BabyYoYo

Hi all, this is my first post since joining yesterday and I'd just like to say that I've read some great posts and it seems there are a lot of knowledgeable guys on here which is cool, not so many girls though!

Ok here goes, I was hoping somebody on here might be able to give some advice with regards to using Clenbuterol.

A bit about me, I'm 22, 10st, train 3-4 times per week resistance and cardio and am trying to achieve a leaner physique and also drop to about 9st. As it is, the gym is doing wonders however, I seem to plateau at 10st and can never seem to get any lower. Having spent the past month researching "clen" I am planning to have a go at a cycle and see how I improve....My diet is pretty good although I'm sure it could be better. (Chocolate!!) I'm planning on doing a 3 week on 3 week off cycle and perhaps using an ECA stack during the off period but we'll see.

If anyone out there has some advice for me I'd be most grateful!!!



Thanks!

Kate x

YetiMan

Welcome.
Sort your diet out first before resulting to pills.. Or Clen or any thing like that.
Post up what your diet is and what you eat roughly on a day and some one should be able to help you with a diet. Diet and correct cardio/weights will sort it out. Dont rely on pills or suppliments to do that for you.
You even admited about chocolate. No sacrifice, no victory.

hilly2008

Have you treid an eca stack by itself first. clen is really a step once you have tried every other method and really if you are not loosing weight then its your diet/cardio you need to be looking at.

My g/f used clen last year and to be honest she didnt like the sides at all. She got them much worse than i do. She has now gone to weight watchers and is down from 11 -10 stone and wants to get to 9 like yourself.

Id recommend trying an eca stack and increasing your cardio and maybe changing it to AM cardio if its not already.

YetiMan

Still think sorta the diet/cardio/weights out before resulting to ECA. I do not have heaps of expirience but I would say leave the clen till a kinda last resort.
A friend down my gym wants to resort to clen saying no diets are working etc. His diet is **** and his routine is **** lol. Not saying yours is Kate ^^

BabyYoYo

Seriously, my diet is ok! I don't believe in denying myself anything. Just have very small amounts! And the chocolate is dark chocolate 70% which is good for your heart if I'm not mistaken!

Typical Day: (yesterday)

7am Bowl of Weetabix with s/s milk
10am Fruit & Green Tea
1pm Cheese on toast & green tea
4pm Home made s/s milk, peanut butter & Banana shake (post gym workout)
6pm Stir fried squid, watercress and spinach
7pm 3 Pieces of dark chocolate!

The intention is not to rely on anything. I eat a good diet and I train hard to the best of my ability and my objective is to maximise the results from my training sessions.

hilly2008

As you said your diet is good. However do you know how many cals you are eating every day. how many grams of protein/carbs/fats.

Do you know your maintance cals. It is very hard not to loose weight if you are eating less than your maintance cals. 99% of people i believe will loose weight.

If you are not wanting to adjust your diet and you are not loosing weight then you need to find other ways of buring those extra cals to bring you under maintance. Wether that is extra cardio, ECA or clen is your choice but i recommend staying away from clen until you have tried other methods.

YetiMan

Thats fair enough, but what about your training, what do you do and how often? Try and give us a more whole picture so that some one like PScarb(who has some great knowledge) or others can give you some good advice
Any how best of luck im off to cage rage

BabyYoYo

Well as I say, My diet is good, I train very hard and I plateau at 10st. I'd like to think that my gym routine id pretty good as I've been going regularly for the past 6 years! It is varied and incorporates all aspects from speed to resistance so in the way you put it, I guess it's a last resort.

Pscarb

well i would definatly add protein to that diet like most female diets it lacks protein, the thing about protein is that it tones the muscle so you look better, it also uses more calories to digest than carbs and fats....

i can understand that you believe it is a good diet and in a way it is but you would have much better results if you added some more protein.

if your intention is not to rely on anything then i would not of thought you would want to rely on clen to drop the weight.....in saying that this is not a bad thing as i think you have the right mindset and that you train and eat correctly...

so the dosing for clen is....

start on 20mcg's(normally 1 tab) a day then increse this by 1 tab every 5yh day until a max of 80mcg's is reached after 5 days on 80mcgs take a week off then start again but start on 40mcg's and stay at the 80mcg dose for 10 days....

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BabyYoYo

Arrrgh! I'm one behind you!!!

Sorry, so anyway about my training; 3-4 times a week. Normally Wednesdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays.

Start off each session with a 1000m warm up row followed by warm up stretches.

I always do cardio first which on any given day will normally consist of a 45 min combination of either:

Treadmill & Bike
Cross Trainer & Stepper
Cross Trainer & Bike

(A cartilidge problem in my knee doesnt allow too much high impact exercise)

I then take to the mats and do 180 crunches and 50 back raises from the floor to strengthen lower back and abs.

After this comes the resistance.

Arms:
Lat pulldowns: 3 sets @ 28/35 kg 10 reps
1 Arm rows: 3 sets 8kg 10 reps
Chest press using free weights: 3 sets 16 kg 16reps
Shoulder press using free weights: 3 sets 12 kg 10 reps

Legs:
Dumbell Squats: 3 sets with 16kg 15 reps
Lunges with dumbells: 3 sets with 16 kg 15 reps
Leg extension 3 sets of each 10 reps @ 28/35 kg
Leg Curls 3 sets of 10 reps @ 28 kg
Cool down stretches

(At home I do 30 mins of Skipping combined with crunches and press ups on days I can't get to the gym and on Wednesdays I also do a 45 minute spinning class!!!!)

In reply to Hilly, I think my maintenance cals should be around 1400. Which is pretty much what I average, I'm quite careful with portion sizing and calorie control so thats not the issue. At the end of last year I was about 11st am now 10st through exercise and reduced calorie intake however, I cannot get below 10st. Even when I did an 8 day detox consisting of apple juice, bulk fibre and water! The weight is not the primary reason I'm here. The intention is a very lean, but not muscly figure with minimal fat!!

p.s I haven't tried the stack yet, after consideration it was my second choice but who knows, I'm here for advice and I'll take it all on board!
Kate x

BabyYoYo

Thanks Pscarb!

I am trying to incorporate more protein into my diet.... I should have been more specific really. My diet is a work in progress at the moment after contracting salmonella last year. Some foods, particularly complex carbs and proteins I find very hard to stomach.... they tend to cause me digestive problems to say the least but as I say, I'm getting there! I'm totally committed to this and it is my goal to achieve my potential! So far, I've been advised against clen on the basis that there are other things to try first... but I'm not convinced yet!

Tinytom

You could try incorporating some more digestive enzymes into your diet if you have problems digeting stuff.

You can buy the from any health store and get some bacteria complex as well.

I use both of these and never get problems

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BabyYoYo

Thanks Tinytom!

BabyYoYo

Would any of you care to comment on my training routine? I could use some feedback or suggestions?

Captain Hero

welcome to the board

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