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Bought some phenom Parma winny last year and not got round to using it yet.
Anybody used?
Just looking to do small cycle as just got back into training
 

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What would the total cycle look like?

Winny is often used towards the end of a cut, but like most cycles is best stacked with a test base. I wouldn't recommend taking winny on its own since the shut down likely wouldn't be worth it.
 

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What would the total cycle look like?

Winny is often used towards the end of a cut, but like most cycles is best stacked with a test base. I wouldn't recommend taking winny on its own since the shut down likely wouldn't be worth it.
I've not used in along time and only want to start light.
Cycle wise I'm not sure yet aswell, I think last time I read it was 50mg ed?
I'm not jabbing anymore
 

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I've not used in along time and only want to start light.
Cycle wise I'm not sure yet aswell, I think last time I read it was 50mg ed?
I'm not jabbing anymore
As in never jabbing again? If this is the case then eventually your gonna feel shit mate, your testosterone will plummet!! Unless you can find oral testosterone!
 

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As in never jabbing again? If this is the case then eventually your gonna feel shit mate, your testosterone will plummet!! Unless you can find oral testosterone!
Sorry I've not cycled in 5 years, I've had hole in heart filled I was born with and an infection is a bit more of a risk now than it was before. So for now in swerving jabbing
 

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Glad to hear your on the mend from that, although i don't know if any gear is a good idea if you've got heart issues! But if you are determined to just go down the oral route you may need some viagra and some serious mentality if you have a mrs because you will get shut down so hard you'll have zero sex drive.
 

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Glad to hear your on the mend from that, although i don't know if any gear is a good idea if you've got heart issues! But if you are determined to just go down the oral route you may need some viagra and some serious mentality if you have a mrs because you will get shut down so hard you'll have zero sex drive.
Ye I was on all sorts with hole in heart so I'm better than I was before, no issue.

Why would I shut down hard sorry matey, if dont mind me asking.
I've only ever really ran high dose test and tren uptil when i stopped
 

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Ye I was on all sorts with hole in heart so I'm better than I was before, no issue.

Why would I shut down hard sorry matey, if dont mind me asking.
I've only ever really ran high dose test and tren uptil when i stopped
It’s fine mate ask anything you want, any form of anabolic will stop your balls working, obviously when your a young pup with high natural test levels you don’t notice it as much but as time goes on you most certainly will, especially if you’ve done gear in the past, I talk to loads of young lads these days who have severe sex drive issues, and all they say is “but I’m only taking a bit of var or winny or dbol etc but aren’t running test, so basically as your cycle goes on your balls just aren’t pulsing testosterone anymore so without test administered you’ll have no sex drive or testosterone in your body, which in turn won’t help with the building of muscle either as test obviously builds muscle too. So basically mate if your cool with feeling that way then crack on but if you wanna get the best out of it and feel your best then add test, you only need one shot of 200-250mg a week along with some winny or var to keep things sweet.
 

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It’s fine mate ask anything you want, any form of anabolic will stop your balls working, obviously when your a young pup with high natural test levels you don’t notice it as much but as time goes on you most certainly will, especially if you’ve done gear in the past, I talk to loads of young lads these days who have severe sex drive issues, and all they say is “but I’m only taking a bit of var or winny or dbol etc but aren’t running test, so basically as your cycle goes on your balls just aren’t pulsing testosterone anymore so without test administered you’ll have no sex drive or testosterone in your body, which in turn won’t help with the building of muscle either as test obviously builds muscle too. So basically mate if your cool with feeling that way then crack on but if you wanna get the best out of it and feel your best then add test, you only need one shot of 200-250mg a week along with some winny or var to keep things sweet.
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It's the injecting I'm trying to avoid really as if I get infection I'm a it more likely to get heart infection, slim chance but again I'm not ready to jab yet.
So maybe something stronger? Oral wise
 

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It's the injecting I'm trying to avoid really as if I get infection I'm a it more likely to get heart infection, slim chance but again I'm not ready to jab yet.
So maybe something stronger? Oral wise
It’s not about upping the strength of the oral etc it’s about not having any testosterone in the mix at all, all that will happen when you add a higher dose or stronger oral is you’ll crash your testosterone even more and feel even shitter. It’s up to you dude, just go steady and listen to your body, personally if I had heart issues I wouldn’t do anything other then a shot of testosterone a week, as orals are more toxic than a simple testosterone injection
 

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It’s not about upping the strength of the oral etc it’s about not having any testosterone in the mix at all, all that will happen when you add a higher dose or stronger oral is you’ll crash your testosterone even more and feel even shitter. It’s up to you dude, just go steady and listen to your body, personally if I had heart issues I wouldn’t do anything other then a shot of testosterone a week, as orals are more toxic than a simple testosterone injection
I dont have heart issues that's the thing lol
It's just due to foreign body in my heart wall that filled hole it's not smooth so if I get infection in blood or "can" catch onto that and I'm more likely to get heart infection. That's all.
No meds. No issues before or after surgery,
I spent years with high dose test and tren and cocaine habit, which ended up me in hospital and needed my stimulant days, no ongoing issues,
But I get what your saying also, even though morals are test derivatives? Or am I making that up lol
Thanks for your opinion
 

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Ah right in that case no worries on the heart situation (y) the only oral that might make you feel like you haven't crashed hard would be proviron because that is a DHT i remember taking a 50mg winny only cycle for 8 weeks, i didn't feel too bad but i had no sex drive at all, and it was only when i came to the end of the winny cycle i crashed hard, anxiety through the roof, insomnia, couldn't even get it up lol morgot robbie could have been twerking on my groin and i'd be more interested in what her pet cats names were! Everyone is different and people do do oral only cycles but it will bite you in the arse one day, i think there is a testosterone oral (some sort of sarm) which might be worth running a long side your oral cycle just to keep you feeling right. Anyway dude whatever you decide to do, is entirely up to you.
 

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Ah right in that case no worries on the heart situation (y) the only oral that might make you feel like you haven't crashed hard would be proviron because that is a DHT i remember taking a 50mg winny only cycle for 8 weeks, i didn't feel too bad but i had no sex drive at all, and it was only when i came to the end of the winny cycle i crashed hard, anxiety through the roof, insomnia, couldn't even get it up lol morgot robbie could have been twerking on my groin and i'd be more interested in what her pet cats names were! Everyone is different and people do do oral only cycles but it will bite you in the arse one day, i think there is a testosterone oral (some sort of sarm) which might be worth running a long side your oral cycle just to keep you feeling right. Anyway dude whatever you decide to do, is entirely up to you.
Ye I'm here to learn so al take it into account mate thankyou
 
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