[Fooddestroyer]

Hey friends!
Was placed on TRT by NHS ENDOCRINOLOGIST two years ago after testing well below ‘normal’ (looong journey):

Pre TRT* TESTOSTERONE

• 8.1 nmol/l (6th Jan 2020)
• 5.8 nmol/l (27th Jan 2020)
• 10.4 nmol/l (19th Feb 2020)

I was placed on daily Testogel 50mg transdermal sachets at the end of February 2020 just before the world went nuts with COVID lockdowns.

POST TRT* TESTOSTERONE

• 10.9 nmol/l (6th Oct 2021)
• with oestrogen at 132!

Initially, I felt an initial sense of rejuvenation. Most of the negative symptoms began to ease and I didn’t ache anymore! But recently, I haven’t been feeling quite the same: as if the gels weren’t working. Back to the GP for bloods…

June 2022
Got an update from Endo after expressing how crap I felt again, symptoms relapsing:

Seems I am scraping into the lower range of 'normal' and the Endo is not willing to up-titrate my dosage even though I have explicitly asked in a response letter outlining that they are not willing to comply with BSSM Guidelines.
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Whether you agree with this next part or not, please try to understand: I have added in my own protocol of ed 0.1ml of Test Cyp 200 subcutaneous to supplement the NHS protocol of Testogel: gel on waking in the morning and a small shot of test in the evening. I'm about 3 weeks in.

I write in the hope not to get judgement (risky!) but to share my journey and also to have a healthy discussion around this sensitive topic. The NHS are generally rubbish and I am finding it hard to get support for my deficiency: it's ruining my life, and my marriage and fatherhood. I am not blessed with a lot of disposable income to get to a plush men's health clinic right now. So can anyone recommend what blood work I need to push the NHS Endo for to make sure I am staying as healthy as possible? They seem to only want to talk 'total testosterone!
TIA

 

[Fooddestroyer]

The female Endo I am 'under' won't even see me face to face! - she just sends me to the local phlebotomy clinic and gets her secretary to send me letters. FU(K

BTW - what are the most competitively priced men's health clinics in the UK? And are there any in Northern Ireland/Ireland?

 

[Fooddestroyer]

Why don't you just skip using the gel before your blood test so that your level's are completely tanked?

I was contemplating this. How many days out do I need to stop to hit a low trough?

 

[Fooddestroyer]

Also,

what bloods do I need to press my NHS Endo for? I’m sure can get access to quite a lot.

don’t want fobbed off with ‘total testosterone’ and all the other broad category readings to get me out the door again.

 

[Fooddestroyer]

What were you doing pre trt that was improving your levels and why did you cease this?

trying to work that out myself. I think I was cycling more and eating better. Maybe using a bit of DAA.

 

[Fooddestroyer]

And you do not, repeat,,DO NOT need to pin every day. Absolutely a waste of time.

thanks Simon.
Dr Robert Stevens at the Mens Health Clinic in Dorset believes different. Can you expand?
TIA

 

[Fooddestroyer]

What part do you need expansion on? There is zero need to inject a drug designed for weekly or longer injecting, every day. For some claimed benefits associated with smaller peaks on a graph.

And your optimal protocol is?

 

[Fooddestroyer]

NHS are shit mate, and it is a shame they look at things like "well your in range so thats fine" when we all know the range can be from a healthy 18yo to a 80yo so i'd say with them results your more like an 80yo! Personally its also daft what you are doing, i'd just sack the NHS off and get in touch with the ledger clinic (private affordable trt clinic) who will optimize your levels to suit you not the numbers. I'll defo be using them when my time is up on the blasting cycles.

Thank you B88F

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