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Okay im tall and im thin im the very definition of an ectomorph, i can lose 5lbs a day if i dont eat constantly, i cant store muscle or fat. And im weight lifting bad idea huh..

Ive started trying to down the calories hard. Ive done a lot of reading.. im basically eating as much protein as i can mainly from eggs, peanut butter, meat and milk. I also read that for ectomorphs in training we should also consume a lot of fat and calories to provide bulk.. it didnt sound so reliable but im not an expert so i dont know.

Any ecto's here who could drill me on the solid principles of bulking?
 
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5lbs a day could be water weight! Eggs = Brilliant, peanut butter and milk are great for adding cals but they contain slow digesting proteins & IMO shouldn't really be used as such but before bed! You'll have to post up your stats, diet & routine.
 

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Okay im male, 21 years old, 6''4' and im 170lbs, im pretty light and scrawny for my height. My biology naturaly has me screwed because i have a tall thin frame which i cant do anything about really.

The most ive ever been is about 185lbs when i was doing martial arts but im no where near as fit as i used to be and staying above 170 is a constant challange.

Went through a bad spot about 14 months ago depressed and all that but thing is i went down to 139lbs and it happened in literally 4 months. Thats 40+ pounds for a guy whos already skinny as can be so i can lose it damn fast if i slack.

Ive also got hyperthyroidism.. cant process fat really, i can eat 4000 calories and not get any heavier usually.
 

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CoffeeFiend said:
Ive also got hyperthyroidism.. cant process fat really, i can eat 4000 calories and not get any heavier usually.
Untreated hyperthyroidism will make any significant weight gain extremely difficult... what treatment are you getting?
 

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Untreated hyperthyroidism will make any significant weight gain extremely difficult... what treatment are you getting?
None what so ever, im British our national health system is notoriously awful.. my doctor basically said there was no point seeking treatment. I would like to trial radioiodine treatment to see if it has any effect. Unfortunately the only way i can likely get it is if i go private and pay for it which i certainly cant afford, im unemployed im a uni student.
 

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ooomoo said:
add 3 bulking shakes and fish oil tabs with every meal, im the same, was 7 stone at 20, over 13 now, jus takes time and work bud
Hey cheers mate i might look into fish oil capsules/tablets i think their pretty cheap so may be a pretty good idea. When you say bulking shakes do you mean like protein shakes? Or are they different things? Ive heard supplements are pretty expensive, ive only heard of whey and creatine but really dont know anything about either, other than their pretty expensive.
 

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None what so ever, im British our national health system is notoriously awful.. my doctor basically said there was no point seeking treatment. I would like to trial radioiodine treatment to see if it has any effect. Unfortunately the only way i can likely get it is if i go private and pay for it which i certainly cant afford, im unemployed im a uni student.
Sounds familiar... five years ago I had two short hyperthyroid episodes (lost 45lbs in total, mostly muscle), and they spent so long messing up test results and trying to decide what to do/what my precise diagnosis was that when my body stabilised I decided just not to go back to the specialist any more... they had no clue.

Best way to get extra calories, if that's what you feel you need, is through shakes. Make them too high in protein and you may supress your appetite (not good if looking to gain) so always add some carbs (dextrose, maltodextrin) and fats (olive oil, hemp oil, coconut fat sometimes) too :)
 

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4000 calories sounds a lot, what's the breakdown pro/carb/fat?
My break down currently is all over the place ive been at my parents for the summer, when i move back into the city on my own i can get back into a routine. I basically tried to go 50/50 on carbs and protein and ignore sugar and fatty foods (unless it was meat and stuff for the protein).

I read though.. if your very skinny you should actually diet and train the opposite way to most people and actually consume lots of fat and calories. But its confusing me a bit. Heres a basic kind of meal thing i tried sticking to:

Breakfast

2 Peanut butter sandwichs (i hear their good for protein and calories)

Glass of milk

Bowl of Porridge

4 eggs scrambled (does it matter how the eggs are prepared?)

A banana

Lunch

Tuna and pasta

or tuna sandwichs

Dinner

Basically just meat.. what ever i can afford i try for chicken

Brocoli i eat a lot

Before i go to sleep..

Peanut sandwiches again.. just for the calories

I need a lot of guidance on the diet, im trying to be healthy but at the same time downing as many calories as i can
 

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GeordieSteve said:
No where near 4000 cals there fella. Shoot for 6-7 small meals a day
Yeah i didnt mean the ^^ above example was meant to be 4000 your right its way under. But ive tried that many in the past and its not worked. 6-7 small meals is going to be hard i think, but its what im hearing from people more and more.
 

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It's just an easier way of taking in lots of calories without stuffing yourself with huge meals.

6-7 meals is really hard until you get used to it then it's not a problem. Doesn't take long :)
 

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Defo need more sleep mate!

3 most important things for training are diet, lifting and SLEEP.

Me being 17 also like to stay up a bit, but the more sleep you get the more you recover.

Will probably help you put on weight too.

im also an ectomorph, not as tall as you, only 6' 1, do you have any whey protein or anything? How much tuna do you have in your tuna sandwiches? I usually have 2 tins a day. Put on a stone in the last 6 weeks, just eat eat eat theres not much more too it. Even when you're not hungry just eat.

Oh and drink pleanty of water too
 

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Barker said:
Defo need more sleep mate!

3 most important things for training are diet, lifting and SLEEP.

Me being 17 also like to stay up a bit, but the more sleep you get the more you recover.

Will probably help you put on weight too.

im also an ectomorph, not as tall as you, only 6' 1, do you have any whey protein or anything? How much tuna do you have in your tuna sandwiches? I usually have 2 tins a day. Put on a stone in the last 6 weeks, just eat eat eat theres not much more too it. Even when you're not hungry just eat.

Oh and drink pleanty of water too
As much as i can fit in, ive heard tuna is excellent for protein and the oils are very useful, i need to read into oils a bit more because someone else said they would be useful.

Being an ecto sure is a bitch -_-

I keep hearing about whey and it sounds like the staple supplement that everyone uses, is it expensive?
 

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Whey is pretty good, i'd suggest it, although it is not a replacement. You should have it on top of a lot of food just to boost the protein up a little. As an ecto ive found it great, although if i come off it my weight starts to drop.

Try www.bulkpowders.co.uk, ive had one of their 5kg tubs and im on the 2nd from them now. Un flavored, i just down it in one, sometimes throw a couple of raw eggs in too :)
 
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