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  1. ...than the deaths of the coronavirus itself. This is based on things going on in the US but it's also the same as what is going on in the UK, making exceptions for certain things we have at our disposal they do not. With this sweeping lockdown in place it's possibly going to kill more innocent people than the virus will kill those infected. I didn't really think about it this way until I figured out how much of our resources are being purposefully spent on this outbreak while we drain the economy and social landscape of equality for everyone from all rungs of the ladder, primarily those on the poverty line, and those just above. And the consequences not immediately but into the future are going to be drastic for far more than the small number of deaths due to this virus. This is a given. Whenever the UK has collapsed due to any sort of disaster, people have suffered. Is this not breeding even more inequality and taking even more away from much of our population that will struggle due to this crisis? Check it out for yourself. So millions could die as a result of the measures in place while FAR less die as a result of the virus itself. https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/01/could-the-covid19-response-be-more-deadly-than-the-virus/
  2. How long you recon?

    It's possible, although it sounds extreme because it's not mainstream news. What's absolutely shocking is how many innocent people will die as a result of the way things are being dealt with, and it won't be related to having the disease. This article talks about the US and how hundreds of thousands will die from the measures being taken alone, which is more than the ACTUAL predicted amount of deaths, and this prediction is ample in it's flexibility. https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/01/could-the-covid19-response-be-more-deadly-than-the-virus/
  3. Plausible Covid 19 source

    Yeah, cases going all the way back to mid-late last year. Several cases of people turning up to hospital with pnuemonia-like symptoms but without an identifiable cause. And all these cases happened outside of China. A few in the US I believe, a few in Italy as well.
  4. How long you recon?

    Until the public start getting the right information, and are provided with alternative narratives that are coming to light, many of them based on facts and on evidence, their perceptions are going to frame this pandemic more than what the government is doing about it. So far, just going off trending social media content, there's more talk about this pandemic among the public than there is in government and among those responsible for relaying information. Everybody knows much of what you see and hear about on social media is bullsh*t. Just echo chambers and filter bubbles repeating themselves while sucking people into twisted perceptions about the world and others in it. Well now that's being exchanged for facts and unbiased impartial advice. It's really become a toxic smog that is affecting society. But that's having a massive impact. The hysteria is being run by the 'self governing' public. We are the PR team for this pandemic. And until people begin to mobilize and become objective and use their own individual abilities to reason and question things, people are just going to blindly define the social landscape for others based off primitive fear and paranoia, irrational panic and catastrophe, until we get to a point where 99% of reality is being defined by the blind leading the blind. It would help if we lived back in an era before we had a hyper connected world because I can guarantee you most of the punishing and destructive parts of this lockdown would not exist. The landscape wouldn't exist for it to be compatible in the first place. We've all slowly been disconnected from reality by being sucked into social media, digital realities, a disconnected society reliant on technologies that distance us and create more divides etc. I can remember back in 2006-07 you couldn't have possibly known half of what was going on because you didn't have the means to know! Now today we are fed everything in seconds, which creates much of the conditions we see around us. If you don't hear on the news, Julie from down the road in her slippers will come out spouting some completely twisted version of it. So, who knows... The public are continuing to drive the hysteria though. If they just woke up a little and started scratching their heads surrounding these conditions it would create a ripple effect where government would have to drastically re-assess their actions. 4-8 weeks? 8-16? Who knows. But being subservient and not questioning the whole implications of this won't be helping. Everyone is trapped in their cages forgetting the door is not even locked, they are free to open it and see things from a different perspective whenever they want. That perspective change will change the culture we are living in now of fear, hysteria, panic, paranoia, psychosis even.
  5. Eddie Large(Little and Large falls to Corona

    So we don't blame this pandemic for underlying health conditions. We blame the underlying health conditions. Hence the psychosis I'm referring to. It's madness, really is. But we can't do that because then we're are insulting the dead, attacking old people and not showing any compassion for their suspectibility to this virus. We are attacking the narrative while being bombarded with emotional blackmail to keep us believing we are helping these people who are dying, and will be dead very soon due to their health conditions. Well I'm sorry but we can't stop death. We can't pretend diseases aren't real. We can't wipe out decades of conclusive empirical research into the causes of deaths globally, just for a narrative that has as much weight and authenticity at it's core than the Salem Witch Trials did in the medieval ages. People were dying due to witchcraft back then, allegedly, and 'witches' were being put through elaborate tests to see whether they were a witch or not. The whole world went after the witches. When really it was a mental disorder slowly cultivated by mass hysteria and psychosis.
  6. The Imperial College studies are fairly flawed. The same guy who is headed them also headed previous 'pandemic' studies and made serious errors resulting in MASSIVE overcalculations and therefore consequences. He ordered many millions of cattle be slaughtered to protect the public when we hit the swine flu 'crisis' but his figures were grossly inaccurate and we subsequently lost tens of billions of pounds out of the economy thanks to his 'advice'. He reckoned somewhere between 50 and 50,000 would be infected. I think we had about 150 people total. But we destroyed much of our lifestock in the process for something that wasn't required. That's a catastrophic blow to the farmers whose lives revolved around making a living from their lifestock. And the economy. But who cares about that, we're always finding ways to bring that down every decade or so. Many academic institutions have come out on record questioning why we are going off these data. The thing is, they don't have data to go off when they predict the forecast for these pandemics. They use modelling that reflects the lowest and most extreme outcome, but this is an estimate at best. From there they have to choose what part of the scale of the proposed harm/death this pandemic will cause, and so far we've always estimated incorrectly, our models were flawed and we chose to incite extreme measures on society that caused extreme consequences while the pandemic itself had minimal effect. Today we have social media. So the pandemic is the outbreak of social contagion from this virus, not the virus itself. Everyone with their lab jackets from their nearest costume shop and their BTECs and diplomas in Facebook group chat are breeding the hysteria and basically, the psychosis, from this outbreak, which the mainstream media is modelling, and then the government is able to incite more heavier measures while... we go back to the beginning... they have flawed studies and inaccurate data to go off. So it's just a breeding ground for absolute destruction and breakdown of society. Why do they want to use flawed research and historical cock-ups from Imperial College London as a means to pertain to be the authority of this virus when they have FAILED every time to predict and deal with past pandemics? EDIT: News article https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/28/neil-ferguson-scientist-convinced-boris-johnson-uk-coronavirus-lockdown-criticised/
  7. Eddie Large(Little and Large falls to Corona

    He may have been infected with coronavirus, but was it the cause of his death? This is exactly what is twisting the facts and the reality with this pandemic. People are being signed off as dying of coronavirus while they have underlying health conditions, and extremely sick and/or dying. To quote the news article; "He had been suffering with heart failure and unfortunately, whilst in hospital, contracted the coronavirus, which his heart was sadly not strong enough to fight." His heart couldn't fight the heart failure. Which is common for someone the same age and with the same health condition. How sad people are using this virus as a means to deny the reality of death and other diseases that kill millions each year just to maintain the narrative. And then using celebrities as cannon fodder to make it seem more real. If he died due to the disease caused by coronavirus - fair enough. But if we're using a celebrity as a puppet to compromise the publics confidence in the facts of this disease and it's very small affinity to severely/fatally affect people we are dealing with a very psychotic society. We may as well go back to believing in the supernatural and put the church back in control over governing the population. Because that's how psychotic society is becoming. Welcome to 2020, minus 500 years of technological advancements, rationalism, social and cultural transformation and this thing we call the truth.
  8. How long until thousands are dying everyday?

    You're missing the critical fact that people become INFECTED with LOTS of things in society, but it doesn't kill them. What you are implying is if this virus goes unchecked it will infect everybody. Well yeah, that's how viruses work. That's how they've always worked but now because of the hysteria and because of how uneducated and informed people are on everyday realities like this they presume the worst. You are infected by lots of things in your life. You likely won't die from it. And those that do make up EXTREMELY low numbers of the population who are, unfortunately, weaker than the majority of the population in terms of their natural ability to heal themselves after being exposed to something that attacks their body, due to all sorts of things - that's just life. We accept that. And so yes, it's just like the flu in that this is no different to anything else in recorded human history. So far it is very much a seasonal flu, perhaps the extreme end. And it's no different because we can differeniate between the figures we have for past disasters, and this current situation. So far it's nowhere near as deadly as the things people die from every year that we have become accustomed to in our society. And in terms of figures it's trending to be just another virus outbreak like many others in the past. The swine flu was predicted to be a disaster, it was not. The anthrax story was a whole lot of nothing. People are getting carried away because the current projections are on this virus not going away, on the figures drastically increasing, on it destroying the world. It's never going to do that because unless it mutates among the general population and starts killing the 95% of the population that it does not affect, or have mild symptoms, it's going to remain similiar to the flu. It comes, it's annoying, at the most you take a few days off work, it goes, you carry on. Sure, the 5% will suffer. The 5% always suffer when we talk about health because they are always the ones who experience the extreme symptoms that the rest of the population do not. The 5% does not make the whole population, or the whole world. But current thinking is conditioning people to believe this very small percentage is actually something among us all, among the 95%. It's killing people - sure. But the bigger picture shows it's not wiping out the world as you know it. It's taking out vulnerable and extremely fragile people whose bodies are breaking down in many eventualities in life, especially the elderly. Hence why the elderly are dying more than any other demographic. These people are dying anyway. That's life. It may happen to us when we are elderly but it won't be down to covid-19. It will be down to the eventual decline and potential onset of diseases and illnesses through said old age. If we get wiped out because a novel strain of a virus comes out you aren't going to pretend the elderly are somehow in their thirties and able to ride things off. That's why they are the elderly; weaker, more suspectible to illness, more vulnerable, their bodies breaking down. Most of them are dying due to terminal illnesses and diseases that pertain to the attack vector of this virus. So this virus is only capable of doing more damage to people where the damage has already been done. For everyone else - fine, we're all good.
  9. That's fine, just please don't start quoting what I say while you fill your replies with hyperbole, conjecture and hysteria and won't have an educated informed discussion. I'll gladly talk to you mate, I just won't lower myself to a pathetic point scoring match over something that becomes not even what the topic was meant to be about. See, now you're getting personal and turning it from a reasonable debate onto something that involves me as a person, as if thats got anything to do with things when we're not talking about me, we don't know each other, and the conversation was never personal to begin with. It's bizarre and it's not my responsibility to hold, but also just full of hate and anonymosity. If you want to be like that Kazza, all the best. I'm presuming you're born in 61 hence the last digits, right? Well I'm 29, 30 this year and it find it shameful and embarrassing someone 30 years my senior doesn't have the character or the basic human decency to have a conversation without taking it to lower levels to somewhere I'd expect an immature beligerent child would take things. Stay safe and do whats right for you. I'm just trying to share my perspective and relay information as and when I find it myself. If I wanted to troll strangers I'd be spending my life becoming an angry challenged man with no confidence and no values and no moral compass mad at the world for his own problems. And yeah, that's not me, and won't be. But if that's you, well, you've had long enough to change if you were born in '61. Just goes to show though, age doesn't mean anything. Plenty of people your age really have the mental and emotional age of a 15 year old, and all the complex baggage to boot. And that's not a pretty or welcoming sight for anyone who has a sense of self respect and preservation, which I like to think is most of society. Well, that's your journey mate, you enjoy that! All the best though
  10. UK-M Coronavirus Experts

    I 100% would question those organizations and entities you put in the poll just as much as I would question anybody on here. I think there's a lot of disconnection in society these days. I think what people are inferring is the tribalism that goes on in the modern world. You've got one side that is real while the others are pretending to be real in the eyes of the former. It was women at one point who were considered wrong and out of touch because they were women and inferior. Then we had gay people who were bullied, vindicated and murdered for having different sexual preferences, until now when it's illegal and you will go to prison if you attack someone based purely on their sexual orientation. It was those with disabilities, mental or otherwise. It is the poor against the rich. Then we had the black slaves of generations past and how the white man believed he was superior to every other human on the planet because of the colour of his skin. We had religious wars over people arguing whose God was the most superior. The young and the old. It's the attacks on drug users and addicts as if to say they aren't human because they put something into their bodies. It's discrimination against tattoos, lifestyle choices, relationships, political preferences. You see behind the lines and see how violent the world really is. How disconnected people are from their fellow neighbours. People are willing to go back to primitive times where they eradicate those that don't agree with their sense of reality. Look throughout history and you see it for yourself. But many of these people who were marginalized were right. They did no wrong. They simply stood up for themselves out of injustice and demanded to have their voices heard. And now they are among the majority. They are in our government, schools, workplaces, they are our role models, our friends, even our family members. So I'd just have a little think about what this poll really means when you think about it for a while. It's not about whose right and wrong about this subject, it's about social conformity and who is following a narrative that is generally accepted among a few while all those who rightfully have their own perspectives do not belong. It's not even about the coronavirus. It will be something next month, next year. Something to fuel hate and division and inevitably someone will be the loser and someone will win. Question, who actually wins? Nobody. You destroy things for everyone else, you destroy things for yourself to. As Mike Tyson says; if you hate, it's a reflection of how much you hate yourself. If you destroy things you are also destroying yourself. Wise words from a legend.
  11. It may surprise you but it seems like the numbers are being made up. It's the plausible deniability scheme. If something sounds true and there are countless 'evidences' to suggest it's authenticity then it must be true. But these are often smaller narratives with their own backstories woven into the main narrative itself. Italy has been giving everyone who died with the coronavirus the cause of death being the coronavirus, despite their population being among the oldest and therefore the elderly come to them everyday for support in dying and many many die each day in their care when such pandemics are not around. I read an article that without the convolution in numbers, we could be looking at around 800-900 deaths in Italy from ACTUAL covid-19 related cases. And that makes sense because it brings the numbers in line with many other countries. The rest of these deaths could actually be the elderly dying of natural causes or through the decline in age due to underlying and often several comorbid health conditions. The research into Italy's populations backs up the point that like I just mentioned they have a very old population but also many people over there have respiratory diseases, many terminal. It is after all the NUMBER ONE cause of death in the world WITHOUT a pandemic. People die year in their MILLIONS from the same symptoms people are dying with from covid-19. The UK is the same. They've now allowed funeral directors to take control of the signing of birth certificates WITHOUT the requirement of a court of law presiding over the death certificate. There don't have to be ANY inquests into the deaths of people, and the NHS are EXEMPT from their responsibility in diagnosing and then certifying a death through covid-19. This all leads to a whole scenario of possibilities where people without oversight and strict protocol can sign off deaths that otherwise would have needed a strict process to confirm cause of death, as well as witnesses for, the signing of death certificates. It's now become as trivial as a footballer signing a signature for a fan. There is no verification process. It's not a formal event. The footballer could write his own signature or create a new one. He doesn't even have to let you know what he's doing and why. It gives the control to people who in this hysteria and with government co-ordination and influence are going to skew the numbers naturally. No-one is going to be dug up in order to verify the cause of death. It's becoming a BLANKET cause of death in pretty all much cases. So yes, the numbers are going to be made up. It's out there that governments and their respective healthcare systems and professionals as well as entities responsible for managing of dead bodies, signing of death certificates and originally ordering an inquest into the cause of death - now have very little regulation and oversight, and now don't have the strict protocols in place preventing errors like this from happening. Seems like a perfect 'get out of jail free' card if I've ever seen one. No-one is responsible. No-one pays the price.
  12. How long until thousands are dying everyday?

    Maybe. It's still a virus thats hitting around the same time as the seasonal flu where hundreds of thousands of people die anyway from the seasonal flu. It's going look like the numbers are huge but they are relative, if not exaggerated by covid-19. I'm happy it's not as bad as originally thought but I'm still relaying the facts I've seen and the evidence in front of all of us in order to help others out. There's a lot of panic and hysteria around this and some people are extremely vulnerable to external influences to the point where it consumes their reality. Hopefully get the message across to them factually will help curb a lot of the illnesses that will result from this pandemic, and they likely won't be illnesses caused by the virus but by the mental, emotional and physical depravity that results. Check this out as well if any of you are interested, there's some extremely knowledgeable researchers and journalists out there doing the work the mainstream media aren't willing to do and share. Much of it is set to become the narrative when this blows over, just like is the case in wars of the past. And this is a war, it's just not a military war with guns and bloodshed and violence. It's a law incited by medical martial law and those that need to be subdued, controlled and 'liberated' are their own citizens in their own countries. https://www.corbettreport.com/whats-up-with-the-italian-mortality-rate-questions-for-corbett-058/ And this, this is a report created by the Rockefeller Foundation which 10 years prior to any pandemic, simulated or otherwise, depicted society after a pandemic ensued. It's the same write-up but in a different form as the Event 201 simulation event funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. And much of the narrative from these foundations are coincidently becoming true for the reality of society. Just think if the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation headed Event 201 while the real virus was just unfolding, something is going on. How would they know? How did the Chinese know? They also headed up coronavirus pandemic exercises weeks before the Wuhan Games. There's a lot of coincidences going on that seem to point the events happening deliberately and with premeditation on the part of one or more parties, or even governments. http://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Rockefeller Foundation.pdf
  13. How long until thousands are dying everyday?

    https://www.sott.net/article/431724-Dr-Anthony-Fauci-COVID-19-may-turn-out-to-be-like-a-bad-flu-season-His-peer-reviewed-article-in-stark-contrast-to-his-press-briefings This came out over the last few days by the head of the managing of this pandemic in the US. Seems like many of these top figures in power are doing a slow U-turn to counter the realities they have created while the facts show a different story. " The most commonly reported symptoms [of COVID-19] included fever, dry cough, and shortness of breath, and most patients (80%) experienced mild illness. Approximately 14% experienced severe disease and 5% were critically ill. Early reports suggest that illness severity is associated with age (>60 years old) and co-morbid disease. (largely basing on WHO's assessment of COVID-19 in China) " It's not a big deal lewdy, you're probably a decent guy and I'd like to think we could have a beer over this and get along. I like facts, I like learning, you know, actual desires to learn the truth and to really make sense of this lifetime and of the world in a way that is conducive to as concrete as possible. Sure, people get things wrong. Everyone makes mistakes. Reality changes. But writing long posts about something that concerns us all to the point of many of us losing jobs, our businesses going down the pan, life being put on hold because an exaggerated at the least and completely fabricated story at worse, warrants such an effort imo. It beats being a weak, powerless and completely uneducated individual who just repeats what the latest social trends are, is a puppet to every word that is said from everybodys mouth, who is an apologist, a pushover, a shadow of a man whose responsibility in life is to question how others affect his reality and his children, his family his friends, and even people like you. Forgive me for being a member of what is essentially a community by providing what I know best - myself. If thats not good enough then it's no doubt a reflection of what you cannot bring to the table in return. And as a community member, well, I'm contributing, I'm awake and sharing my perspectives. I'm showing basic respect and awareness of my fellow men and women and children. I'm not simply a drone without a conscience and without a care in the world as long as I get my needs met.
  14. Sars 1 vs Sars 2 footprint/spread

    Thanks mate. This explains a lot of what I'm trying to say. It's in black and white right in front of people. Just pop the bubble and you'll see for yourself.
  15. 6,500 globally die each hour. So about 78,000 a day. Depending on your sources it's probably more than that. So it's easy to become skewed by your own small perspective on the world where you're not used to seeing death thrown in your face on a daily basis like it's a disease. Death isn't a disease. But we're taught to see deaths reported on the news as being bad because nothing beats being alive, and we should all avoid the topic of death. Now it's just being manipulated a little bit so you're getting your daily dose of death statistics as if it never occurs in the first place. When 78,000 people die every day, that means you'll get numbers very similiar to those dying of the coronavirus because many of these people dying/dead are at elderly and with comorbid health conditions, and then we have the seasonal flu season which is right about now, perhaps just at the tail end coming into the Spring months. So, the amount of deaths this time of year just down to seasonal influenza is pretty normal. If you look at the stats, this time of year we have the most deaths out of the entire year because of the seasonal flu. And now we have the coronavirus which happens to amplify the number one cause of death in the world (respiratory diseases). And so we're seeing something pretty normal. But it's death after all. You didn't know how much death we had until the news brought it up. People don't care until the news bring it up. Death is bad. No. Death isn't bad. Death happens all the time. That's what I was trying to get at and anyone I consider able to have a friendly conversation would have recognised that without chomping at the bit to try and shame and exploit a simple mistake in what I said. I'm wondering just how many dysfunctional/unstable people are on this forum? Everybody seems socially challenged. One tip for you; don't take powerful hormones if you have underlying psychological/social issues. You should really be dealing with their issues before pumping yourself full of testosterone. It won't mask the issues you have or make them go away I see minimal deaths on a global scale being massively exaggerated while the numbers only make things worse. The numbers are grossly misleading and places like Italy have come out on record and said they are extremely lenient with their records of death as they record everyone who has the coronavirus who dies in their care, as the coronavirus being the cause of death. Well, people die in hospital everyday from things completely unrelated to a pandemic. If you've got elderly people at the end of life, or with underlying health conditions (maybe them do as is natural when you get old) then these people are likely to die in hospital. Is it a death caused by coronavirus? Judging by the facts we have available you'd be hard pressed to assume that because the total number of SEVERE cases are so low. And the deaths are even lower still when put into context.