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Evening all,

I've been following a carb cycling diet now for a fair while with good success but was wondering on the effect large amounts of fats (Coconut oil, olive oil, fish oil caps) will have on my long term health.

Daily fat intake from olive oil/coconut oil varies from 125g (low carb day) to 80g (high carb day). From fish oil caps it is 7g (low carb day) and 2g (High carb day).

Fats from these sources are good for the body and training, but what about in these quantities? Any long term health issues you have heard about?

I've tried searching but to no avail, so its over to you if you know of anything!

Cheers

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Hahaha I get to post my favorite youtube video again!! hehehe:thumb:

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Fat is only bad for you when mixed with lots of sh1tty refined carbs, or generally high carb diets.

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Agreed, if it's good fats you're consuming the levels you're talking about are fine.

I rarely consume less than 125g of fat per day. Mostly from EVOO, fish oils and almonds.

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OP - read Dr Malcolm Kendrick's book The Great Cholesterol Con. (Cheap on Amazon.)

Well done again Joe - have you read it?

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OP - read Dr Malcolm Kendrick's book The Great Cholesterol Con. (Cheap on Amazon.)

Well done again Joe - have you read it?

Yeah, I've read 'The Great Cholesterol Con' just haven't managed to get round to consuming the small quantity of alcohol he recommends. LOL

Good book, and good scientific reason for me to 'chill the fcuk out' LOL

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Good book, and good scientific reason for me to 'chill the fcuk out' LOL

Yeah I can see that happening REAL soon mate!!!!!:thumb:

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Yeah, I've read 'The Great Cholesterol Con' just haven't managed to get round to consuming the small quantity of alcohol he recommends. LOL

Good book, and good scientific reason for me to 'chill the fcuk out' LOL

Yes - totally convincing evidence that stress, not diet, is the cause of cardio-vascular disease... :beer: (Bit of beneficial alcohol for you...)

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Yeah I can see that happening REAL soon mate!!!!!:thumb:

Because I know you in the real world Murray, you can fcuk off!! LOL

How's that for chilled! :tongue::tongue::tongue::whistling::whistling::whistling:

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Ha ha ha!

You mean this isn't the real world, you have shaken the foundations of my very consciousness Joe!!!!

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Agreed, if it's good fats you're consuming the levels you're talking about are fine.

I rarely consume less than 125g of fat per day. Mostly from EVOO, fish oils and almonds.

While transfats may be inadvisable, it turns out that there's no evidence whatsoever that saturated fats are bad for you, nor do they cause cardio-vascular disease.

Butter, olive oil, mayo and vinaigrettes - MMMMMM!

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While transfats may be inadvisable, it turns out that there's no evidence whatsoever that saturated fats are bad for you, nor do they cause cardio-vascular disease.

Butter, olive oil, mayo and vinaigrettes - MMMMMM!

Are you now living the high fat low carb life Provider?

I am currently working away, and living in hotel at the moment, and my diet is.

Meal 1: 4 Fried Eggs and 3 Bacon at the hotel, and a big swig of fish oil.

Meal 2: Whey Protein with EVOO

Meal 3: 6 Raw Egg (no facility to cook 'em)

Meal 4: As 2

Meal 5: As 3

Meal 6: 100g Peanut Butter

Meal 7: Whey Protein with Flax Oil.

Now that's bodybuilding on a budget:

For 5 days away, it costs me about £7 in eggs, breakfast on the company, about 1kg of whey £16, a big Jar of Natty Peanut Butter £2.60, EVOO about £3, and Flax half price at H&B £5.

Total bill under £30, all good calories. Mind you, can't wait to get out of living in hotels and eat some solid food, but just proof it can be done. Also, if I was on carbs, 1 bag of Oats @ 50p would fill that gap too, still under £30.

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Are you now living the high fat low carb life Provider?...

By current thinking I always have done - farmer's son, me, used to lots of meat, game, fish, cheese, eggs, milk, nuts, olive oil (and vinegar), mayo...

Love fruit, salads and veggies too, though.

I seem to be rudely healthy and fit for my years... :)

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By current thinking I always have done - farmer's son, me, used to lots of meat, game, fish, cheese, eggs, milk, nuts, olive oil (and vinegar), mayo...

Love fruit, salads and veggies too, though.

I seem to be rudely healthy and fit for my years... :)

Mmmmm I wonder why. :confused1::confused1:

Maybe, just maybe it has something to do with your diet.....

You never know...:tongue:

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You two are doing wonders for my diet, that cholesterol vid is interesting (I watched it a while ago one one of the other 2000 threads it's posted on lol) And it turns out that most of my fave foods ARE suitable for a bodybuilding diet. Reps to you both :)

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Are you now living the high fat low carb life Provider?

I am currently working away, and living in hotel at the moment, and my diet is.

Meal 1: 4 Fried Eggs and 3 Bacon at the hotel, and a big swig of fish oil.

Meal 2: Whey Protein with EVOO

Meal 3: 6 Raw Egg (no facility to cook 'em)

Meal 4: As 2

Meal 5: As 3

Meal 6: 100g Peanut Butter

Meal 7: Whey Protein with Flax Oil.

Now that's bodybuilding on a budget:

For 5 days away, it costs me about £7 in eggs, breakfast on the company, about 1kg of whey £16, a big Jar of Natty Peanut Butter £2.60, EVOO about £3, and Flax half price at H&B £5.

Total bill under £30, all good calories. Mind you, can't wait to get out of living in hotels and eat some solid food, but just proof it can be done. Also, if I was on carbs, 1 bag of Oats @ 50p would fill that gap too, still under £30.

joe,

i dont mean to sound like a idiot, but is this a cutting diet??

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joe,

i dont mean to sound like a idiot, but is this a cutting diet??

Oh no no no

It looks like one, but i'm not just adding a tablespoon of oil to shakes, I'm leathering them in fat. Total calories are probably near 4000. It's just hard to eat proper when staying in Hotel all week. Whey is also not just a scoop, more like 60g, hence getting through about a kilo in 5 or 6 days.

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If fat isn't a problem that why does it have to be cottage cheese instead of normal cheese? I'm a novice when it comes to diet and love cheese but haven't been eating it.

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If fat isn't a problem that why does it have to be cottage cheese instead of normal cheese? I'm a novice when it comes to diet and love cheese but haven't been eating it.

Because cheese gives you nightmares. Cmon Everyone knows that!

You can eat cheese if you want, but most good cheese is 50% fat, and 25% protein, so if you want about 40 to 50g protein before bed then you will end up taking in 100g of fat. Not that this is a problem, but that's a whopping 900 calories in fat, and you do need to watch the calories to some extent.

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I've got an addiction to feta cheese, basically ate more then half the pack last night argh.

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OP - read Dr Malcolm Kendrick's book The Great Cholesterol Con. (Cheap on Amazon.)

Well done again Joe - have you read it?

Love this, so ONE doctor out of thousands says it's a con so you believe him? And he sells the book to keep everyone informed, not to be controvertial and make money. :whistling:

Get sick of mentioning the missus but she is a coronary care sister, is she being conned by the countless people who have heart attacks at a young age who's only sysmtoms are high cholesterol?

Just like steroids aren't bad for your health either. Despite her seeing people having heart problems from them . Told a former Mr Britain a while back I was going on steds again and he said, be careful as there is a lot of research coming out now proving the links between steroids and heart disease. One of the biggies is the raising of bad cholesterol by steroids.

REmind me again what Dr Aitken (the ultimate keto preacher) died from again and what age

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Love this, so ONE doctor out of thousands says it's a con so you believe him? And he sells the book to keep everyone informed, not to be controvertial and make money. :whistling:

Get sick of mentioning the missus but she is a coronary care sister, is she being conned by the countless people who have heart attacks at a young age who's only sysmtoms are high cholesterol?

Just like steroids aren't bad for your health either. Despite her seeing people having heart problems from them . Told a former Mr Britain a while back I was going on steds again and he said, be careful as there is a lot of research coming out now proving the links between steroids and heart disease. One of the biggies is the raising of bad cholesterol by steroids.

REmind me again what Dr Aitken (the ultimate keto preacher) died from again and what age

In 2000, Dr. Atkins developed cardiomyopathy, an incurable heart condition which has quite a few different causes. His was thought to be from a viral illness, and his physician stated at the time that there was no evidence that his diet contributed to the condition. His coronary arteries were reported to have been checked at that time and found to be free of blockages.

Cardiomyopathy makes it more likely that a person will have a cardiac arrest (heart stopping), which happened to him two years later. Again, the cardiac arrest was not thought to be diet related. His cardiologist stated that (other than the cardiomyopathy), Atkins had "an extraordinarily healthy cardiovascular system". News report about that incident.

On April 8, 2003, at age 72, Dr. Atkins slipped on the ice while walking to work, hitting his head and causing bleeding around his brain. He lost consciousness on the way to the hospital, where he spent two weeks in intensive care. His body deteriorated rapidly and he suffered massive organ failure. During this time, his body apparently retained an enormous amount of fluid, and his weight at death was recorded at 258 pounds. His death certificate states that the cause of death was "blunt impact injury of head with epidural hematoma".

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I think you will also find that Mr Kenndrick isn't the only doctor jumping on the bandwagon of low carb lifestyles. His book is cheap, and doesn't appeal to a wider audience so why would that be his motive.

I'll tell why the majority of Doctors and the medical industry have got it wrong, and not the other way round. It is because the medical industry is owned by the pharmaceutical industry. Pharemeceutical companies have a vested interest in keeping people unhealthy, and selling drugs like statins. The pharmaceutical companies get their oar in early, by funding student research in universities, and the training of medical staff is based mainly around pharmacology not human anatomy and function. If pharmaceutical companies can invent an illness, and bring out a pill for it, why should doctors make the effort to learn what's really happening, they just write out a prescription and make the pharmacies even richer. That's how it works, and this is why the truth seekers are in the minority, and it's also too late to turn it around. Can you imagine governments declaring that they got it wrong, and no more profit from statin drugs. Also, on a grander scale, it would cause world famine if an animal based diet was advocated, because it takes 6 times more food to feed the animals to feed the humans than it would to just feed the humans the grain.

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Love this, so ONE doctor out of thousands says it's a con so you believe him? And he sells the book to keep everyone informed, not to be controvertial and make money. :whistling:

Get sick of mentioning the missus but she is a coronary care sister, is she being conned by the countless people who have heart attacks at a young age who's only sysmtoms are high cholesterol?

Just like steroids aren't bad for your health either. Despite her seeing people having heart problems from them . Told a former Mr Britain a while back I was going on steds again and he said, be careful as there is a lot of research coming out now proving the links between steroids and heart disease. One of the biggies is the raising of bad cholesterol by steroids.

REmind me again what Dr Aitken (the ultimate keto preacher) died from again and what age

Joe's reply is on the button.

Many current health care workers have been sold demonstrably wrong information - especially in nutrition and CV health. And how could they contradict it without studying the source literature? Or dare to!?

The confounding aspect of Dr Kendrick's book and lectures is that he takes statements of CV specialists and researchers and shows by their own data and trials that they cannot be true, though they adopt all sorts of contortions to make them appear so. But then the statin manufacturers invariably have financed the trials. Kendrick's a well-respected CV specialist himself, and btw he's by no means alone.

He details uncontroversially the mechanism by which atherosclerosis occurs and shows that cholesterol cannot be the cause, but is the body's repair agent. And that reducing cholesterol levels, though it may inhibit the repair mechanism and delay narrowing, actually causes serious debility elsewhere in the body.

There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that raised cholesterol levels themselves cause cardio-vascular disease, and in fact studies show that men with lower cholsterol levels actually have higher and earlier mortality rates.

There's also no direct link between dietary cholesterol and circulatory cholsterol levels. The body's regulatory mechanism even combatting prescribed statins to a degree.

And there's also absolutely no eveidence whatsoever that fat intake and especially saturated fat contribute to cardi-vascular disease.

BTW steroids can cause CV problems because of increased hematocrit, with consequential thrombosis, pulmonary embolism, coronary infarction and stroke.

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Glad i stumbled into this thread.

My old man has a faulty mitral valve which is due for surgery in the coming months, and because his cholesterol was 'high' (GP didn't even provide the ratio :rolleyes:) and popped him on statins for the last year or so now to 'clear up his arteries'. His cholesterol is improved but he's got some of the sides like ongoing muscle pains, lovely.

I've read about some of the statin animosity here and there, along with a lecturer of mine also talking about the research pointing towards refined carbs being the main source of problems, rather than saturated fats.

Unfortunately mother dearest buys into the cholesterol/low fat diet hype and if i were to provide anything on the contrary she would probably fight the statin corner, making it a major stumbling block to get him off them.

Think i'll order him that book for a read :thumbup1:

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By current thinking I always have done - farmer's son, me, used to lots of meat, game, fish, cheese, eggs, milk, nuts, olive oil (and vinegar), mayo...

Love fruit, salads and veggies too, though.

I seem to be rudely healthy and fit for my years... :)

Quite literally living off the fat of the land then .......

Highly sugared drinks and foods combined with high fats = disastrous health consequences.

Sugar is defo the enemy NOT fat.

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Blimey I wasn't expecting such a detailed and in depth response But good work!

Its certainly an interesting read and the video is informative.

I guess my fat intake is not particularly high then compared to others?

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