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TYSON · 14-02-2005, 02:07 PM

I am one of those trainers who aims to add 1/2 kg to an exercise every time i workout. I obviously dont manage this every time or i would look like Arnie but i do try. So basically what im saying is i allways train on the 3 x 8 reps max system and if i manage this i will add weight next time so i can only do 6 or 7 reps until i hit 8 again and so on. So i am allways training at my maximum strengh.

I trained today and seemed to find the weights easier than normall as if i got stronger over night, i know this is not possable but has any one else exsperianced this. It wasnt on one exercise either it was on all the sets. VERY STRANGE:confused:

ChefX · 14-02-2005, 02:18 PM

that works very well

we use a strange way of getting a running start (think pile driver)
if you fail don't get the target) we lower the wieght
if you succeed we rais eth weight
at scheduled intervals we reset the weight lower to get that running start again aka periodization

TYSON · 14-02-2005, 02:35 PM

Yeah but i struggled with the weights last week so find it weird, as for lowering the weights i have never done this before as i strive to go forward permantly never backwards

**hackskii** · 14-02-2005, 03:47 PM

You might have had a much needed rest somewhere.
Recouperation is vital for strength.

**big pete** · 14-02-2005, 04:41 PM

periodization as chef says is a WONDEROUS thing!! youd be surprised how well it works.

but christ, i be well chuffed if id hit through weights like that!! maybe "mentally" you had it totally right and you were set up for the lifts?? who knows

SportDr · 14-02-2005, 04:59 PM

Rest, Diet , hormones, metabolism, supplements, any of these could be the answer to your sudden improvement or a combination of all.

To truly discover the cause of a specific training effect you have to be thorough in your recording, food, supps, AAS, rest, mood, training, it all has an effect. If you havent recorded these things then it is just guesswork and even then....Personally, I would just enjoy it!

SD

TYSON · 14-02-2005, 07:20 PM

Well my last training day was Friday but thats the same every week but cant complain....The trouble is i have added weight in that session as i do keep weight records but will i struggle next week when i train chest and tris again or will the strengh still be their. Would be gutted if not as i would step back again and as i said i dont like that,

winger · 15-02-2005, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TYSON

I trained today and seemed to find the weights easier than normall as if i got stronger over night, i know this is not possable but has any one else exsperianced this. It wasnt on one exercise either it was on all the sets. VERY STRANGE:confused:

Was your cheat day on Sunday? You have been dieting, right? Loosing 2 pounds a week. All I can say is your busted...........You cheated on your diet.............lol Thats a good thing.

**big** · 15-02-2005, 08:35 AM

In a gym, 20kg plates can actually probably range from 19kg to 21kg each - maybe even a wider range. Weigh some and see.

It's entirely possible that you could have been using slightly lighter plates this time than last time - even though they're all marked as the same weight.

But aside from that, you should be able to put your weights up each and every session. If you can't, then something's wrong with your training routine.

SportDr · 15-02-2005, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by big

But aside from that, you should be able to put your weights up each and every session. If you can't, then something's wrong with your training routine.

SUrely reps should go up first Big? or else people would overtrain if on low volume high intensity for example.

SD

TYSON · 15-02-2005, 10:24 AM

My cheat days are saturdays and sundays as they are every week, the weights are the ones i allways use as i have built a gym at home and have many weights. The barbell for bench press does not move and i only add weight to it so the weights never get moved around as i have a different barbell for squats and a different one for shoulder press ect: same as dumbells i have around 20 different dumbells with the weights on them for a particullar excerise so the weights can only get higher as i add and cannot possably get mixed up so that a plate may way slightly less than another but good idea. I have changed nothing from any other week from weights to diet. i allways have sat and sun as cheat days and still loose weight and very slightly also adding muscle as i measure every week SAD i know but thats how i train.

**big** · 15-02-2005, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SportDr

SUrely reps should go up first Big? or else people would overtrain if on low volume high intensity for example.

No, for most exercises with heavy weights, it's easier to increase the weights than the reps.

Here's why:

Say you can do 100kgx6 on bench. Using a random 1rm calculator from google (the first one in the search), this gives a theoretical 1rm of 116kg.

If you wanted to do 100kgx7 on your next workout, that's a theoretical 1rm of 120kg - a 4kg increase.

If you wanted to do 102.5kgx6, that's a theoritical 1rm of 119kg - a 3kg increase which is more achievable.

Therefore, it's easier to increase the weights than it is to add an extra rep. By trying for an extra rep, you are more likely to miss your target (and therefore just repeating the theoretical 116kg you got last time) than by loading extra weight.

Of course, for smaller starting weights, it's easier to increase reps than weight.

DB · 15-02-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by big

In a gym, 20kg plates can actually probably range from 19kg to 21kg each - maybe even a wider range. Weigh some and see.
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lol no way mate...

a company's product would not be used if they used a 1kg +-tolerence in there manufacturing..ur probably looking at 100g +- mate... and the scales at gyms are not very accurate not within 500gs anyway

**big** · 15-02-2005, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dirty barry

lol no way mate...

a company's product would not be used if they used a 1kg +-tolerence in there manufacturing..ur probably looking at 100g +- mate... and the scales at gyms are not very accurate not within 500gs anyway

Seriously.. try putting some on an accurate set of scales.

Plates also get bashed around, dented, chipped etc as well as the manufacturing tolerences.

ChefX · 15-02-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dirty barry

lol no way mate...

a company's product would not be used if they used a 1kg +-tolerence in there manufacturing..ur probably looking at 100g +- mate... and the scales at gyms are not very accurate not within 500gs anyway

dirty barry I weigh all the plates in gyms when I go to them with a postal scale and the marker the actual weight on the back its give or take 2kg at the 20kg plate level.

I have a set of plates that will kill ya and I pulled this one from a powerlifting gym ,see if you can spot the problem

14-02-2005, 02:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
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14-02-2005, 02:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
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14-02-2005, 02:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
TYSON Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK (Bedfordshire) Posts: 731	Yeah but i struggled with the weights last week so find it weird, as for lowering the weights i have never done this before as i strive to go forward permantly never backwards __________________ :lift: BODYBUILDERS DO IT TILL IT HURTS:lift:

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14-02-2005, 07:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
TYSON Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK (Bedfordshire) Posts: 731	Well my last training day was Friday but thats the same every week but cant complain....The trouble is i have added weight in that session as i do keep weight records but will i struggle next week when i train chest and tris again or will the strengh still be their. Would be gutted if not as i would step back again and as i said i dont like that, __________________ :lift: BODYBUILDERS DO IT TILL IT HURTS:lift:

15-02-2005, 08:35 AM	#9 (permalink)
big UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Beer me Posts: 5,279	In a gym, 20kg plates can actually probably range from 19kg to 21kg each - maybe even a wider range. Weigh some and see. It's entirely possible that you could have been using slightly lighter plates this time than last time - even though they're all marked as the same weight. But aside from that, you should be able to put your weights up each and every session. If you can't, then something's wrong with your training routine.

15-02-2005, 10:24 AM	#11 (permalink)
TYSON Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK (Bedfordshire) Posts: 731	My cheat days are saturdays and sundays as they are every week, the weights are the ones i allways use as i have built a gym at home and have many weights. The barbell for bench press does not move and i only add weight to it so the weights never get moved around as i have a different barbell for squats and a different one for shoulder press ect: same as dumbells i have around 20 different dumbells with the weights on them for a particullar excerise so the weights can only get higher as i add and cannot possably get mixed up so that a plate may way slightly less than another but good idea. I have changed nothing from any other week from weights to diet. i allways have sat and sun as cheat days and still loose weight and very slightly also adding muscle as i measure every week SAD i know but thats how i train. __________________ :lift: BODYBUILDERS DO IT TILL IT HURTS:lift: