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all part of the governments plan to recover money from covid loans. Higher prices on items like petrol and energy bills etc = more money in VAT.

the UK government could have lowered VAT or even dropped it completely just for winter in the last budget, to help people through it, but they didnt do a thing. Higher prices = higher VAT returns.

i think its absolutely feckin shameful a country like the UK and other European countries, some of the wealthiest economies in the World, they're populations cant afford to stay warm!!
 

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As of April next year red diesel is no longer allowed on construction sites, so excavators dumpers etc will be on white along with generators. Another way in which the government is hitting construction.
 

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That was the last one, remapped bmw 435 twin turbo diesel

New one is a more sensible 260bhp 420lb torque petrol
Was driving it like an idiot, so decided for same spec but less power :rolleyes:
The diesels throw out the torque, that said that's why they were designed. My brother had the CLS Merc, V6 3L that was from memory 240ish BHP and about 500 lb/ft of torque. Ridiculous how that went...
 

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Was 50p a litre or less until recently in the england if you know someone that will sell you it, went up to 55p then 65 and now 75p in about 3 months and as you said it’s just a dye that’s so many PPM kerosene (or at least it used to be a dye in Kero)

Most people here in Northern Ireland use red diesel which is essentially normal diesel with dye added as it’s not for use on roads however many fil their cars in rural areas at 75.9p per litre
 

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Doesn't the red diesel smoke more? It doesn't have the additives like normal diesel. You can tell who is on red diesel just following them. I know people that use it but for a marine purpose only.
 

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Are you sure? The dye is added after it has been refined

What additives does normal diesel have to stop it smoking?

Doesn't the red diesel smoke more? It doesn't have the additives like normal diesel. You can tell who is on red diesel just following them. I know people that use it but for a marine purpose only.
 

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Doesn't the red diesel smoke more? It doesn't have the additives like normal diesel. You can tell who is on red diesel just following them. I know people that use it but for a marine purpose only.
This is a myth from people seeing 306 d turbos, jettas and other clapped out cars with the turbo screwed out so the black smoke comes puffing out as they think it looks cool. Red diesel doesn’t smoke any different from a normal exhaust than white
 

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Are you sure? The dye is added after it has been refined

What additives does normal diesel have to stop it smoking?
I'm going back in time a bit because it can't be bought in my area. I worked on cars and it was known by mechanics then it smoked more. Times may have changed but you could tell once, I am not telling a lie. It may be more refined now.
 

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As of April next year red diesel is no longer allowed on construction sites, so excavators dumpers etc will be on white along with generators. Another way in which the government is hitting construction.
might be a stupid question, i take it white diesel is the same as regular diesel vehicles use? If so does that just more people will be stealing it off construction sites? Obv red diesel stains filters and if caught can/will be fined.
 

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might be a stupid question, i take it white diesel is the same as regular diesel vehicles use? If so does that just more people will be stealing it off construction sites? Obv red diesel stains filters and if caught can/will be fined.
yes white diesel is just normal diesel. There is red and green diesel which is the same diesel which has had due added to it to show it’s not for road use and costs at the minute between 75-85p per litre. Often in rural areas HMRC dip stations are set up on road check points to dip vans, lorries. Pick ups, ect they don’t normally dip cars only vehicles used for business purposes taxis and the like.
Next year when it’s replaced with normal diesel just need to find a corrupt farmer to sell you some
 

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It has fewer detergents in it also. Without a doubt fuel theft will increase on sites.
fines use to be a fixed sum but now they only fine for what you have in your tank. They use to dip your tank and crack injectors.
it will push all prices up by at least £1/L
So up to £50 day per machine depending on site of kit.
 

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It has fewer detergents in it also. Without a doubt fuel theft will increase on sites.
fines use to be a fixed sum but now they only fine for what you have in your tank. They use to dip your tank and crack injectors.
it will push all prices up by at least £1/L
So up to £50 day per machine depending on site of kit.
yeh exactly they have prove your running on it at the time. When people say it stains your tank n stuff it’s total bollocks. Even if they could prove you had been using red diesel in the past there’s no way to prove it was used illegally. I ran on red diesel for about 2 years would always been round Immingham docks where they regularly tested wagons I never got stopped though.
Red diesel also has/had a higher amount of bio ethanol in. Like E10 does now. Not sure on the quantity but I remember talking with some of the chemists on the refineries and they said. They also said Thts how you can tell if it’s red diesel and the dye has been removed. It has a different density, they test it with floats in the lab
 

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It has fewer detergents in it also. Without a doubt fuel theft will increase on sites.
fines use to be a fixed sum but now they only fine for what you have in your tank. They use to dip your tank and crack injectors.
it will push all prices up by at least £1/L
So up to £50 day per machine depending on site of kit.
not sure where you get this from but having worked with HMRC I can say this factually isn’t true. The tank gets dipped at the road Side with a conventional dipper a picture taken of the Rubens like fuel then a quick roadside test is carried out on the sample. Paperwork and fine issued and the driver can pay by card or go to ATM to get funds. It’s not based on how many litres are in the tank
 

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yeh exactly they have prove your running on it at the time. When people say it stains your tank n stuff it’s total bollocks. Even if they could prove you had been using red diesel in the past there’s no way to prove it was used illegally. I ran on red diesel for about 2 years would always been round Immingham docks where they regularly tested wagons I never got stopped though.
Red diesel also has/had a higher amount of bio ethanol in. Like E10 does now. Not sure on the quantity but I remember talking with some of the chemists on the refineries and they said. They also said Thts how you can tell if it’s red diesel and the dye has been removed. It has a different density, they test it with floats in the lab
It does stain your fuel filter but that doesn’t matter. HMRC customs and revenue only dip the tank and check the sample they take from the tank if red. If you didn’t get stopped it’s likely you weren’t driving a van, taxi, mobile business or lorry. They aren’t interested in cars used for SDP
 

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It does stain your fuel filter but that doesn’t matter. HMRC customs and revenue only dip the tank and check the sample they take from the tank if red. If you didn’t get stopped it’s likely you weren’t driving a van, taxi, mobile business or lorry. They aren’t interested in cars used for SDP
a paper filter wikl stain obviously but I’ve heard so many times that it stains the fuel tank 😂
I was driving a battered escort van that’s why I was surprised I never got stopped.
As you say though, even if your fuel filter was stained red it wouldn’t matter a **** because there’s no way to prove it was used on the road. What is the fine for a first offence? I heard it was £500 years ago when I was running red but I had easily saved 10x that iver 2 years so it was cost effective even if I had been fined 😉😂
 

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a paper filter wikl stain obviously but I’ve heard so many times that it stains the fuel tank 😂
I was driving a battered escort van that’s why I was surprised I never got stopped.
As you say though, even if your fuel filter was stained red it wouldn’t matter a **** because there’s no way to prove it was used on the road. What is the fine for a first offence? I heard it was £500 years ago when I was running red but I had easily saved 10x that iver 2 years so it was cost effective even if I had been fined 😉😂
Yea £250 for having it in the tank then another £250 for them to drain it. Many don’t care as they usually have saved way more than the £500 and just budget the £500 for if and when they get caught and it’s an exicse duty not a criminal offence many don’t care
 

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Interesting reading re red diesel. Does the same go for central heating oil?
I have been running on waste chip fat for over a decade now and wouldn't go back to pump fuel if I can avoid it.
Costs around 20p a litre and takes me about 15 mins a week to make all the fuel I need.
I mix 10% petrol into the veg oil to thin it out and Ive been trying to find a source of misfuel (stuff drained from peoples tanks who filled up with the wrong fuel) but it's hard to get hold of as places are funny about selling a waste product to a random.
 

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Interesting reading re red diesel. Does the same go for central heating oil?
I have been running on waste chip fat for over a decade now and wouldn't go back to pump fuel if I can avoid it.
Costs around 20p a litre and takes me about 15 mins a week to make all the fuel I need.
I mix 10% petrol into the veg oil to thin it out and Ive been trying to find a source of misfuel (stuff drained from peoples tanks who filled up with the wrong fuel) but it's hard to get hold of as places are funny about selling a waste product to a random.
and what do you drive?
 
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