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Do you all agree with the below quote taken from another site:

Arimidex halts the conversion of testosterone into estrogen, and thus helps to prevent those side effects from occurring. Typically, in breast cancer studies, we see a dose of about 1mg/day being used, and in steroid using athletes, this is also the amount we would often see. That dose may be slightly excessive, however. In a study conducted on males, examining estrogen suppression in males caused by Arimidex, both .5mg and 1mg doses of were shown to decrease estrogen by around 50%. In both the 1 and .5mg groups in that same study, testosterone levels were raised significantly and both LH and FSH also went up slightly. (1)

In my mind, this is reason enough to suggest only using the stuff at a dose of .5mgs/day, as a preventative measure against water retention and gyno. If, however, you are trying to actually reduce pain from breast tissue which has already begun to hurt and show early signs of gyno, then you'll have to use the full 1mg dose, even though it only provides a slight % more estrogen suppression.

When testosterone converts to estrogen in males, it feeds into the negative feedback loop that causes testosterone to cease being produced. Therefore, most compounds that will lower aromatization, such as an AI like Arimidex, will also raise testosterone by inhibition of the negative feedback loop that signals your body to halt testosterone production. In fact, in the case of Arimidex, the elevation in Testosterone provided by the inhibition of estrogen is so large that it can actually be used as a very mild form of testosterone replacement therapy for already hypogonadal men (2). Although, this points to its use in post-cycle-therapy, I hold the personal opinion that for numerous reasons Arimidex is beArimidex halts the conversion of testosterone into estrogen, and thus helps to prevent those side effects from occurring. Typically, in breast cancer studies, we see a dose of about 1mg/day being used, and in steroid using athletes, this is also the amount we would often see. That dose may be slightly excessive, however. In a study conducted on males, examining estrogen suppression in males caused by Arimidex, both .5mg and 1mg doses of were shown to decrease estrogen by around 50%. In both the 1 and .5mg groups in that same study, testosterone levels were raised significantly and both LH and FSH also went up slightly. (1)

In my mind, this is reason enough to suggest only using the stuff at a dose of .5mgs/day, as a preventative measure against water retention and gyno. If, however, you are trying to actually reduce pain from breast tissue which has already begun to hurt and show early signs of gyno, then you'll have to use the full 1mg dose, even though it only provides a slight % more estrogen suppression.

When testosterone converts to estrogen in males, it feeds into the negative feedback loop that causes testosterone to cease being produced. Therefore, most compounds that will lower aromatization, such as an AI like Arimidex, will also raise testosterone by inhibition of the negative feedback loop that signals your body to halt testosterone production. In fact, in the case of Arimidex, the elevation in Testosterone provided by the inhibition of estrogen is so large that it can actually be used as a very mild form of testosterone replacement therapy for already hypogonadal men (2). Although, this points to its use in post-cycle-therapy, I hold the personal opinion that for numerous reasons Arimidex is best kept to use on a cycle, while Aromasin (exemestane) is a better choice in a post cycle recovery routing.

Blood plasma concentrations become stable by 7 consecutive 1mg daily doses, although maximal estrogen inhibition is reached by day 4. (3) Arimidex is over 80% effective at inhibiting the aromatase enzyme (3) and if you are considering using it for the entire duration of your cycle, then you don't have to "front load" or even start it before the cycle as some have suggested. Simply start taking it on Day one of the cycle. Since the average cycle seems to fall around 12 weeks, Arimidex is actually a very nice choice for use during the entire duration of the cycle, because it's got the advantage of not affect cholesterol adversely st kept to use on a cycle, while Aromasin (exemestane) is a better choice in a post cycle recovery routing.

Blood plasma concentrations become stable by 7 consecutive 1mg daily doses, although maximal estrogen inhibition is reached by day 4. (3) Arimidex is over 80% effective at inhibiting the aromatase enzyme (3) and if you are considering using it for the entire duration of your cycle, then you don't have to "front load" or even start it before the cycle as some have suggested. Simply start taking it on Day one of the cycle. Since the average cycle seems to fall around 12 weeks, Arimidex is actually a very nice choice for use during the entire duration of the cycle, because it's got the advantage of not affect cholesterol adversely
 

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Reason i ask is ive just started a decent cycle for a change, consisting of:

weeks 1 - 4 = 1000mg sust, and 400mg deca, 300mg prop (first 2 week)

then will switch round etc. I am also running 50mg proviron upon waking, but im soon expecting a huge water gain as im only on end of week 1 so was going to add hs adex at .5mg eod.

Would it be beneficial to use both proviron and adex?? or better just to use adex as its a quite high test dosage and i do suffer with blaoting and high estrogen.

Im currently 16.2 stone at 5ft 11 and have been for 1 year or so now mainting this weight so wanting to use this cycle as my next step.

Arms 19 inch, chest 46 , waist 34
 

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PAULSHEZ said:
Just interesting that it states that adex raises test levels, as i thought only proviron did this ?
Adex will stop the conversion of testosterone into oestrogen and decrease overall oestrogen levels by about 50%, it also lowers SHBG levels. So test levels will be greater when running Adex, i'm not sure at what percentage though.

PAULSHEZ said:
weeks 1 - 4 = 1000mg sust, and 400mg deca, 300mg prop (first 2 week)

then will switch round etc. I am also running 50mg proviron upon waking, but im soon expecting a huge water gain as im only on end of week 1 so was going to add hs adex at .5mg eod.

Would it be beneficial to use both proviron and adex?? or better just to use adex as its a quite high test dosage and i do suffer with blaoting and high estrogen.
Switch round to what?

That's a pretty heavy cycle mate, what you running for PCT?

PS. I would definitely run Adex.
 
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