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That's a poor measure of vaccine effectiveness, it's unadjusted and fails to take into account literally all variables as listed in the footnotes on that page. Vaccine effectiveness is shown in a different section.

But if we look at your observation that vaccinated people are testing positive at twice the rate of unvaccinated people it still shows vaccine effectiveness given that only 18% of the population are classed as unvaccinated (1 dose or none).

If the vaccines were ineffective we should be seeing a situation where unvaccinated people were testing positive at a rate 4.5 times less than vaccinated people rather than 2 times less frequently as you have observed.
So 'something' is causing unvaxxed people to test positive more than twice as often as you'd expect given their low representation in the general population.. That 'something' is their lack of vaccination. They must be getting infected, becoming ill enough to motivate them to be get tested (I would bet that unvaxxed people are less likely to get a test) and then testing positive like crazy to become so over represented in that table.

In other news, a hospital in cwmbran recently reported that every single one of its covid patients in ICU was neither vaccinated nor in a high risk age group.
 

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Ok so you believe the data they present but don’t believe when they explain why that data isn’t an indicator or the vaccines effectiveness? 🤔

Or! Is it that the data suits your anti establishment, conspiracy narrative but the explanation doesn’t so you’ll only believe the bits that suit you?

You can’t have it both ways. If they wanted to lie about it don’t you think they would falsify the data?
Neither the data nor the explanation suit his narrative. In his assessment of the data he failed to factor in the small proportion of the population who are classed as unvaccinated (1 jab or none). If he had factored that in he would have realised that unvaccinated people are testing positive at more than twice the rate they should be IF the vaccines were ineffective.
Even the raw data demonstrates vaccine effectiveness before you control for anything else.
 

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Both sets of data refer to "case rates" . So the size of each group (vaxxed / unvaxxed) is irrelevant. This is where the confusion in your above post is stemming from.
You're right there, I concede. It does look on the face of it as though vaxxed are getting infected a lot more but I'll read the section on vaccine effectiveness. I'm no statistician or epidemiologist and as such any direct comparisons have become difficult for the likes of us, because as soon as the Vax program got underway restrictions were lifted wholesale so there is a lot to consider.
As vlb said above though there is no doubt whatsoever that people are drastically less likely to die from covid since the vaccine program. Could be other factors at play too but it appears to show the Vax reduces serious illness.
 

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Seen this Cummings has offered to give evidence under oath that BoJo lied to parliament.

After the absolute nonsense story he insulted the public with when he himself made a mockery lockdown rules l. his word is worth less than a runny turd.

The dudes bitterness and vindictiveness knows no bounds. Pure human excrement.

One thing to come out of it. It shows they all knew the draconian rules were a load of nonsense and unnecessary.
Bojo has been caught red handed for lying before and sacked for it from previous jobs. It's most likely he has lied to try to cover his back over the parties. If cummings and hancock had to resign over their breaches of lockdown rules, which didn't amount to having a big party repeatedly then everyone who attended the parties should have to resign too otherwise it's total hypocrisy/ double standards. Personally I hope Bojo stays as PM until the next election as he's currently making a right mess of the tory parties reputation.
 

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with you on this one, both proven liars so who is one meant to believe.

The thing for me is that Cummings knows where the bodies are buried and he clearly has the hump with bojo, a true popcorn moment.





I dont think Cummings resigned over the barnard castle shit, i think he was bashing heads (not a pun) with bojos missus and bojo began to sideline him. Not only has bojo broken covid rules but he broke the golden rule......bro's before hoes 😂

died in the wool tories must be pulling their hair out over this, up until this shit labour were no where to be seen in the polls, life had never been so good for the tories, massive leads in the polls despite the numerous covid & brexit fiascos, labour rife with infighting, humping labour in red wall seats.

then bojos lying catches up with him and it all starts to crumble like a house of cards.....

poetic as ****
The British public have a very short memory. Remember when labour was the party of antisemitism? Nothing much to be seen about that since the election and now they're as far ahead in the polls as the Tories were when they won their landslide election. What was ridiculous about the antisemitism row was that there are no direct quotes of JC being anti-Semitic, it was all by association and extrapolation. Meanwhile Bojo can be directly quoted as having made racist, homophobic and Islamophobic comments not to mention his track record as a proven liar and that caused him no trouble during the election lol. The owners for the MSM massively enabled him to win and they will have a similar influence at the next election.
 
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