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Old 27-12-2007, 08:44 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Re: The Only Workout Info You Will Ever Need

bro the article is good...but when its the ultimate word.. i mean not all pros are wrong in the mags or trainin dvds...

who would listen to about building muscle... dennis wolf or some german powerlifter ?

damn, we could write a book ...lol

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Old 27-12-2007, 08:52 PM   #32 (permalink)
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bro the article is good...but when its the ultimate word.. i mean not all pros are wrong in the mags or trainin dvds...

who would listen to about building muscle... dennis wolf or some german powerlifter ?

damn, we could write a book ...lol

god bless you bulldozer
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I would listen to the powerlifter anyday buddy

Training mags and dvds. You cant be serious surely mate?

These are a (on a whole) a total joke. Written by some ghost writer sitting in an office somewhere.

Training like the pro's has gotta be the biggest mistake of them all. (and the dumbest) They are :

1. genetically gifted
2. on sh1t loads of drugs
3. have nothing else to do except train, sleep, eat.

You need to find a volume/frequency/intensity that works for you, not some pro in a magazine.

I can see we are getting nowhere here mate. We will just agree to disagree
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Old 27-12-2007, 08:52 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Re: The Only Workout Info You Will Ever Need

TBH BB is not about the weight that you lift but how the body looks, too many ppl get wrapped up in the weights that their lifting or weights that other people are lifting but i was on a web site before (cant remember which 1) and Jay Cutler was on it and said obviously he uses high weights, but no where near as high as power lifters and does not care too, he said that too many "wanna be" bodybuilders (his words not mine) worry too much about the weights they are pushing rather than their actual physiques thats why they dont get any where!

He even advised that rather than people over weight the bar, that they use a lighter weight PROPERLY and concentrate on their body and the part that they are trying to make better (notice the word better not BIGGER).

Now me personally i would say that power-lifters by far have the superior strength and also muscle mass, however they also carry a lot more BF than BB as they dont repeat DONT care what their actual bodies look like (no disrespect to them, on the opposite i have a lot of respect for them but they dont need an excellent physique to lift the weights they want and they only care about lifting heavy weights)

So with this i totally back up with the fact that if beginner BB's or even intermediate BB's want to gain mass they should do the sort of training that power lifters do and then when they want to "cut" they should do higher rep ranges e.g the traditional BB training!

Just my opinion any way. :lift::lift::lift:
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Old 27-12-2007, 08:56 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Re: The Only Workout Info You Will Ever Need

as for the Pro's DVDs TBH m8 i always watch them and i dont think they know JACK IMHO on some of the DVDs the way that they train and also when they refer to what its working and where sometimes they are wrong, IMHO the only reason why a lot of these guys gain as much as they do is their genetics and also their gear that they are on (AAS, Slin, HGH etc)

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Old 27-12-2007, 09:56 PM   #35 (permalink)
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bro the article is good...but when its the ultimate word.. i mean not all pros are wrong in the mags or trainin dvds...

who would listen to about building muscle... dennis wolf or some german powerlifter ?

damn, we could write a book ...lol

god bless you bulldozer
If I was purely interested in building asthetic muscle, then I'd go and see Wolf. I'd get his routine, his diet, his lifestyle and his chemical 'supplementation' details.

If I wanted to know how to get strong, I'd go and see a powerlifter. (Who would tell me to do something similar to whats in the article on the first page...)

I understand why BB'ers train the way they do - as they have to look asthetic and yet need to carry the mass which is currently demanded by the judges, and be ripped with huge amounts of striations.

Your average trainee doesn't need to do exercises to develop his striations as odds are he will never be lean enough (i.e. 3% BF...) for them to show.

I understand what both Bully and Simba are saying, and both are correct relative to their backgrounds and perspectives.
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Old 05-01-2008, 06:07 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Re: The Only Workout Info You Will Ever Need

I just wonderd why this guy is being modest. 800lb atg squat? don't think there are many guys who could do that. I also wonder why his squat is better than his deadlift? Because shouldn't deadlift be the heaviest exercise?
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Old 05-01-2008, 06:28 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Old 06-01-2008, 01:27 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Old 06-01-2008, 06:05 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Re: The Only Workout Info You Will Ever Need

Great work by JRX authoring this piece - "in an nutshell springs to mind"

Thanks to Bulldozer for the posting and Cheers to Hacks for directing me to it.

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Old 06-01-2008, 07:30 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Re: The Only Workout Info You Will Ever Need

Well, it is simple and to the point.
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Old 06-01-2008, 08:18 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Re: The Only Workout Info You Will Ever Need

Hi guys,

im very interested in training like a PL but cant help thinking i wont be working some body parts.

i have read every ones comments on this thread, but cant seem to find a good 3/4 day PL routine.

im very keen to try a routine that is best described as a PL routine.

any one care to let me into a 3/4 day workout plan?

I will post up photos and weekly reports

cheers
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Old 09-01-2008, 12:42 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Re: The Only Workout Info You Will Ever Need

great read! and I agree with most of the stuff he says. the title was a bit misleading -too sensationalist to my taste, but the info in the article was actually A+
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that was a superb read,agree with it all
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TBH BB is not about the weight that you lift but how the body looks, too many ppl get wrapped up in the weights that their lifting or weights that other people are lifting but i was on a web site before (cant remember which 1) and Jay Cutler was on it and said obviously he uses high weights, but no where near as high as power lifters and does not care too, he said that too many "wanna be" bodybuilders (his words not mine) worry too much about the weights they are pushing rather than their actual physiques thats why they dont get any where!

You need to use progressive resistance in order to stimulate hypertrophy, you can do this by increasing the weight yes, but also by changing rep times or increasing the ROM.

He even advised that rather than people over weight the bar, that they use a lighter weight PROPERLY and concentrate on their body and the part that they are trying to make better (notice the word better not BIGGER).

Of course they're going to make it bigger they're body builders!

Now me personally i would say that power-lifters by far have the superior strength and also muscle mass, ehe!? however they also carry a lot more BF than BB as they dont repeat DONT care what their actual bodies look like (no disrespect to them, on the opposite i have a lot of respect for them but they dont need an excellent physique to lift the weights they want and they only care about lifting heavy weights)

So your saying Ronnie Coleman had less LBM than Andy Bolton. Pro bb's hold a hell of a lot more muscle than PL's but PL's are alot more neurally efficient.

So with this i totally back up with the fact that if beginner BB's or even intermediate BB's want to gain mass they should do the sort of training that power lifters do and then when they want to "cut" they should do higher rep ranges e.g the traditional BB training!

I say baw bags why change rep schemes when you've found what works for you.

Just my opinion any way. :lift::lift::lift:
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im very interested in training like a PL but cant help thinking i wont be working some body parts.

i have read every ones comments on this thread, but cant seem to find a good 3/4 day PL routine.

im very keen to try a routine that is best described as a PL routine.

any one care to let me into a 3/4 day workout plan?

I will post up photos and weekly reports

cheers
http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/advanced-...g-routine.html

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