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@ElChapo If you had to create a stack for an extreme boost in overall energy+wellbeing, what would it be and why? not tailoring this specifically to and for training purposes rather in case of productivity. T.I.A
The # 1 thing is consistent cardio and not too much. Too much raises cortisol, the right amount increases your bodies' tolerance to stress hormones and stress, improves circulation, energy, well-being, performance, etc. Doing cardio, having optimal testosterone levels, having the right "mind set/outlook on life", and avoid excess stress is your best bet.

None of the supplements will really do what you are looking for except something pharmaceutical like wellbutrin or modafanil.
 

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@ElChapo would you stack 700 TestP 50mg Winstrol ed and 20mg inj Superdrol ed with Nac Tudca and Taurine? Let's say for 8w or orals like those are too harsh together for that time?
If you have experience with high dose orals (like 100 mg winstrol daily) and you won't touch alcohol/liver stressing meds, then you can probably pull it off.

NAC/TUDCA/Taurine is a very potent liver stack. You can do 1000/500/3000 mg of each
 

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Sluggish thyroid, elevated TSH and suboptimal Free thyroxine. 18-22 is where "normal" people have that number.
The Medichecks doc called it 'subclinical hypothyroidism'. I don't think the NHS treat that unless the tsh goes over 10.
Do you think I would benefit from treatment @ElChapo? My tsh used to be around 2, it seemed to go up after a short period of me using low dose Lugol's iodine liquid (transdermal on the scrotum, long story). I don't do that any more, but i do use iodised salt on my meals. Just wondered if there would be any benefit to maybe trying some thyroxine? My wife's prescribed that, i'm sure she could spare a few pills.
 

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If you have experience with high dose orals (like 100 mg winstrol daily) and you won't touch alcohol/liver stressing meds, then you can probably pull it off.

NAC/TUDCA/Taurine is a very potent liver stack. You can do 1000/500/3000 mg of each
Was in between 100mg Winny ed or 50 Winny + 20 SD ed.

NAC/TUDCA/Taurine 1000/500/3000 is my go-to Everytime i use orals.

Winstrol is really a great drug, cheap, strong gives great gains, stacks well with Test and Nandrolone. Not a single side effect for me.
Also the texture that gives to skin if fantastic.
 

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The Medichecks doc called it 'subclinical hypothyroidism'. I don't think the NHS treat that unless the tsh goes over 10.
Do you think I would benefit from treatment @ElChapo? My tsh used to be around 2, it seemed to go up after a short period of me using low dose Lugol's iodine liquid (transdermal on the scrotum, long story). I don't do that any more, but i do use iodised salt on my meals. Just wondered if there would be any benefit to maybe trying some thyroxine? My wife's prescribed that, i'm sure she could spare a few pills.
If you have symptoms, yes. TSH does not always show you the thyroid status. Imagine ignoring Testosterone levels and estradiol and trying to guess by only using LH/FSH, that is what NHS is doing by only looking at TSH.


Studies prove that patients with "subclinical" can benefit from thyroxine, especially with symptoms. There are things that you don't feel like increased risk of heart disease, kidney disease, etc.


Starting dose would be 50-100 mcg, in the morning 30-60 min before anything but water by mouth. re-test in 4 weeks, increase dose until Free Thyroxine is 18-22
 

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If you have symptoms, yes. TSH does not always show you the thyroid status. Imagine ignoring Testosterone levels and estradiol and trying to guess by only using LH/FSH, that is what NHS is doing by only looking at TSH.


Studies prove that patients with "subclinical" can benefit from thyroxine, especially with symptoms. There are things that you don't feel like increased risk of heart disease, kidney disease, etc.


Starting dose would be 50-100 mcg, in the morning 30-60 min before anything but water by mouth. re-test in 4 weeks, increase dose until Free Thyroxine is 18-22
Great stuff, thanks @ElChapo. Quick question - is taking thyroxine supressive in a way that the body doesn't produce again after stopping it? I'd be interested to know if boosting my free t4 levels would ease some joint pain i have, but i don't want to cause a new problem by experimenting.
 

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Great stuff, thanks @ElChapo. Quick question - is taking thyroxine supressive in a way that the body doesn't produce again after stopping it? I'd be interested to know if boosting my free t4 levels would ease some joint pain i have, but i don't want to cause a new problem by experimenting.

Good question. No, thyroid hormone production recovers back to baseline after you stop. Same with HGH. Testosterone axis is the most sensitive of them all when it comes to that.


Joint and muscle aches are one symptoms of sluggish thyroid. In my opinion, it's worth a shot, you might feel better than you think, many get used to feeling shitty and forget what it feels like to feel normal.
 

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Good question. No, thyroid hormone production recovers back to baseline after you stop. Same with HGH. Testosterone axis is the most sensitive of them all when it comes to that.


Joint and muscle aches are one symptoms of sluggish thyroid. In my opinion, it's worth a shot, you might feel better than you think, many get used to feeling shitty and forget what it feels like to feel normal.
Thanks @ElChapo, i'll probably try that first then, as the only other telling thing in my blood work is low testosterone. I've consistantly over 3.5 years now measured between 6 nmol/l (worst one) up to a one off reading of 12 nmol/l but averaging around 10 nmol/l. Most of the time i'm on a self prescribed low dose clomid therapy (12.5mg, m, w, f), and it's when i stop that i get the lower results. I've read before that correcting a thyroid problem can improve testosterone levels, so i think it's worth a shot.
 

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Hi mate!

Few questions regarding mk677 liquid.

Should mk677 liquid be stored in room temp or fridge? Will putting it in the fridge keep sheld life longer?
Do I need to shake the bottle everytime before I use?
The drawer doesnt have any ml signs on it, will one full dros be 1 ml you think if it says 1ml/25mg or should I measure it somehow?

If im on hgh, would it be benificial to stack mk677 with hgh or will the hgh cause the mk677 to be not as effective? If so, should I rotate like 5 dayg hgh 2 days mk677, or just do hgh and then switch to mk677 later?
 

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Hi pal

long time user under a different name but lately having issues with tendons. Currently running bpc157 250mcg x 2 per day.

I’m trt but contemplating adding a low dose of deca (200mg) and dbol in (30mg) per week. To help with joints/tendons. What’s your thoughts.

Anything else I need to take into account ??
 

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Hi @ElChapo.

I just got my bloods back and wanted to get your thoughts. I’m running 200mg test E and 200 mg of mast E weekly.

I inject every 7 days and had a venous sample taken on day 6, right before my jab. I’m happy with my trough T level but my sexual performance isn’t 100%, so I think my E and prolactin levels need some help.

Just to note - I refrained from any sexual activity for 72 hours prior to the blood test so as not to skew the prolactin result.

Ive been running 300mg of b6 for a number of months so this doesn’t seem to be enough. What are your thoughts on super low dose caber and Adex until I start to feel 100%?

Cheers
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Hya mate, can heavy training cause an increase of troponin? I had some bloods done and they came back high, the test was soon after gym. They kept me in to test again and the levels had dropped so they said in fine but they said they don't know what caused the spike in first test. They said caffeine probably, which I can't see as it was only 200mg I use.
Also I'm guessing alt risen to 142 would be also related to training before the test aswell. Cheers
 

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Thanks @ElChapo, i'll probably try that first then, as the only other telling thing in my blood work is low testosterone. I've consistantly over 3.5 years now measured between 6 nmol/l (worst one) up to a one off reading of 12 nmol/l but averaging around 10 nmol/l. Most of the time i'm on a self prescribed low dose clomid therapy (12.5mg, m, w, f), and it's when i stop that i get the lower results. I've read before that correcting a thyroid problem can improve testosterone levels, so i think it's worth a shot.

Clomid monotherapy usually gives poor results because clomid doesnt just increase testosterone, its an estrogen agonist and antagonist, this will affect mood and health negatively and the long term safety is unknown.
 

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Hi mate!

Few questions regarding mk677 liquid.

Should mk677 liquid be stored in room temp or fridge? Will putting it in the fridge keep sheld life longer?
Do I need to shake the bottle everytime before I use?
The drawer doesnt have any ml signs on it, will one full dros be 1 ml you think if it says 1ml/25mg or should I measure it somehow?

If im on hgh, would it be benificial to stack mk677 with hgh or will the hgh cause the mk677 to be not as effective? If so, should I rotate like 5 dayg hgh 2 days mk677, or just do hgh and then switch to mk677 later?
I don't see the point. Pretty sure it doesn't have to be refrigerated. It's usually a capsule. You should shake it vigorously. I'm not a fan of liquid research chems, they are more prone to going bad and are more prone to be lesser quality in my experience. I don't know if your body would produce it's own HGH while taking both together. Only way to find out is to try and draw bloods on both methods.


MK677 may increase appetite and help with bulking. Might also help kick start your natural HGH production after taking HGH but permanent shut down doesnt usually happen when taking HGH like it does with testosterone.
 

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Hi pal

long time user under a different name but lately having issues with tendons. Currently running bpc157 250mcg x 2 per day.

I’m trt but contemplating adding a low dose of deca (200mg) and dbol in (30mg) per week. To help with joints/tendons. What’s your thoughts.

Anything else I need to take into account ??
What joints are bothering you? Usually the first step is to address the cause of the issue and any aggravating factors (muscle imbalance, movements causing stress, etc) before using supplements/meds. Do you know what caused the injury/chronic issue in the first place?


Some men have success with DECA for joint pain in the 100-200 mg range, but keep an eye out for elevated BP and gyno, libido and erection issues. I don't see the use in adding dbol for joint pain. Many have gotten relief from Meriva curcumin which works as a natural NSAID like ibuprofen and proven in studies to relieve joint pain by reducing inflammation. Some swear by collagen powder as well including Mike O'Hearn who lifts insane weight at the age of +50.
 

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Hi @ElChapo.

I just got my bloods back and wanted to get your thoughts. I’m running 200mg test E and 200 mg of mast E weekly.

I inject every 7 days and had a venous sample taken on day 6, right before my jab. I’m happy with my trough T level but my sexual performance isn’t 100%, so I think my E and prolactin levels need some help.

Just to note - I refrained from any sexual activity for 72 hours prior to the blood test so as not to skew the prolactin result.

Ive been running 300mg of b6 for a number of months so this doesn’t seem to be enough. What are your thoughts on super low dose caber and Adex until I start to feel 100%?

Cheers
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What was the last time you remember having good sexual performance? Are you on a carb restricted diet or calorie deficit? Are you training a lot? Stress levels?


Prolactin and estradiol are not overtly elevated. Do you use porn? Is your issue libido or erection quality?
 

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Hya mate, can heavy training cause an increase of troponin? I had some bloods done and they came back high, the test was soon after gym. They kept me in to test again and the levels had dropped so they said in fine but they said they don't know what caused the spike in first test. They said caffeine probably, which I can't see as it was only 200mg I use.
Also I'm guessing alt risen to 142 would be also related to training before the test aswell. Cheers
Yes it can, even liver enzymes can be elevated from intensive exercise.
 
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