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100% agree. I think people are way more likely to abuse ‘fat loss’ drugs as a shortcut. They’ll inevitably rebound and end up worse than before.
Even for experienced people, why take all those drugs when diet and training and going to get you there regardless? It’s not like you can’t get below 15% naturally then need the drugs to get lower.
Steroids and muscle growth are completely different, of course.
 

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100% agree. I think people are way more likely to abuse ‘fat loss’ drugs as a shortcut. They’ll inevitably rebound and end up worse than before.
Even for experienced people, why take all those drugs when diet and training and going to get you there regardless? It’s not like you can’t get below 15% naturally then need the drugs to get lower.
Steroids and muscle growth are completely different, of course.
Exactly. Once you're down into single digits then it probably dose get a little more difficult as your maintenance will have dropped quite a lot and your strength will have taken a noticeable dip which isn't great for morale. But for the average PED user looking to cut to 10-12% to unveil some ab definition, it should never really warrant anything too drastic. A lot of the time they do it because they've left themselves in a time crunch and want to hit a certain level of condition before a certain date (holiday or whatever), but that could be avoided by better planning or not getting too out of shape during the bulk to begin with by just doing this same thing but slowly adding calories.
 

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20th June

Pre-legs motivation:


And a scoop of PWO at the gym. Can’t remember the brand. Blue raspberry flavour. Tasted pretty good.
Creeping Death Week 5, Session 3 (Legs):

Cardio Work
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  • 45 minute outdoor cycle
Legs Session:
  • Lying leg curl 12, 10, 8, 6 - Standard pyramid sets. The Primal leg curl machine feels a million times smoother than the 30-year old one at my usual gym.
  • Leg press 3 x 8 - Emphasis on exploding up. This is the main progressive overload movement for leg sessions for weeks 5-8. Went with narrow stance as I find it more comfortable. Took a good few warm-up sets to find my working weight as the machine is angled differently than my usual leg press.
  • Smith lunge 3 x 10 - Leading foot raised slightly. 30 second deep quad stretch after the final rep of each set.
  • Leg extension 3 x 8 - partials to failure after the final set. Shaking like crazy during the negatives here.
  • Barbell SLDL 3 x 8 - Strength was sapped by this point.
  • Leg press calf raise 3 x 20, 3 x 8 - had to improve as the gym didn’t have a stand-alone calf raise. Lighter weight for pump and then heavier sets afterwards. Tibia raise in between sets.
Thought I would test the gym out during peak hours and it was surprisingly not too busy at all. Definitely going to try to get a session a week in here as the equipment and atmosphere is really good. My only gripe is it gets REALLY hot, but that makes the pump better so it ain’t all bad.

Had a little play around with some of the other kit to familiarise myself with what they have afterwards. Some great pieces. They have an incline press that feels super smooth. I tried to hang between the Olympic Rings but I was shaking too much to lift myself an inch.

Cycling home in the sun and going to cook some fajitas for tea tonight. Starving right now.
 

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Oh, also, Doctor has prescribed short-term course of Zopiclone as I commented about my sleep quality being poor during our last chat. He was only willing to prescribe a 5-day course. You’d think I was asking for a crack cocaine prescription the way he rabbited on about how addictive it can be. I plan on taking a tablet at around 9-9:30PM each night this week to reestablish my sleep routine as I’ve been tossing and turning until 2AM some nights, which is obviously far from ideal from a rest/stress standpoint. After that, I’ll grab some Melatonin from Amazon. A friend of mine bought some after a post from Dante and has been taking 20mg before bed and his REM sleep reading has gone from 1 hour to 2.5 hours since he started. That’s a big difference for a supplement that is so easy to come by and costs pennies.
 

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Oh, also, Doctor has prescribed short-term course of Zopiclone as I commented about my sleep quality being poor during our last chat. He was only willing to prescribe a 5-day course. You’d think I was asking for a crack cocaine prescription the way he rabbited on about how addictive it can be. I plan on taking a tablet at around 9-9:30PM each night this week to reestablish my sleep routine as I’ve been tossing and turning until 2AM some nights, which is obviously far from ideal from a rest/stress standpoint.
This is why mate, a post I wrote previously:-

Z Drugs not for Sleep.

A catch all term for Zaleplon, Zolpidem and Zopiclone - all of which, appropriately, help you catch more Zs. According to a university study, they significantly increase your risk of bone fractures, while reviews have linked them to car crashes due to sleep driving. In addition, they can cause dizziness, make you forgetful and the body can develop a tolerance to their effects quite quickly.
 

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Took 7.5 Zopiclone at 9PM, up to bed by 10PM and asleep shortly after until 7:30PM this morning. Much better than usual. Will do this for 5 days and should hopefully feel much more rested by the end of the week.
 

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21st June

Today’s pre-training motivation:


Creeping Death Week 5, Session 4 (Push - Pump):

60 seconds rest in between sets unless specified otherwise.

Cardio Work:
  • 30 minute outdoor cycle - Weather's still very pleasant!
  • 30 minutes maximum incline treadmill power-walk at 135-145 BPM - Finished with a nice sheen of sweat on my forehead.

Push Session:
  • Machine press 4 x 10 - Plenty of warm-up sets beforehand. 90 seconds rest in between working sets. Opted for plate-loaded incline press this time. Pressing strength is improving steadily at the moment. Really trying to focus on a good stretch/contraction with every rep and progressively adding weight th my presses as I desperately want my chest to grow.
  • Pec-minor dip 4 x 8 superset with dips 4 x 10 - No lockout on the regular dips. Excellent pump going from one movement focusing on a hard contraction to another movement focusing on constant tension. Would recommend trying this one for sure.
  • Smith machine shoulder press 4 x 8 superset with lateral DB raise 4 x 8- Routine gave the option of this or cage press. Opted for Smith after watching the Levrone vid pre-training. Hard flex/contraction at the top of each rep during the pressing, the exaggerated contraction pumps my shoulders like crazy. Used the heaviest DB's I could maintain good form with for 8 reps for the raises. Shoulders were on fire afterwards and looked like boulders.
  • Pronated kickback 4 x 10 - Used cable rather than DB like last time to keep more tension on the triceps throughout the movement. Not my favourite exercise by any stretch of the imagination but don't want to substitute too many exercises out.
  • Floor press 4 x 8 - Heavy sets to finish the tricep demolition.

Taxing session in the heat.

The routine advised a Pull today but my lower back is feeling a little bit tender after yesterday's leg session, so I did the Push session instead. Unusual exercise selection, I like to do some kind of fly movement for chest usually. Back to my usual gym, although I do need to try a Push session at The Strength Collective soon as the Primal chest press machines feel fantastic.
I have an appointment booked in with my Doctor at mid-day tomorrow for full blood work. I will update if any markers are out of whack. He is going to continue trying to expedite my appointment with the GI Specialist as he agrees it is ridiculous how long I'm having to wait considering my symptoms are still very bothersome.
Went in to the office today. Nice change actually. Working from home is cool because I can stay in bed longer and take a break to relax or cook whenever I need to, but it is nice to get out and interact with other human beings occasionally.
Another early night on the cards tonight. Want to be asleep by 11PM at the latest every night this week and get my sleeping schedule back on track. I’m sick of feeling tired all the time.
Current cycle is:
  • 250mg Test E
  • 250mg Primo E
  • 25mg Anavar
  • 20mg Turinabol
  • And will add 3-4IU GH M-F when I get the Optritropin off my friend. Only have the 1 kit which I believe is 120IU, more of an experiment than anything else to see if I feel much benefit from it.
 

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Oh, also, Doctor has prescribed short-term course of Zopiclone as I commented about my sleep quality being poor during our last chat. He was only willing to prescribe a 5-day course. You’d think I was asking for a crack cocaine prescription the way he rabbited on about how addictive it can be. I plan on taking a tablet at around 9-9:30PM each night this week to reestablish my sleep routine as I’ve been tossing and turning until 2AM some nights, which is obviously far from ideal from a rest/stress standpoint. After that, I’ll grab some Melatonin from Amazon. A friend of mine bought some after a post from Dante and has been taking 20mg before bed and his REM sleep reading has gone from 1 hour to 2.5 hours since he started. That’s a big difference for a supplement that is so easy to come by and costs pennies.
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TBF mate I used to use 50mg of promethazine, equivalent to 15mg zopiclone for months and believe me when I say I had sleep withdrawals. My hallucinations make it hard to sleep as it Is, but without my usual sleeping meds it make it a nightmare..

I think he could've prescribed them for a few weeks at least, the addiction at that point ain't so bad. It's when it's months on months it gets hard.
 

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TBF mate I used to use 50mg of promethazine, equivalent to 15mg zopiclone for months and believe me when I say I had sleep withdrawals. My hallucinations make it hard to sleep as it Is, but without my usual sleeping meds it make it a nightmare..

I think he could've prescribed them for a few weeks at least, the addiction at that point ain't so bad. It's when it's months on months it gets hard.
Thanks doctor
 

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22nd June

Today’s pre-training motivation:


Creeping Death Week 5, Session 5 (Pull - Pump):

60 seconds rest in between sets unless specified otherwise.

Cardio Work:
  • 30 minutes maximum incline treadmill power-walk at 135-145 BPM
  • 30 minute cycle
Core:
  • Decline bench leg raise 4 x failure
  • Decline sit-up 4 x failure
Pull Session:
  • Seated cable row 4 x 12 - Hard squeeze and contraction with each rep to get some blood in. Used neutral grip.
  • Straight arm push-down 4 x 8 superset with supinated pull-down 4 x 8 - Used individual D-handle for pull-downs. Driving elbows down forcefully with each rep. Great pump and probably my favourite superset for back.
  • Prone shrug 4 x 10 - Still getting used to these. Hadn’t done them before running this split.
  • DB curl 4 x 8 - Palms facing up the whole time. Big contraction with each rep.
  • Hammer curls 4 x 12 - Forearms were fried after these.
All done.

Weather is still great. Worked from home today so spent some time at the table in the back garden working in the sun. Nice to get some fresh air.

Visited the Doctor’s office to have bloods taken. He’s going to attempt to fast-track my next appointment but I’m not getting my hopes up. I called the hospital recently and they claim they will try to get me in at some point before the end of July. Had a chat with him about feeling like I’ve been in a bit of a slump mentally recently. Obviously the first thing he recommended was antidepressant drugs, but I’ve got no interest in using them. I think a big part of it is the fact that I don’t feel in control and my future is uncertain with the health issues and the waiting around. Similar feeling to when I was waiting for my court date and sentencing a few years ago. I like to be in control and know what the future holds. When I don't, I feel stressed.

I’m going to try to take more time to relax and avoid stress. I’m sure I’ll feel much better when I know I’m making progress getting my colitis under control once I’ve seen a specialist and so on. Until then, I need to do things in my control to live a stress-free life. Making sure to get enough sleep and keeping my diet as clean as possible now.

He said he can possibly fast track me if he suggests I’m showing symptoms of bowel cancer, but I’d rather not tempt fate with the C word just to speed things up.

Going to throw some quarter pounders in the Air Fryer shortly. Toasted bun, cheese, grilled onions, pickles, ketchup and mustard with a side of sweet potato fries. Should be good. Haven’t ate much at all today.
 

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Mate I was diagnosed with UC 5/6 years ago. The best advice I can give you to help/stop your flares and keep you in remission is.

1. Cut out spicy foods.
2. Caffeine at a minimum. It’s no good at all for UC especially in high doses i.e pre workout.
2. Alcohol to be limited.
4. Stress is a big one. Not easy to control this one but this is big factor when it comes to flare up’s.

Im sure you’ve done plenty reading yourself and will know this already, but that’s just my top 4.

Obviously on top of this I’m on Pentasa to keep me in remission. Have a look online at diets etc. Recommended diets for during a flare and when in remission are totally opposite.

Diet while experiencing a flare is recommend low fibre where as when in remission high fibre/normal fibre is recommended. Have a look round yourself and am sure your will find plenty online to help.
 

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Mate I was diagnosed with UC 5/6 years ago. The best advice I can give you to help/stop your flares and keep you in remission is.

1. Cut out spicy foods.
2. Caffeine at a minimum. It’s no good at all for UC especially in high doses i.e pre workout.
2. Alcohol to be limited.
4. Stress is a big one. Not easy to control this one but this is big factor when it comes to flare up’s.

Im sure you’ve done plenty reading yourself and will know this already, but that’s just my top 4.

Obviously on top of this I’m on Pentasa to keep me in remission. Have a look online at diets etc. Recommended diets for during a flare and when in remission are totally opposite.

Diet while experiencing a flare is recommend low fibre where as when in remission high fibre/normal fibre is recommended. Have a look round yourself and am sure your will find plenty online to help.
Thanks for this. I think I’ve veered away from spicy foods without consciously deciding to since I’ve had the symptoms. Caffeine I probably overdo and could definitely look to reduce. I don’t drink alcohol and stress is a tricky one as being stuck in limbo is definitely stressful. I’ll take all of this in to account and do some more reading.
 

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You don’t sleep great either right? I think it’s an enormous part of the puzzle. Hoping to get my REM sleep up soon.
My watch reckons on average 75+ restless moments, less than half hour deep sleep, an hour REM, 4-8 awake periods over 7 hours light sleep. Absolutely shocking. It's improving since I dropped the tren, even at 200mg it was destroying my sleep.

Its my last thing to work on. Dropped caffeine to 1 normal brew in a morning only now.

Very difficult to live with.
 
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