[robbo1845]

Hi looking to run a new cycle to put some mass on over winter, only done tabs before now and stuck clear of jabs but bite the bullet I guess.

I'm 25, 5'11 and way a pretty lean 12.5st so what sort of gains should I expect and what's best dosage??

Looking to cycle d'bol tabs with deca and test-ent

With hcg 5000iu and clomid for pct

Thanks

 

[hilly]

all you need is 500mg test and a huge amount of food

 

[robbo1845]

Oops forgot I was going to go for 400mg deca and 500mg test at mid cycle, with loading at start etc

 

[Dagman72]

all you need is 500mg test and a huge amount of food

Agree with hilly, just say you run the cycle your planning as a first cycle - what amounts and stuff would you be taking say on a fifth cycle??

500mg of test, good food plan and training and you will gain - if not your doing something wrong and more mg is not the answer.

 

[robbo1845]

all you need is 500mg test and a huge amount of food

You think to ditch the deca and d'bol then?

I thought to stack as I find gaining size hard, cutting up I'm ok but wanna try hit 14st lean.

O and thinking of running 12weeks on course with 3weeks pct

 

[robbo1845]

I've ran d'bol courses in the past and seen good gains but known bugger all about pct it just dropped straight off. Just wanna make sure this time I do it right and keep as much as possible

 

[Dagman72]

You think to ditch the deca and d'bol then?

I thought to stack as I find gaining size hard, cutting up I'm ok but wanna try hit 14st lean.

O and thinking of running 12weeks on course with 3weeks pct

Yes ditch the deca and dbol, could run them in future cycles.

Gaining size hard - what is your food plan?

12 weeks cycle is fine - are you planning on running Test-e?

 

[robbo1845]

Yeah test-e most likely, heard better things about it compared to sust off ppl I've spoke too in past.

Food plan, it's not religious but try eat low fat

Average day:

8.00 shake and oats

10.00 banana and yoghurt

12.00 energy drink or haribo

12.30 train

14.00 shake and shortly after sandwich (chicken or tuna)

16.00 chicken wrap or similar

19.00 tea (usually chicken based with jacket or pasta)

21.00 shake and treat

Obviously I snack in-between peanuts, fruit etc not really a junk food eater

 

[Suitelf11]

12.00 energy drink or haribo

What the **** is this :lol:

 

[Dagman72]

Yeah test-e most likely, heard better things about it compared to sust off ppl I've spoke too in past.

Food plan, it's not religious but try eat low fat

Average day:

8.00 shake and oats

10.00 banana and yoghurt

12.00 energy drink or haribo

12.30 train

14.00 shake and shortly after sandwich (chicken or tuna)

16.00 chicken wrap or similar

19.00 tea (usually chicken based with jacket or pasta)

21.00 shake and treat

Obviously I snack in-between peanuts, fruit etc not really a junk food eater

If your running Test-e then begin PCT 2 weeks after last jab.

Concerning food plan:

Not enough protein, carbs and fat

Need to measure out things

Get some real food in you (to much snack meals)

No veg mentioned

After your 8am meal in the morning till 14.00 - hardly any protein.

This is why your not growing, the food part is hard but you really need to change it to gain the size you require.

Please don't do any cycle until your food plan is sorted - it will be a total waste.

Sorry, just trying to help.

 

[noel]

cycle is sound

diet at present wont enable you to maxime the benefit IMO

need to have weights - as shake and oats could be 20g of each or 100g of each

why not something like this just as an idea

8am 6 eggs and tin of pineapple plus 1 scoop of whey (if needed)

10pm chicken or beef plus 100g cooked rice plus green veg and 5-10g of good fats

12pm 50g protein and 50g Carbs Shake

2pm post workout 50g protein plus 50g carbs

4pm chicken or beef plus 100g cooked rice plus green veg and 5-10g of good fats

6pm chicken or beef plus 100g cooked rice plus green veg and 5-10g of good fats

8pm tub of quark with spoon of whey and some berries or cottage cheese for final meal add some carbs if needed

 

[robbo1845]

Thanks Noel sounds good plan, to be honest at present I tend to eat big portions of an evening as work kinda messes wit my daytime routine but the gym there is ace

I feel some Tupperware containers comin out, cus my diets gotta change to be honest. Just work and kids get me sidetracked

 

[robbo1845]

12.00 energy drink or haribo

What the **** is this :lol:

Lol! I mean like nosxplode something like that to give me boost, but if I'm on a budget week I just throw some haribo down me for the energy

 

[robbo1845]

Found a diet plan of another thread, seems like one I could stick to easily with work,

Opinions?

Breakfast - 100 gram oats , 4 eggs , 30 gram whey protein

2 hours later - 100 gram brown rice , 1 tbsp olive oil , 200 gram chicken

2 hours later - 1 protein shake , 100 gram oats , 2 tbsp olive oil .

Train

Pwo- 500 ml lucozade , 50 gram whey protein

1 hour later - 100g Brown rice, 1 8oz steak , 1 tbsp olive oil

1-2 hours later 30 grams whey , 100 grams oats ,

Before bed - 300 gram cottage cheese.

Does that look like enough for me , do i need to be eating more ? any help would be greatly appreciated.