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Hey guys need some advice i cant decided what to do

which will be a best choice for results and try no to suppress my self too much

got few options

1) 500 sust pharma 12 weeks + last 6 weeks winstrol 100mg a day

2) 500mg sust 12 weeks + 300 mg tren e 10 weeks - my least favorite as ill be shut down for at least 14 weeks before pct

3)ttm every other day ( 240 mg prop 240 mg tren ace 240 mg mast p/w for 8 weeks ) + 4ml of test prop on top for 8 weeks then pct - like the sound of that : in and out and pct

4)600mg prop + 400mg tren ace for 8 weeks, drop prop to 400 mg for another week, last 4 weeks add 100mg winny - like the sound of that : in and out and pct, probably my favorite

5) 12 weeks of sust 500mg + tren ace at 300-400 mg per week starting from 4th + 100 mg winny for last 6 weeks ?

6 ) you suggest ?

p.s sus ive got is Omnadren and my hands have been etching to try it out, meant to be the bollox

my diet is very clean and low carbs and cal

my aim to loose much as possible fat while gaining some muscle and shaping up

training 5 days a week, cardio 4 days a week, 2 days 30 min after work out, 2 days first thing am empty stomach for 30-45 mins

my biggest concern is shutting down, ive just spend 8 months recovering from long deca+test cycle, my level arent 100 % back to normal but they working, test is mid range at 14/27 and fsh and lh are functioning and responding, dont want to wait any more lol but same time dont want to completly shut myself down

so was thinking of running hcg/clomid on cycle ? worth doing it ?

my favorite option is number 4 with 1000ui hcg per week from week two, then 3 days after last prop jab start clomid plus tamoxifen

also would there be any point running clomid on cycle with hcg as hcg suppress your lh ? or just run clomind on cycle ?

as i said im looking for happy medium good gains + not too much suppression

Any input would be more then welcome

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cheers mate for reply

had this omnadren in my draw for 8 months and been dying to pin it lol

so number 5 for gains ok, what about trying to not supress your lh that much on cycle ?

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find your optimum dose for HCG and hope for the best, thats why i B&C. No recovery issues and it works our way cheaper.

As your cycles become more powerful and intense so should your PCT to match and PCT meds are WAY less cost effective then AAS but essential if you don't B&C

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did b&c for 10 months, never again, hard recovery after, my pituitary gland did not want to respond for like 6 months, was not fun

done power pct and nothing, so waited it out and it just started to respond

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Any other opinions ? Specially interested in trying to maintain lh and fsh

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any one lol ? no ?

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If you are concerned about shutdown I would just do option 1. The omnadren stuff is very good and lot can be done on 500mg of test

There's nothing you can do for lh while on cycle, clomid won't help but it apparently can help fsh.

If you run 1000iu hcg pw and hit the clomid and Nolva once the gear is cleared there shouldn't be too many issues.

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Hey guys need some advice i cant decided what to do

which will be a best choice for results and try no to suppress my self too much

got few options

1) 500 sust pharma 12 weeks + last 6 weeks winstrol 100mg a day

2) 500mg sust 12 weeks + 300 mg tren e 10 weeks - my least favorite as ill be shut down for at least 14 weeks before pct

3)ttm every other day ( 240 mg prop 240 mg tren ace 240 mg mast p/w for 8 weeks ) + 4ml of test prop on top for 8 weeks then pct - like the sound of that : in and out and pct

4)600mg prop + 400mg tren ace for 8 weeks, drop prop to 400 mg for another week, last 4 weeks add 100mg winny - like the sound of that : in and out and pct, probably my favorite

5) 12 weeks of sust 500mg + tren ace at 300-400 mg per week starting from 4th + 100 mg winny for last 6 weeks ?

6 ) you suggest ?

p.s sus ive got is Omnadren and my hands have been etching to try it out, meant to be the bollox

my diet is very clean and low carbs and cal

my aim to loose much as possible fat while gaining some muscle and shaping up

training 5 days a week, cardio 4 days a week, 2 days 30 min after work out, 2 days first thing am empty stomach for 30-45 mins

my biggest concern is shutting down, ive just spend 8 months recovering from long deca+test cycle, my level arent 100 % back to normal but they working, test is mid range at 14/27 and fsh and lh are functioning and responding, dont want to wait any more lol but same time dont want to completly shut myself down

so was thinking of running hcg/clomid on cycle ? worth doing it ?

my favorite option is number 4 with 1000ui hcg per week from week two, then 3 days after last prop jab start clomid plus tamoxifen

also would there be any point running clomid on cycle with hcg as hcg suppress your lh ? or just run clomind on cycle ?

as i said im looking for happy medium good gains + not too much suppression

Any input would be more then welcome

i have heard of folk using clomid when on cycle to aid recovery but never seen and real back up to prove it, if you dont want to have a rough recovery dont use tren imo mate, test mast tbol or similar with hcg would be a safer bet

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ok thanks guys, i will reconsider it :S

i hate recovery time

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did b&c for 10 months, never again, hard recovery after, my pituitary gland did not want to respond for like 6 months, was not fun

done power pct and nothing, so waited it out and it just started to respond

Did you Hcg throughout?

I was thinking of doing this myself through to next summer

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Did you Hcg throughout?

I was thinking of doing this myself through to next summer

yep i did mate, and will never do so again

short cycles in and out, fast acting or ten weeks the most, wont touch deca again ... hated the shut down

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you better of doing 8 weeks fast acting, quick recovery + time off and then back on, and so on

but what do i know ? do what you think is best, what works for me may or will not work for others

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yep i did mate, and will never do so again

short cycles in and out, fast acting or ten weeks the most, wont touch deca again ... hated the shut down

Thats possibly why then because of the deca?

I remember years ago when i didnt know anything i took sust and deca but only for 6 weeks (didnt get on with the pinning) and just decided to stop, i felt it really messed me up in such a short amount of time. I had no pct though i just come off. Been reading alot and put that down to the deca and wont touch it again myself. Took months for me to recover and gave up training because of it.

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Thats possibly why then because of the deca?

I remember years ago when i didnt know anything i took sust and deca but only for 6 weeks (didnt get on with the pinning) and just decided to stop, i felt it really messed me up in such a short amount of time. I had no pct though i just come off. Been reading alot and put that down to the deca and wont touch it again myself. Took months for me to recover and gave up training because of it.

yeah deca is a nasty one lol stay away even with pct and that shut down is just not worth it, mast or eq or var ot tbol with test still get good results and wont feel as **** lol

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Have you run tren before? as the side effects in some people can be pretty brutal.

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Have you run tren before? as the side effects in some people can be pretty brutal.

i did, and i did 400 tren and 750 test and then up it to 1g of test and sides got even worse

so this time around i was thinking of running 1:2 tren/test

go with 240 test and 480 tren :P

infact im going to do it and see how it goes, if i cant handle i drop it as its prop and ace and will be alright in few days but will know for defo that tren is a nono, all i know sofar 2:1 test/tren made me fell rubbish, felt sick and bloated etc awful and it was tren e and sust lol

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Tren A is a sensible way to go and with a 2-1 ratio of test/ tren maybe try aromasin to keep the sides of test down too. Just be safe mate.

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was going to run adex 1mg e3d and caber 0.5 once a week maybe twice

got a lot of it left from ages ago haha

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Fair enough I'm just a big fan of aromasin as it works very well for me and going back to your cycles I'd go with 4 :)

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Fair enough I'm just a big fan of aromasin as it works very well for me and going back to your cycles I'd go with 4 :)

neither of my sources have aromasin, plus the dosing its a bit headache to work out, with adex you just neck one tab every 3 days and done

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