You can use as little as 2iu and experience the sleep benefits.
Personally I tend to float around the 2-5iu range otherwise I get sluggish and my grip starts going.
That and I think it's pretty low on the list of muscle builders and performance enhancers which at higher doses even has a detriment to PE as insulin sens goes to s**t, then you bring in slin and it becomes a plate spin.
Definitley has it's place but I do feel the price tag and name is half the allure.
(I've just wrote all this out and realized it just echoes what I've already wrote ITT
wanted to make this one for a minute so be prepared for a rant
I've used HGH ranging from 2iu per day up to 10iu 5x per week and most doses in between
I find as little as 2iu per day to offer the benefits I want and expect from GH (will go into this more below) and although very subtle in regard to its performance enhancement that is simply the nature of GH
sweet spot if money is no object I personally like 5iu x5 per week, any more and my wrists just start pounding and my hands feel like they've been injected full of water to the point of bursting and grip takes a huge hit
I find titration to be key with GH if you want to avoid the CTS side effects or just as bad the ridiculous fatigue, at 10iu monday to friday i was hanging out my ass! like literally felt like I could sleep all day and even if i did nap id wake up just as worn out
now onto the benefits
improved sleep, improved recovery, better body composition / nutrient partitioning, fuller appearance hmm that's about it at all doses ime
didn't turn into Dorian Yates, couldn't eat dominos all day and maintain a full six pack, didn't pile on slabs of muscle mass at an alarming rate
GH is like the forbidden fruit for people budgeting and as such they are certain that it is the key they are missing as to why they're not massive... its not.
it is subtle even at high dose and if you were to buy 500iu of gh and slam the lot over 3 months and your twin brother buys 5 vials of test and slams the lot over 3 months he'll leave you in the dust in regards to size and strength and save himself a big wad of cash
yes GH and insulin is what created the 90s mass monsters ONCE EVERY OTHER AVENUE WAS EXHAUSTED: they were eating tons of food, had tons of muscle mass, strong as f**k, taking plenty of gear, killing themselves in the gym and sleeping as much as possible for many many years then these subtle additions helped tip them over the edge on top of all the rest of it
personally I've found the addition of GH and insulin just gave me a fuller look with almost a watery sheath under my skin even when fairly lean more than anything else
all of this went away whenever I cease usage
I feel GH and slin just makes me look bigger through masses of intramuscular water retention which looks great but how much it actually adds to my overall gains? I don't think anything ground breaking and certainly no where close to even 500mg test as I said above but its hard to say on the whole how much since aside from one time I've always done the GH and slin combo on a blast where its hard to 100% quantify what is doing what without adding and removing things and reassessing
but one way that GH does add to gains for sure is better sleep and recovery (arguably recovery is enhanced merely because you are sleeping so much deeper and longer)
growth hormone would have far less attention if it were called 'look a little fuller, sleep and recover a little better hormone' rather than G R O W T H hormone
so just to clarify I think GH has its place but is best served as a 'top up' rather than people expecting crazy results from it based off its name and how much cash it set them back
I think if you've got enough cash and want to get the most from it without running it year round then it's best served during a cruise or off time from gear when you want to stack all possible odds in your favor without a cost to health / blood markers effected by AAS
this is also the most significant time for that full effect I was referring to above
what is the worse things about being off cycle or blast:
losing muscle (although this is much less than people think, its more fullness related)
well HGH (combined with slin to amplify) addresses the flatness and recovery plus GH has anticatabolic properties so will further help with muscle preservation
so this is why I predominantly use HGH during a cruise since when I'm blasting gear none of the above is an issue
right if you're still reading this well done and if you're not I'm going to put the next sentence in bold for those that skim over
LACK OF EXOGENOUS HGH IS NOT THE REASON YOU ARE NOT MASSIVE, STOP SAVING EVERY PENNY TO BUY TINY LITTLE DOSES BECAUSE EVEN THE BIG DOSES WONT PUT AS MUCH SIZE ON YOU AS A SINGLE POT OF ANADROL WILL, TRAIN HARD, REST PLENTY, EAT EVEN MORE AND TAKE A BIT OF GEAR THEN DO IT FOR A DECADE, NOTHING IS FAST IN THIS GAME AND NO DRUG IS THE SECRET YOU ARE MISSING.
Twice so I do have experience but all I did was pay a bailiff some money I owed got a receipt then took the money back of him and when there was trouble in a pub once when the bar was shut I went behind the bar and carried on serving a policeman was called so I punched him took his helmet of him put it on my head and carried on serving but this was a long time ago since then I have successfully got full custody of my children so it evens it out imo
IMO leave out the var and just run the oxy and winstrol together
I've used both combined (both injectable and oral) and synergy is very good
All the benefits of both and they seem to reduce alot of the sides from the other compound
Dryness of winnie and water retention of oxys kinda cancel each other out
Downside for me was high bp and nose bleeds
I don't think var would add much here
I ask prior that the advice will take time
They stop what theyrw dling and xkme sit with me. Theyre interested. But after theyre just back to what they thinks right. As said above- people really just dont get the calorie deficit to lose weight!
I know my advice is golden. I only cover what i know works. I do not suggest somwthing that im unsure of.
Ive worked hard to get this knowledge. And i do want to share. But it has now gof that point where i feel people dont wanna hesr the truth, and just come eaxh time doinf random s**t and expecting results.
For example- a guy who literally joined a gym and a week later got on gear. I gavw all the advice i knew i could. Whoch included not using gear yet.
Hw then went to show me a pic of me at his biggest. When i saw it i thought he was showing me a fat pic. But he thought he was 'big'
And this is when i kust walked off. Done mt s**t and came home ans started this thread.
Seems like you're being over friendly with them mate... sod spending an hour of my time chatting to strangers in a gym.
If a resting bitch face doesn't work to make you less approachable, just say I'll chat after I've finished my training, then just leave and doubt they'll ask again.
Most heavily muscled guys can’t do a chin, but can probably lay pull down more than us...
it’s not an ego thing, I just don’t like it , I didn’t crave keeping my ‘gains’ so much I’d do it. The gym was a , get out the house , social thing for me , the body changes obviously next in line.
I cant sayxi epcerince sides from NPP.
Ive jever tried deca and probably wont, i like short esters - just my preference.
Youll get decent size, nice pumped vasulcular look ( bosy fat % im pacte the how vascular.
Decent strength boost.
I would siggest maybe a small dose od caber if run ing yesr round.
But if not 10-12 weeks as @JHMuscle said this is a decent durarion. Id at least as some prov or mast even at this duration.
Up till lockdown I had been blasting for 2 years. Mainly on NPP amd oxy.
But always had mast and or prov.
Apetite is good on it. I love the compound. Really good al rounder.