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**big** · 26-02-2005, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by winger

I am loosing 1 pound a week and all my lifts are still up. 2 pounds a week and I dont think I can get stronger. At best I would hope I maintained my lifts, but that better be a perfect diet.
Stick or drop weights? Always lift. If you are going to drop anything drop the dnp!;) Weights are the best fat burner there is. You get to burn fat and sculpt the body. Every one of Bigs posts are spot on. This stuff is not rocket science trust me. If you are getting weaker you are eather not getting enough sleep or over training, or your diet is sh1t. You are doing Diatia so the diet is cool. I think you need to do less in the gym and drop the cardio if you are doing cardio. You dont need it with the dnp.
I train 5-6 days with weights for 17 minutes heavy. I know everybody is different, but this works for me.

Bump this! Awesome post and solid advice.

ChefX · 26-02-2005, 01:07 AM

on dnp you loose most of the weight afterward.. ask pscarb

Before - I said your total weightloss after 4 weeks total before! Think about it, dnp shutdown thyroid but it super rebounds afterward and you strip the fluids... you usually can get a total loss for the four weeks but it will be simular to what you could get with what you did with your diet... or a pound or two more. DNP works if used at the right time, your bodyfat was too high IMO

Try weighing in only once every two weeks, I think the averaging is best anyway.

One system I used with women is I would weigh them weekly but average this week and last together, that way we got a more average result and better accuracy.

cheers
holiday is nice LOL
back soon

winger · 26-02-2005, 01:20 AM

Bump the last two posts.

............lol. One was mine.......well sorda.

TYSON · 26-02-2005, 03:04 PM

Ok so basically ive got to step back and start again, when i say drop the weights i didnt mean stop lifting i meant lower the weight i was lifting winger.

This is how i train currently, like big says i am going to have to admit i cant train like i did when i was 25 so training advice welcome but this is also where problems arise because i value all your opinions but most of you do things different so this ends up confusing. If i list my exact training routine below which i enjoy then maybe if we use this as a bases and adjust it as you lot think best. If i have to totally scrap this way of training then so be it but im an old school trainer and this is all i know.

I HAVE ALLWAYS BEEN A BELEIVER THAT YOU PICK ONLY 3 EXERCISES PER BODY PART FOR A MAX OF 6-8 REPS TO BUILD SIZE. EACH WORKOUT IS 40 MINUTES LONG

Mondays (CHEST & TRICEPS)

3 x 8 Bench press
3 x 8 Incline bench press
3 x 8 dumbell flyers

3 x 8 tricep exstensions
3 x 8 overhead dumbell extensions
3 x 8 dumbell kick backs

Tuesdays(CARDIO)

30 minute stationary cycle

Wednesdays(BACK & LEGS)

3 x 8 lat pulldowns
3 x 8 seated rows
3 x 8 bent over dumbell rows

3 x 8 squats
3 x 8 leg exstensions
1 x failure calf raises

Thursday(CARDIO)

30 minute stationary

Fridays(SHOULDERS & BICEPS

3 X 8 shoulder press
3 x 8 dumbell front raises
3 x 8 dumbell side raises
3 x 8 dumbell bent over rear raises

3 x 8 ez bar bicep curls
3 x 8 standing dumbell curls
3 x 8 seated hammer curls

When i was younger and studied books and magazines ect: this is what the routines used to look like and were used by the pros, this worked for me back then but im sure you lot will rip it all apart

ALL LIFTS ARE USING MAX WEIGHT POSSABLE

TYSON · 26-02-2005, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ChefX

cheers
holiday is nice LOL
back soon

LUCKY GIT, SNOWING HERE

**hackskii** · 26-02-2005, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by big

You also have to realise that you MAY be overtraining (it honestly sounds like you are). For one thing, while what you're doing now may have worked real nice when you were 25 and on lots of gear with a bulking diet, you're now older (which usually, but not always, means even less recovery ability) and are on a cutting diet.

This is probably the case here.

**big** · 26-02-2005, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TYSON

When i was younger and studied books and magazines ect: this is what the routines used to look like and were used by the pros, this worked for me back then but im sure you lot will rip it all apart

Sure, these are the kind of routines supposedly used by the pros - guys with amazing genetics, amazing recovery ability and bucket-loads of drugs. Many sleep 10-12 hours a day, plus naps, and can guarantee to get huge quantities of protein every 2 hours, and can afford to run gross amounts of drugs like GH and test almost constantly. This is their life 24/7 - many don't have day jobs.

These are also the kind of routines that is the sole reason why the drop-out rate of bodybuilding is about 99%. THEY DON'T WORK FOR MOST PEOPLE!

For the vast majority of people doing that kind of training will lead to overtraining after a period of time and little or no progress.

Which books and magazines were you reading? The routine sounds like one right out of flex - a magazine that WANTS to keep you small so that you keep buying their magazine! Get yourself a proper no-nonsense book like Beyond Brawn and learn how to train yourself properly.

winger · 26-02-2005, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TYSON

Mondays (CHEST & TRICEPS)

3 x 8 Bench press
3 x 8 Incline bench press
3 x 8 dumbell flyers

3 x 8 tricep exstensions
3 x 8 overhead dumbell extensions
3 x 8 dumbell kick backs

Tuesdays(CARDIO)

30 minute stationary cycle

Wednesdays(BACK & LEGS)

3 x 8 lat pulldowns
3 x 8 seated rows
3 x 8 bent over dumbell rows

3 x 8 squats
3 x 8 leg exstensions
1 x failure calf raises

Thursday(CARDIO)

30 minute stationary

Fridays(SHOULDERS & BICEPS

3 X 8 shoulder press
3 x 8 dumbell front raises
3 x 8 dumbell side raises
3 x 8 dumbell bent over rear raises

3 x 8 ez bar bicep curls
3 x 8 standing dumbell curls
3 x 8 seated hammer curls

I like this routine.

TYSON · 26-02-2005, 04:41 PM

Well can you modifiy my workout or do i just scrap it, and where do i get this book from, but more importantly is it worth getting

TYSON · 26-02-2005, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by winger

I like this routine.

If that is a true comment then this is my point, who the bloody hell is right :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

**big** · 26-02-2005, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TYSON

If that is a true comment then this is my point, who the bloody hell is right :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

If that routine is working for you, he is right.

If that routine is NOT working for you, I am right.

Only you know if it's working for you, but from what you've said about your recent progress, I don't think it is at all.

TYSON · 26-02-2005, 04:55 PM

ok but has my progress suffered because ive gone for weight rather than feeling the muscle work. its hard to say if its working because as im cutting my measurements go up and down if you know what i mean. HOW DO I KNOW THIS IS NOT WORKING REALISTICALLY

**big** · 26-02-2005, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TYSON

ok but has my progress suffered because ive gone for weight rather than feeling the muscle work. its hard to say if its working because as im cutting my measurements go up and down if you know what i mean. HOW DO I KNOW THIS IS NOT WORKING REALISTICALLY

In my opinion, if you cannot increase your strength regardless of whether you're cutting or bulking, then it is not working for you.

If your weights are going up (under 100% strict form), it's working. If they're not, then it's not. Progressive resistance is the key. This is the case whether you're going for max weights or whether you're going for "feel" (whatever that means).

If in doubt, do LESS, not more.

TYSON · 26-02-2005, 05:08 PM

HOW CAN I EXPLAIN IT.....when i started back on weights i started light so not to injure myself, while exercising i could feel lets say my arms burning and pumping with blood, this was the case for my whole body as i gradually raised the weights, but i got so into adding weight as a proiraty that i seem to be lifting the weight but not feeling the muscles lifting the weight as before. DOES THAT MAKE IT CLEARER IM NOT SURE HOW BEST TO DESCRIBE IT. thats why my question was on another thread is the weight more inportant than lets say a lesser weight but feeling that you are working the muscles.

**big** · 26-02-2005, 05:11 PM

That's down to personal preference, as long as your form is strict and you're progressively loading your weights. The key is progressive resistance.

If you're "feeling" the same weight week in and week out, you're going to end up being the same size.

Similarly if you're using heavy weights at the expense of form, you're just going to hurt yourself.

Keep form TIGHT and lift progressively heavier weights during a training cycle. If you cannot do that, then something (routine, diet or rest) is wrong.

26-02-2005, 01:07 AM	#17 (permalink)
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26-02-2005, 03:04 PM	#19 (permalink)
TYSON Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK (Bedfordshire) Posts: 731	Ok so basically ive got to step back and start again, when i say drop the weights i didnt mean stop lifting i meant lower the weight i was lifting winger. This is how i train currently, like big says i am going to have to admit i cant train like i did when i was 25 so training advice welcome but this is also where problems arise because i value all your opinions but most of you do things different so this ends up confusing. If i list my exact training routine below which i enjoy then maybe if we use this as a bases and adjust it as you lot think best. If i have to totally scrap this way of training then so be it but im an old school trainer and this is all i know. I HAVE ALLWAYS BEEN A BELEIVER THAT YOU PICK ONLY 3 EXERCISES PER BODY PART FOR A MAX OF 6-8 REPS TO BUILD SIZE. EACH WORKOUT IS 40 MINUTES LONG Mondays (CHEST & TRICEPS) 3 x 8 Bench press 3 x 8 Incline bench press 3 x 8 dumbell flyers 3 x 8 tricep exstensions 3 x 8 overhead dumbell extensions 3 x 8 dumbell kick backs Tuesdays(CARDIO) 30 minute stationary cycle Wednesdays(BACK & LEGS) 3 x 8 lat pulldowns 3 x 8 seated rows 3 x 8 bent over dumbell rows 3 x 8 squats 3 x 8 leg exstensions 1 x failure calf raises Thursday(CARDIO) 30 minute stationary Fridays(SHOULDERS & BICEPS 3 X 8 shoulder press 3 x 8 dumbell front raises 3 x 8 dumbell side raises 3 x 8 dumbell bent over rear raises 3 x 8 ez bar bicep curls 3 x 8 standing dumbell curls 3 x 8 seated hammer curls When i was younger and studied books and magazines ect: this is what the routines used to look like and were used by the pros, this worked for me back then but im sure you lot will rip it all apart ALL LIFTS ARE USING MAX WEIGHT POSSABLE __________________ :lift: BODYBUILDERS DO IT TILL IT HURTS:lift: Last edited by TYSON; 26-02-2005 at 03:07 PM.

26-02-2005, 04:41 PM	#24 (permalink)
TYSON Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK (Bedfordshire) Posts: 731	Well can you modifiy my workout or do i just scrap it, and where do i get this book from, but more importantly is it worth getting __________________ :lift: BODYBUILDERS DO IT TILL IT HURTS:lift:

26-02-2005, 04:55 PM	#27 (permalink)
TYSON Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK (Bedfordshire) Posts: 731	ok but has my progress suffered because ive gone for weight rather than feeling the muscle work. its hard to say if its working because as im cutting my measurements go up and down if you know what i mean. HOW DO I KNOW THIS IS NOT WORKING REALISTICALLY __________________ :lift: BODYBUILDERS DO IT TILL IT HURTS:lift:

26-02-2005, 05:08 PM	#29 (permalink)
TYSON Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK (Bedfordshire) Posts: 731	HOW CAN I EXPLAIN IT.....when i started back on weights i started light so not to injure myself, while exercising i could feel lets say my arms burning and pumping with blood, this was the case for my whole body as i gradually raised the weights, but i got so into adding weight as a proiraty that i seem to be lifting the weight but not feeling the muscles lifting the weight as before. DOES THAT MAKE IT CLEARER IM NOT SURE HOW BEST TO DESCRIBE IT. thats why my question was on another thread is the weight more inportant than lets say a lesser weight but feeling that you are working the muscles. __________________ :lift: BODYBUILDERS DO IT TILL IT HURTS:lift:

26-02-2005, 05:11 PM	#30 (permalink)
big UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Beer me Posts: 5,283	That's down to personal preference, as long as your form is strict and you're progressively loading your weights. The key is progressive resistance. If you're "feeling" the same weight week in and week out, you're going to end up being the same size. Similarly if you're using heavy weights at the expense of form, you're just going to hurt yourself. Keep form TIGHT and lift progressively heavier weights during a training cycle. If you cannot do that, then something (routine, diet or rest) is wrong.