendation to take

this supplement with a meal will yield the desired effect.

Directions: Take 1 dose with a meal prior to workout

Retail Cost For 30-Day Supply: $52.46

Approximate 30-Day Cost For "Knock-Off" Formula: $6.82

Savings: You Save $45.64 Per Month

More to come....
 

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Hydroxycut Hardcore "Knock Off"

Ingredients:

* Green Tea Extract: 400 mg

* Caffeine: 280 mg

* Black Pepper Extract (Bioperine): 5 mg

* Yohimbine HCL: 4.5 mg

Knock Off Explanation:

Since many of the ingredients in Hydroxycut are focused on mental alertness rather than fat loss and caffeine alone will help with this, several have been removed.

Other ingredients removed are those determined to potentially be harmful or in insufficient amounts to have any effect.

"Quebracho" also has been removed since its yohimbine-like effects are already covered in the addition of actual yohimbine.

Note that this formula contains more caffeine than most other supplements. Limit the amounts of caffeinated beverages youconsume on days you use the formula.

Directions:

Take 1 dose twice a day 30-60 minutes before meals Note: Insulin completely blocks yohimbine's fat loss effects so it is ideally used on a low-carb/ketogenic diet. If not following a

low-carb diet, consume this formula first thing in the morning on an empty stomach before training.

Retail Cost For 30-Day Supply: $89.99

Approximate 30-Day Cost For "Knock-Off" Formula: $5.00

Savings: You Save $84.99 Per Month!

Ultra Fuel "Knock Off"

Ingredients:

* Maltodextrin: 75 g

* Fructose: 25 g

* 1/3 Packet Unsweetened Powdered Drink Mix (like Kool-Aid)

* Multi-Vitamin/Mineral: 1 daily dose

Knock Off Explanation:

The focus of Ultra Fuel is the replacement of lost carbohydrates and muscle glycogen during intense or long duration training. This is easily accomplished through ingestion of a combination

of two different slow-digesting sugars which are the main ingredients of this supplement. The addition of a multi-vitamin/mineral powder helps to facilitate recovery and nutrient usage. This addition will likely supply

more nutrients than the original formula and the cost has been excluded from price since multi's are part of so many formulas and should be standard daily supplement.

Directions:

Mix all ingredients in a container of up to 1 liter of water and consume before and/or during intense or endurance exercise.

Retail Cost For 30-Day Supply: $47.12

Approximate 30-Day Cost For "Knock-Off" Formula: $8.78

Savings: You Save $38.34 Per Month!

Catapult "Knock Off"

Ingredients:

* Maltodextrin: 9 g

* Sucrose (Table Sugar): 12 g

* L-Tyrosine: 3 g

* Caffeine Anhydrous: 200 mg

* ~ 1/4 Packet Unsweetened Powdered Drink Mix (like Kool-Aid)

Knock Off Explanation:

The focus of Catapult is to create a quick energy boost through the inclusion of table sugar (sucrose) and caffeine and then sustain energy levels through the complex carbohydrate

maltodextrin.

Alpha GPC has been removed from this formula due to any credible evidence of its effectiveness and it is a very expensive supplement to include.

The ingredients included all provide the necessary formula to achieve Catapult's intended results.

Directions:

Mix all ingredients in 8-12 ounces of water and consume 10 minutes prior to workouts.

Retail Cost For 30-Day Supply: $53.94

Approximate 30-Day Cost For "Knock-Off" Formula: $6.39

Savings: You Save $47.55 Per Month!

Purple Wraath "Knock Off"

Ingredients:

* Liquid Hydrolyzed Collagen (EAA's & BCAA's): 1 Tbsp

* Beta Alanine: 3 g

* Ginger Root Powder: 100 mg

* ~ 1/4 Packet Unsweetened Powdered Drink Mix (like Kool-Aid)

* Sucralose (calorie-free sweetener): 12-20 grams to taste

Knock Off Explanation:

Liquid collagen contains all of the essential amino acids and branched chain amino acids included within the Purple Wraath formula. If you can't order liquid collagen, you can also use a

standard liquid amino acid complex like TwinLab's Amino Fuel.

The addition of beta alanine has been increased to a level reflecting benefits from legitimate research while other questionable ingredients were omitted and combines with the L-histidine

within the collagen to form carnosine. (Note: it's suggested that creatine be included within your own formula to work synergistically with BA but is not added here)

Ginger root powder is included to aid in circulation for the removal of free fatty acids and act as an anti-inflammatory.

Directions:

Combine all ingredients with 6-14 oz. of water, and consume it pre-workout or over an extended period of time (pre-workout, during your workout, and post-workout).

(Note: Test formula with only 1/2 dose of beta alanine to see how your body reacts. Higher doses may result in a "tingling" effect that may be uncomfortable for a short period of time.)

Retail Cost For 30-Day Supply: $50.00

Approximate 30-Day Cost For "Knock-Off" Formula: $15.99

Savings: You Save $34.01 Per Month!

Cell-Tech Hardcore "Knock Off"

Ingredients:

* Creatine Ethyl Ester: 20 g/day (divided over 10 doses of 2 g throughout the day) for 5 days, followed by 5 g/day daily for the duration of the cycle

* Alpha Lipoic Acid: 200 mg

* Taurine: 1.3 g

* Glutamine AKG: 1 g

* Dextrose: 75 g

* 1/4 Packet Unsweetened Powdered Drink Mix (like Kool-Aid)

Knock Off Explanation:

Creatine Ethyl Ester and the AKG version of glutamine have been chosen for best assimilation and value. As a less expensive alternative, regular creatine and glutamine may be

used depending upon individual results. If regular glutamine is used, use twice as much.

The "driver" for maximum assimilation of the ingredients is the simple sugar dextrose which quickly raises blood sugar and insulin, shuttling nutrients into cells. Due to the resulting insulin

spike, it's recommended that this formula only be used on workout days immediately after training.

Directions:

Combine all ingredients with 6-14 oz. of water, and consume it immediately after your workout.

Retail Cost For 30-Day Supply: $85.49

Approximate 30-Day Cost For "Knock-Off" Formula: $19.06

Savings: You Save $66.43 Per Month!

CE2 Platinum "Knock Off"

Ingredients:

* Creatine Ethyl Ester: 3 g

* Glutamine AKG: 2 g

* Cinnamon Extract: 500 mg

* Maltodextrin: 10 g

* Potassium Bicarbonate: 500 mg

Knock Off Explanation:

The highest quality forms of creatine and glutamine are included in this formula (though lower quality forms may be just as effective for you at a reduced cost).

The addition of cinnamon extract and potassium are included for cellular uptake and enhanced recovery.

Directions:

Divide the dosage listed into 2 equal servings. Mix all ingredients with 4-6oz of cold water and consume your first serving immediately following your workout on an empty stomach.

A second serving should be consumed 6-8 hours after your post-workout serving, again, on an empty stomach.

Retail Cost For 30-Day Supply: $89.93

Approximate 30-Day Cost For "Knock-Off" Formula: $17.97

Savings: You Save $71.96 Per Month!

NO2 "Knock Off"

Ingredients:

* Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate: 4 g + 4 g?or 5 g + 5 g

Knock Off Explanation:

AAKG can be a powerful growth hormone inducer and increase blood flow for better "pumps" in the gym

Directions:

From the manufacturer's website: If you weigh between 160 and 200 pounds... Take 4 grams 30 minutes before breakfast and 4 grams 30 minutes before lunch (4 + 4). Keep in mind, there is no loading

phase with this formula so continue with the 4 + 4.

If you weigh OVER 200 pounds... Take 5 grams 30 minutes before breakfast and 5 grams 30 minutes before lunch (5 + 5). Keep in mind, there is no loading phase with this formula so continue with the 5 + 5.

IMPORTANT: If you miss a dose, don't worry, just continue on schedule. Do not "double dose" to try to make-up for the one you missed. Some users actually take all 10 grams first thing in

the morning just to prevent missing the afternoon dose. Not ideal, but better than continually missing doses.

Retail Cost For 30-Day Supply: $119.95

Approximate 30-Day Cost For "Knock-Off" Formula: $18.00

Savings: You Save $101.95 Per Month!

Anadrox "Knock Off"

Ingredients (1 dose):

* L-Arginine HCL: 2 g

* L-Tyrosine: 50 mg

* Green Tea Extract: 200 mg

* Caffeine: 100 mg

* 7-KETO DHEA: 50 mg

Knock Off Explanation:

AAKG can be a powerful growth hormone inducer and increase blood flow for better "pumps" in the gym through nitric oxide enhancement

Citrulline Malate has been removed only due to completely inadequate amounts included in the original formula.

7-KETO DHEA has been included due to promising credible evidence but is a very expensive supplement to include.

Testing with and without this ingredient is worthwhile to monitor changes in lean body mass and determine personal value.

DHEA can be substituted at half the dosage but should be confirmed by a physician first.

Green Tea Extract, caffeine, and l-tyrosine are added due to effectiveness and to stay closer to original formula.

Directions: Consume 1 dose in the morning and 1 dose in the afternoon.

Retail Cost For 30-Day Supply: $42.85

Approximate 30-Day Cost For "Knock-Off" Formula: $16.58

Savings: You Save $26.27 Per Month!

MyoZene Knock Off

Ingredients:

Whey Protein Hydrolysate (Liquid Amino Acid): 20 g

Whey Protein Concentrate: 25 g

Maltodextrin: 30 g

Dextrose: 30 g

Potassium Bicarbonate: 1 g

Creatine Monohydrate: 5 g

L-Glutamine: 5 g

L-Taurine: 1 g

Knock Off

Explanation:

Like MyoZene, this formula creates a post workout combination

of fast- and slow-digesting carbohydrates as well as a fast- and

slow-digesting protein profile.

Potassium bicarbonate is added for replacement of this mineral

lost during exercise as well as to buffer the damaging acid load

from stressful workouts.

Creatine, l-glutamine, and taurine are added to increase cell

volumization, reduce muscle loss, and increase protein

synthesis.

Directions:

Combine all ingredients in a blender along with non-fat milk (and

perhaps some frozen fruit like bananas and/or strawberries) and

blend until smooth.

Place in a plastic container and bring to the gym in a small lunch

cooler with ice pack for immediate consumption after your

workout.

Retail Cost For

30-Day Supply: $68.95

Approximate

30-Day Cost For

?Knock-Off?

Formula: $32.98

Savings: You Save $35.97 Per Month!
 
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Bulkamania said:
Hmm well if you try Google'ing them, most of them seem to come up. I wouldn't mind having a go at making Purple Wraath :D
Yeah, but with the sites I've found, the cost per serving is coming in more expensive than the real thing.

For example, for the Purple Wraath knock-off, you need a liquid amino acid. The cheapest I've found is by Met-Rx at £8.85 for 473ml. Google tells me that one imperial tablespoon is just under 18ml, so 473ml / 18ml is approx 26 servings. This works out as £8.85 / 26 = £0.34.

According to this site (http://www.powerbody.co.uk/product-controlled_labs_purple_wraath_purple_lemonade_1108g,288.html), the price per serving for the real thing is £0.53 (plus this may not be the best price).

Once you add in the other ingredients and P&P, it's more expensive. Admittedly, I didn't spend ages researching this, but my price per serving for Purple Wraath is about £0.71. This doesn't include P&P, which will be pricey as I'd be ordering from a load of different sites.

There must be somewhere that you can buy some of these raw, unbranded ingredients, a lot cheaper?

Either that, or someone will point out that I've got my maths completely wrong!! :confused1:
 

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mb75 said:
Yeah, but with the sites I've found, the cost per serving is coming in more expensive than the real thing.

For example, for the Purple Wraath knock-off, you need a liquid amino acid. The cheapest I've found is by Met-Rx at £8.85 for 473ml. Google tells me that one imperial tablespoon is just under 18ml, so 473ml / 18ml is approx 26 servings. This works out as £8.85 / 26 = £0.34.

According to this site (http://www.powerbody.co.uk/product-controlled_labs_purple_wraath_purple_lemonade_1108g,288.html), the price per serving for the real thing is £0.53 (plus this may not be the best price).

Once you add in the other ingredients and P&P, it's more expensive. Admittedly, I didn't spend ages researching this, but my price per serving for Purple Wraath is about £0.71. This doesn't include P&P, which will be pricey as I'd be ordering from a load of different sites.

There must be somewhere that you can buy some of these raw, unbranded ingredients, a lot cheaper?

Either that, or someone will point out that I've got my maths completely wrong!! :confused1:
Just come accross a site that specialises in amino acids. It's got some liquid amino's and apparently if you buy 2 bottles you get another 3 bottles free. Not sure if the site's legit but if it is, you can get 2365ml for £32.58 delivered.

http://www.puritanspride.co.uk/amino-acid-supplements-cid-82.html?SCID=TPUKGPD&gclid=COqWiqqA7qMCFeFc4wodAUNV4Q&pilltype=21&leftfilter
 
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Cheers mate, that's way cheaper than the one's I was looking at.

I really like the idea of being able to make them myself - it'd be like having my own crack lab!
 

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Nice posts Bulkamania... have been doing my own versions of supp's for years and now never buy any all-in-ones, always buy the individual ingredients i specifically want and mix them up myself... suppliers like Bulk Supplements Direct, MyProtein, iHerb etc are invaluable for getting the bits you want.

The great thing about doing homemade mixtures is you can mix the individual ingredients to exactly the ratios you want... is lots of fun going all mad scientist too!
 

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No problem.

Yeah it's really interesting, I could probably make Purple Wraath for about £35-£40 but that would be like 130 servings!! Alot more than you get in the actual PW tubs.
 

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nice work bulkamania, keep it coming!

unfortunately only a fraction of people will go to the lengths of making these though. people are lazy, hence the roaring trade gyms do in protein bars, MRPs, etc.
 

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Cheers mate.

Yeah I guess you're right, alot of people don't have the time to make things like this. But for people who have alot of spare time on their hands (like me :D ) it's something worth looking into :)
 
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