Public service announcement since I'm currently quarantined with tight breathing (probably not CV but just to be safe)
Guys you need to stop panicking so much about your gains.
I get the gyms shutting is a major disappointment for many of you but there is people out there that are literally going to lose their livelihoods and loved ones. It's time to get things into perspective
the skeletal muscle tissue you've grown is nothing more than trivial bullshit and going to the gym is a hobby.
I get your passion but seriously losing 1-2-6 months training is f**k all in the grand scheme of things particularly when you consider the potential loses on the cards for some.
I have had several major injuries in my time in the gym from ruptured pecs, hamstring, torn vmos and triceps and a completely wankered spine, some of which requiring surgical intervention and many months out of the gym followed by even longer of inferior training sessions.
What I can tell you with certainty is 90% of your progress will come back within no time of returning to training
So you really shouldn't stress yourself out further unnecessarily as the increase in cortisol will only hasten the atrophy and do nothing for your desire to train.
Kevin Levrone used to take prolonged periods of time off from the gym out of choice and it never did him any harm.
Just shift your focus for a bit, spend more time with loved ones, give those quarantined due to vulnerability a call to break up their isolation
get some books, movies, tv series or a games console.
and if it's really doing your head in that much grab some home gym equipment. There's plenty blokes locked up managing to maintain a decent amount of size with just body weight movements, throw in a pair of dumbbells and some resistance bands and you can maintain even more.
Oh and ffs stop taking drugs.. you're not making decent progress with no gym, you're hampering immune function and carrying added water weight that further hampers respiratory function
come off or drop to TRT levels, use this time to get your injuries and health markers tidied up.
you can either focus on the potential positives of time out of the gym or dwell on how s**t it is and just make your life even more negative, it doesn't change how long this is going to take.
I never have any pip but it always stings like a motherf*cker when the nurses inject me. And I hate how they always say, "Sharp scratch", and then proceed to harpoon you. I'll sharp scratch you in a bit bitch!
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once stablised blood tests are only needed once or twice a year -you dont need more (all you need is PSA +FBC , test level at trough) , the NHS system works fine according to the info available on here and elsewhere (its not perfect but we dont have thousands of men complaining about their nebido injections , just the odd few )
4 days in , - nebido levels can take up to a year to fully stabilise , you are not going to die - in the meantime get a grip and get on with your life.
he just doing exactly what you paid him for - giving advise (whether you take it or not is up to you )
you cant work out nebido using math only it doesnt work that way as each individual breaks down/ uses test at differing rates - a year of nebido @8 week intervals gave me a trough reading of 30nmol (i dropped it back to 10 weeks and now sit at around 23nmol )
more is not better with TRT
Absolutely great, moved from 12 weeks to 10 weeks as my levels were low after the 10 week mark so pushed dosages close together and it’s helped. Self inject now as it was a pain trying to get a nurse appointment around my work schedule. They were happy showing me how to do it and now all I need to do is pick up my nebido from the pharmacy.
I wonder if this is just a simple case of over-training ?
I used to do that level of exercise and then in my early fourties realised I just couldn’t do it any more and had to focus on being a lifter with muscle who did 3 or 4 hour long weight workouts and 2 or 3 light cardio sessions a week (no more than 30 mins LISS). And get diet and sleep in check obviously
any more exercise than that killed my CNS esp if my weights sessions were hard , you need to give yourself time to properly recover otherwise you are always just tired
I guess it’s your decision whether you want to start high and work back or low and work up. I’m really struggling with it in my head if I’m honest.
I started on 0.5 eod and all seemed ok as far as I could see, slightly greasy skin. Dropped to 0.5 m/w/f and spot breakout on shoulders. I’ve now just gone the other way and trying 0.5 m-f daily to see how I feel at a higher weekly dose.
I think without bloods it’s about experimentation. I have a feel for how I was at mid range , I’ll try higher then if I need to I’ll try lower.
Sarms work , I mean how would they not? they bind to the androgen receptor in the end, some of them even better than any traditional steroid
Sarms are not weak at all. I mean you take maybe 5-10mg compared to 50mg dbol or anadrol. I wouldnt even think about 50mg LGD
RAD140 - made me strong but very angry, bit lethargy. dry gains. full look, very little water
S23 - this stuff solo has put more beef on me than moderate test and tren combined but sperm count went to 0. I think gains were all out quality until week 3 when i suddenly gained weight
ACP105 - Good for cutting and hardness, binds better to the AR than DHT. cramps were obvious, especially in calves
YK11 - this is rather a multi methylated DHT derived steroid, shot my BP high and hunger got out of control but still kept me lean at caloric surplus, binned it due to head pressure
GSK2881078 - This was interesting , Recomped on this stuff at 2mg a day. extremely expensive. made me bit nauseous after each dose and messed with my appetite. half life is around 5 days. Well tolerated in clinical human studies by Glaxo. quite anabolic. seems not to affect free test levels, just a reduction in bound test was observed
LGD4033 - made me bulky
LGD3033 - more of a tbol but libido went to the shitter, dropped it
Like Bensif said, traditional orals are more predictable but sarms work through the exact same pathway. they are all toxic to some degree
Having been away from gear for 6 years and wanting to ease my way back in I done a 12 week RAD140 cycle and found it to be very effective indeed in fact as someone that has done a lot of gear over the years I was very pleasantly surprised by the compound.
I would say as above not it’s not as strong as dbol , anadrol or var but mg for mg it is actually much more potent.
but I had zero water bloat no raise in bp and needed no pct because personally I felt zero shutdown
You should not only squeeze the muscle at the end of a rep, but through the entire range of motion.
Most people who workout only contract and squeeze the muscle at the top of the movement, but to build muscle faster you should be contracting the muscle through the entire range of motion.
Then there are people who just swing the weight back and forth WITHOUT contracting the muscle at all.
The fact is, muscle needs stimulation and tension to grow.
Your muscle does not know the difference between a 20 pound weight or a 40 pound weight, it only knows tension.
A great read on effective methods of progression for hypertrophy training. In the not too distant past there were a lot of threads asking about progression and deloading, and this article excellently answers those questions and best explains how to structure progressions to avoid stagnating. The author, Brad Morgan, is a very decent writer and a lot of what he talks about here comes from the guidelines Eric Helms has put out over the years, and he's another guy definitely worth looking to follow IMO.
A Detailed Guide to Training Progression
What follows are the exact initial guidelines on training progression that I give to clients. They are an abbreviated version of the guidelines in The Muscle and Strength Training Pyramid book that I co-authored with Eric Helms and Andrea Valdez.
They are exceptionally logical and structured, the antithesis to the approach of just hitting the gym, smashing some weights and hoping for progress. They will stop you from wrecking your joints when starting out by increasing the weight you lift too quickly, and they will help prevent you from stalling for months on end, often without you realizing it. If you put the effort to read, understand and implement these instructions they are going to pay off for you big time. I will be waiting in Tokyo for you to buy me an overpriced craft beer as a thank you.
Novice Progression: For Use When You Are Able to Make Load Increases Session to Session
The following progression rules work well for exercises you are able to make incremental progressions in weight session to session with. This is what defines the “novice progression” category. This is not about how long you have been lifting, or how much you can lift. My friend Greg Nuckols took his deadlift and squat to over 500 lbs before he needed to use some form of non-linear progression (periodization) as you will when you get to the “intermediate progression” rules, and yet no-one would look at those lifting stats and call him a novice. Admittedly, he is a genetic freak and was born to lift, but the point is that I want you to separate your ego from the name of each of the progression rules. Do not skip this section just because it is titled novice progression.
Novice progression is faster than intermediate progression, so use these rules while you can.
You will progress more quickly with some exercises than others. You may have more experience with some exercises already than others. You may have taken some time off from performing an exercise which means you would benefit from changing your progression style from “intermediate” to the novice style temporarily. Therefore, for some exercises in your program you may use novice progression rules, but for others, you may need to use intermediate progression rules.
How to Choose the Weight You Lift Initially
If you are new to a lift or returning to a lift after some time off, on the first workout just choose a weight where you feel comfortable performing all the sets and reps listed, with that same weight. You don’t want to be pushing to a maximum here because you will be learning (or relearning) the movement.
If you see, Squat 2×8, listed in your program for example, then choose a weight you feel comfortable performing 8 reps for, for two sets.
Sometimes you may see exercise listed like this, Squat 2×8 (~70% 1RM). This means perform 2 sets of 8 reps, using a weight that is approximately equivalent to 70% of your one rep maximum (1RM) for the first workout. Now, it’s important to note that this is just a guideline to help you choose a weight. If you are new to an exercise you will just have to guess at the initial weight you use because you won’t know your 1RM, and it doesn’t make any sense to test for it at this stage because you will get better quickly with practice.
For those that have experience with a lift but don’t know their 1RM, it’s possible to use a 1RM calculator. Just plug in the number of reps and the weight you can lift it for and it will tell you your estimated 1RM. You can then take a percentage of that number to set the weight you will lift with.
For example, if you know the maximum you can squat for a single set of 5 reps is 200 (5RM), and your program lists, Squat 2×8 (~70% 1RM) on the one day, and Squat 3×4 (~85% 1RM), on the other, you have two options for choosing a starting weight:
Guess how much you can lift for 2 sets of 8 reps, and 3 sets of 4 reps. Your guess might be 150 lbs on the first day and 180 lbs on the other day.
Plug those numbers into my beautiful 1RM calculator and find that your estimated 1RM, then just calculate 70% and 85% of that respectively. Using the calculator for a 5RM of 200 lbs gives us an estimated 1RM of 225 lbs, so from that you can get your starting weight for the first day of 157.5 lbs (225*0.7) and second day ~190 lbs (225*0.85).
Either option is fine, the calculation method is just an estimation anyway and you are only doing this for the first workout.
How to Progress After the First Session
After the first session just add weight in steady increments each time. For the heavy full and lower body compound movements (e.g., squats and deadlifts) I’d suggest you increase 10 lbs each session initially, assuming you can do so with good form. For other exercises that work less overall musculature, (e.g., the bench press, overhead presses, rows and any isolation exercises) you’ll want to progress in 5 lb or 2.5 lb increments.
There will be a point where your progress slows down and it is not possible to make increases session to session. If you have micro plates (1 lb, 0.5 lb) you can use those to keep increasing the weight each session. If you don’t have access to these (as with most gyms) just increase the weight every other session, focusing on the feeling of it being easier in that second session. Meaning, use the same weight, sets, and reps, but there will be a lower rating of perceived exertion (RPE). More on RPE later.
Here is an example of how someone would progress with this system. I’ve chosen 5×5 just to keep the numbers simple.
This is just an example, and obviously, you will want to adjust according to how you progress, but pay attention to the following points:
The load is increased linearly using the same rep range. This is called “single progression” (of load). Note that by increasing the load, the volume is also increased.
When the target repetitions cannot be completed, the load is maintained for the next session, and the repetition targets are attempted again.
Reduce the load by 10% if you fail to achieve your target reps in two consecutive workouts. The next workout, return to the weight you were unable to complete the target repetitions with and you will more than likely succeed. This is a very simple method of “deloading.” This is a strategy that allows built-up fatigue from weeks of training to dissipate, which in turn lets us continue progressing. There is no need to set this at specific time intervals for novice progression, but it will become necessary for intermediate progression.
If your progress starts to stall after implementing the deload as described above without a return to progress afterwards (assuming sleep, nutrition etc. are in check), it will be time to consider changing your progression pattern to that of an intermediate trainee which I’ve covered below.
Using RPE Based on Repetitions in Reserve
You’ll see that I have numbers and “RPE” noted next to the exercises in your training plan.
RPE is a useful method of measuring intensity when lifting called Reps In Reserve (RIR) based on Rate of Perceived Exertion (RPE). This was popularized and developed by powerlifting coach Michael Tuchscherer and has been researched by Dr. Mike Zourdos and my co-author on The Muscle and Strength Training Pyramid, Eric Helms.
RPE when using this scale is based on how close to failure you get at the conclusion of each set. You simply do your sets and choose how close to failure you wish to get. A 10 RPE would be at failure (or rather, no additional load or reps could have been performed), a 9 RPE would be one rep left, an 8RPE would be two. Have a look at the table:
Sometimes we may use an RPE target to prescribe load on its own (e.g. Seated Cable Rows 3×5 @8-9 RPE), or used in combination with a %1RM (e.g. Squat 3×8 @6-7 RPE, 67.5-72.5% 1RM). This is useful because sometimes when you are in a fatigued state, you may under perform, and by doing this I am able to tell you how much stress you should be experiencing, versus what is being prescribed.
For example, let’s say your performance was slightly suppressed due to residual fatigue, but you had 5 reps at 85% of 1RM programmed. Feeling great, you might finish this set with 1 RIR (a 9 RPE). However, in a fatigued state, this might end up being to failure or you might even miss the final rep. To avoid this, I’ll prescribe not only a percentage of 1RM target but also an RPE rating so that you can adjust the load as needed to match the intended stress.
So, if one day you have Squat 3×8 @6-7 RPE (67.5-72.5% 1RM) programmed for example, but the weight feels heavier than usual today, and though you can get your target of 8 reps, you feel that you could only have performed one more rep (which would be an RPE of 9, not 6-7), then you’ll reduce the weight you lift for the next set to around the level where you will hit your RPE target. You’ll then finish any subsequent sets using that weight.
Note: Subsequent sets will be more difficult as you fatigue so use the lower end of the RPE rating for the first set. Also, bear in mind that on some days the latter sets can be disproportionately hard, and for that reason, we don’t want to go more than 2 RPE points higher than the starting setting. So, if your initial RPE setting is 7, then don’t perform any sets over an RPE of 9. If you do then stop your set, and if you have another set to perform, choose a lower weight so that you can hit the target number of reps.
This system works best when you have training experience with a lift. So for any exercises in your plan that are new to you, just bear in mind that you will get better at using this system over time with them.
[For a fuller explanation of RPE and how to implement it in your training programs check out this free email course Eric Helms and I put together.]
On Training to Failure
As it is related to RPE, I’ll include some notes here on training to failure.
Training to failure is something I was a fan of for years, but have moved further and further away from as I’ve gained more experience as a coach.
“Failure” has two common meanings: where there is a breakdown in form during a rep but maybe an additional repetition could be performed with poor form (“form failure”), and where the weight can no longer be physically moved (“mechanical failure”). In general, we don’t want to perform the big, multi-joint compound lifts to mechanical failure (squat variations, deadlift, overhead press, etc.) as the risk of injury when form breaks down is too high. Even performing these lifts to form failure on a regular basis is a bad idea for the same reasons and because the systemic fatigue generated is also very high (which can limit your ability to perform for the rest of the session). That said, it is much safer to train to failure with isolation exercises that don’t require full body efforts such as bicep curls, leg extensions, or even some machine compound movements like rows, pulldowns or perhaps the leg press.
You may be thinking at this point, “Why would I ever not want to go to failure? Doesn’t failure increase the amount of muscle activation I get and ensure that I have trained the fiber completely?” Those things are true for the most part, however, that’s looking at each exercise in isolation, rather than the big picture.
If you were to do 3 sets of bench with your 5 RM load, and on your first set you maxed out and went to failure, you would probably drop down to 3 and then possibly 2 reps on your next two sets depending on your rest interval. This will be 10 reps total. However, if you were to stop and just do 4 reps on the first set, you may be able to maintain 4 reps for all 3 sets. This will be 12 reps total.
In this way, it’s easy to see that we can hurt the amount of volume that we can do by going to failure too frequently. Thinking even bigger picture, going past just the single exercise, and thinking about subsequent training sessions, there are further negative implications from training to failure all the time.
As volume is a key driver of training progress, and training to failure can hurt the amount of volume we can perform, I do not want you to go to failure with any sets unless instructed.
Intermediate Progression – When You Are No Longer Able to Make Load Increases Session to Session
We have two different sets of progression rules which I’ve split into the categories, “compound movements” and “isolation movements.” We will now have a deload every 4th week for both.
With novice progression, a simple 10% reduction in weight was all that was necessary to deload, and you did this whenever additional weight could not be added. Managing fatigue is a little more complex however for the intermediate trainee (which is probably best defined as someone who needs to use intermediate progression techniques for the majority of their lifts).
You will have lift-specific, periodical deloads built into the progression pattern every four weeks. This allows residual fatigue dissipate before it can build to a point where it hampers performance and prevents you from progressing with the workout plan as intended. It will also reduce the risk of injury by allowing your connective tissues to recover. You must resist the temptation to not deload.
Occasionally, we will have a full deload week where I will instruct you to reduce volume (and sometimes intensity) for all exercises. I will typically do this at times where life or work stresses are high and I feel you could use a break. I may also suggest one when progress just seem a little off with expectation and I think you could benefit from one. For exercises with 2-3 sets, I want you to reduce the set number by one. For exercises with 4+ sets, reduce the set number by two. If I want you to reduce the intensity also I will give a percentage I wish you to reduce the loads lifted by, typically, 10%.
Intermediate Progression Rules for Compound Movements – “Linear Periodization”
Let’s say that you have Bench Press 3×6-8, 70-75% 1RM listed in your training program.
Choose a weight where you can complete 3 sets of 8, without needing a spot and rarely hitting failure on the last set (RPE no higher than 9.5 on last set and typically lower). If you unsure of what weight that might be, use the percentage of 1RM listed to guide you. So, if you can lift 200 lbs, choose 70% of that to start with, so 140 lbs.
For each successive workout, increase the load by 5 lbs and reduce the number of reps for each set by one.
The 4th workout is a deload day where you intentionally reduce both the load and reps.
On the 5th workout, get back to 3×8 and increase the load to slightly more than what you used the prior time you used 8 repetitions.
Here is how that looks in a table:
You can see that load, reps and volume will fluctuate workout to workout, but the load being used will increase every four weeks. This is called “linear periodization,” meaning that intensity goes up as volume goes down. It is a wave loading intermediate progression because the volume increases every fourth week.
WAVE LOADING PERIODIZATION
For the 3-5, 4-6, 5-7, and 6-8 rep ranges, drop the rep target by 1 rep each week with only a 5-10 lb (2.5-5 kg) increase in load week to week.
For the higher rep ranges of 8-12, reduce the rep target by 2 rather than 1 each week. So for example, if you see Incline Press 3×8-12 listed you would do a week of 12’s, then 10’s, and then 8’s, while increasing the load 5-10 lbs each week. (In most cases I’d recommend 5 lbs.)
Intermediate Progression Rules for Isolation Movements – “Double Progression”
For isolation exercises, it is not realistic to increase load as quickly. Imagine trying to add 5 lbs to your dumbbell bicep curl every fifth week – it is simply an unrealistic amount of progress. That would be an increase 10 times every year, requiring an addition of 50 lbs (~22 kg) to your bicep curl each year when most people can’t even dumbbell curl 50 lbs for one rep strict. Think about it in relative terms. If your max squat is 355 lbs (~160 kg), a 5 lb increase is an increase of about 1.5%. if your max dumbbell curl is 50 lbs a 5 lb increase is an increase of 10%. So that same 5 lb increase is over six times more of an increase for a curl than a squat. Therefore, we need another approach for isolation exercises.
The approach that I’d suggest we use is to add reps week by week, instead of increasing load. This is almost a reverse linear approach, where we are adding volume before increasing intensity, rather than adding intensity while decreasing volume. This is called double progression – we don’t progress the second variable until we progress the first; we don’t progress load before we progress repetitions.
Let’s say that you have Bicep Curl 3×12-15 @7-8 RPE listed in your training program.
Choose a load where you feel you can get pretty close to 15 reps for 3 sets (but not quite). (Note that we won’t set load based on a percentage of 1RM for isolation movements as it doesn’t work very well.)
Add reps each week, trying to get to the goal of 3×15. Take as many sessions as you need to achieve this. Avoid hitting failure until the last set, or you’ll sabotage your next sets.
Take the 4th week as a light week (a deload week). Regardless of what happens in the week prior to the deload, in the deload week go to the bottom of the rep range and just do two sets (12, 12).
After the deload you will hopefully come back, find yourself recovered and improve performance (in the example we get 15, 15, 14). Then in the next week, we get 15, 15, 15.
Thus in the next session, we increase the load, once again working back towards 3×15.
This is an example of how you as an intermediate trainee can still make pretty visible linear progress on a more or less week to week basis. (As a side note, if adding reps is too difficult in a narrow rep range such as 8-12 or 12-15, you can widen the rep range to allow slower progression, i.e., 8-15.)
Which progression system should I choose for exercise [X]?
The line between “compound movement” and “isolation movement” can be a little blurry. Furthermore, for some exercises that are technically compound movements, the isolation movement progression rules can be better suited as they will allow you to progress between the jumps in weight.
The dumbbell overhead press is one such exercise that immediately comes to mind for example. You may be able to progress using the compound movement progression rules for only a short while before the jump to the next set of dumbbells (which is usually in 5lb increments) becomes too great. At this point, you want to move to using the isolation progression rules.
In terms of progression speed: Linear progression > linear periodization > double progression > advanced periodization techniques.
For all exercises, choose the one furthest to the left of the continuum that you can actually progress with. This is the way you’ll progress fastest. When you can’t do the one, you move onto the next.
Are you suggesting I do the novice progression or some lifts and the intermediate progression for other lifts?
Yes. Whatever lift you can do novice progression for, do so, as you’ll progress fastest.
What about advanced progression?
This is for people who have gained 80-90% of their genetic potential in terms strength and/or hypertrophy and are seeking to get the remaining 10-20%. This can get complicated. We spent 18 pages directly addressing it in The Muscle and Strength Training Pyramid, though I consider the entire 176 pages as necessary cover it fully enough, and a lifetime to master. If you enjoyed this article you’ll get a lot out of the book. You can get your copy here.
Thank you for reading. I will publish two example intermediate level training programs soon.Questions welcomed in the comments.
For my first 12 months training I was the same as you, following a BRO split and had similar issues. The split has a fair bit of crossover for certain muscle groups so doesn’t allow for necessary recovery sometimes. If you want to focus on all muscle groups twice per week research Upper Lower Workouts and you’ll find plenty online or even on this forum. You can try PPL which is what I’m using now.
Deadlift or Rack Pull Warm Up + 3x6 Reps
BB Rows 3x8-12 Reps
Lat Pulldown 3x8-12 Reps
Rear Delt (Reverse Pec Deck) 4x12 Reps
Standing Bicep Curls 3x6-8 Reps
Concentration Curls 3x12 Reps
BB Bench Warm Up + 3x6 Reps
DB Incline Bench 3x8-12 Reps
DB Flies 3x8-12 Reps
OHP 3x6 Reps
DB Lat Raises 3x8-12 Reps
EZ Bar Skullcrushers 3x6-10 Reps
Rope Pulldown or Overhead 3x12 Reps
Back Squats Warm Up + 3x6-8 Reps
RDLs 3x8-10 Reps
Leg Press 3x10-12 Reps
Hamstring Curl 3x8-12 Reps
Leg Extension 3x8-12 Reps
Calves (However you train) 3x6-8 Reps + 2x15 Reps
The schedule I had for this but can’t always find the time to follow is below. You can juggle this up but I can’t do Pull and Legs on consecutive days. For the same reasons you’ve posted, recovery.
Monday - Legs
Wednesday - Pull
Thursday - Push
Saturday - Legs
And don’t forget diet mate. Make sure you’re eating the right number of calories, split correctly for Protein, Carbs and Fats. Have you got a pic you can put up on here? I’m assuming you’re trying to bulk, what BF% are you?
Yeah but if you were just running dbol/tren or whatever else with no test, your natty test would be shutdown. But if you're on nebido/trt, then you will always have a good healthy test level, plus whatever you add.
You can cut naturally and preserve muscle mass
The higher the test the more you'll preserve.
The leaner you get or the more muscle you hold the higher that dose will need to be until a certain point where no dose will hold onto muscle.
The dose is individual based on these variables
For most trt is fine to cut on and yes you'll lose some muscle but it'll quickly come back once in a surplus
If you double that dose to 300mg you'll lose virtually none until you get extremely lean or you are huge as I keep saying
I've heard of people doing a week's worth at a time. (3-4 syringes or Test P and/or Tren Ace)
Don't know of anyone doing 10-16 weeks in 1 go.
I wouldn't do personally.
What I do is....
Buy a cheap draw string ahower bag (like from wilko)
Put 15x Green needles, 15x blue needles, 15x 3ml syringes, 4x 10ml Test E 300mg/ml vials, 30x alcohol wipes into that bag, a pack of adex tablets.
And then on pin day (friday) I just grab that one bag, and has everything I need for my current cycle. Week by week the bag gets smaller. And then I put everything else like unused vials, extra needles etc away somewhere safe until It's ready to drop the TRT.