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Pmag + Elite Tren - first cycle?

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Hi there,

I'm going to be starting my 6 week Pmag cycle (75,75,75,75,75,75) come Monday (been pre-cycling hawthorn & NAC for 2 weeks)

I am going for a lean bulk rather than sheer size, so I have purchased a bottle of Elite Tren which I intend to run 40,40,40,40.

I have read mixed reviews about Elite Tren regarding sides and gains, could anyone please give me some sort of confirmation to what gains (type of gains & weight gains) as well as common expected sides whilst running the two together.

I will be using Nolva 20,20,10,10 PCT.

Any experiences or advise appreciated as always.

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I had thought about running the Tren at a lower does to start with to test the water - 0/0/20/30/40/40 does 20mg sound too low?

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Ideally P-Mag would be a solo first cycle, but if everything's in place, you shouldn't have a problem with adding the Tren.

Elite's a solid brand, though Trenavar clones get mixed reviews, especially with dosage. People seem to be running at 40-60mg recently, but as a first cycle I would keep it reasonable, maybe 30mg for 30 days if you have one bottle and see how you feel.

I prefer Epi/Tren as it's much drier and possibly a better first cycle, but that's just imo. P-Mag can be slightly wetter but it's still reasonably mild for a ph. You could always add stano or an AI on cycle if you wanted.

You should get some decent size gains from this, how much depends on you really.

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Ideally P-Mag would be a solo first cycle, but if everything's in place, you shouldn't have a problem with adding the Tren.

Elite's a solid brand, though Trenavar clones get mixed reviews, especially with dosage. People seem to be running at 40-60mg recently, but as a first cycle I would keep it reasonable, maybe 30mg for 30 days if you have one bottle and see how you feel.

I prefer Epi/Tren as it's much drier and possibly a better first cycle, but that's just imo. P-Mag can be slightly wetter but it's still reasonably mild for a ph. You could always add stano or an AI on cycle if you wanted.

You should get some decent size gains from this, how much depends on you really.

Thank's for that mate - I did look at several PH's for the cycle. I picked Pmag as I originally intended to bulk - but with a natural gain in weight (fat and muscle) I've decided to try and get something which will help me strip of a few % of body fat as well as add a few more muscle LBs.

Basically I have a few bottles of Pmag which go out of date shortly so I want to use them this cycle. What can I add to help reduce bodyfat whilst lean bulking?

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I had look at DNP - not keen on running it for a first cycle though ;)

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Every different cycle is a first cycle :-)

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Keeping ur bf low on a lean bulk..humm u kind have already said it. included some cardio and tighten ur diet mate. its really not that hard to do. use the mirror instead of worrying about weight gain. if u think ur gain bf than adjust ur diet accordenly. not 100% but does tren ph effect t3 production. am sure tren ace does and the use of t3 helps greatly. look it up chap .

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Thank's for that mate - I did look at several PH's for the cycle. I picked Pmag as I originally intended to bulk - but with a natural gain in weight (fat and muscle) I've decided to try and get something which will help me strip of a few % of body fat as well as add a few more muscle LBs.

Basically I have a few bottles of Pmag which go out of date shortly so I want to use them this cycle. What can I add to help reduce bodyfat whilst lean bulking?

If you need to use the P-mag, you could just add some tren if you're looking to stack and keep the diet lean, then add some suggested fat burners into/after pct. It's tough as a lot of people up the carbs on cycle to help gains but inevitably you add some weight/fat. It's a compromise so diet like you're lean bulking and you should be OK. I wouldn't expect to strip any BF% during though. You'd just be best off using Epi or Epi/tren/keto etc... for maintenance whilst cutting down.

Good luck!

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If you need to use the P-mag, you could just add some tren if you're looking to stack and keep the diet lean, then add some suggested fat burners into/after pct. It's tough as a lot of people up the carbs on cycle to help gains but inevitably you add some weight/fat. It's a compromise so diet like you're lean bulking and you should be OK. I wouldn't expect to strip any BF% during though. You'd just be best off using Epi or Epi/tren/keto etc... for maintenance whilst cutting down.

Good luck!

Cheers mate - I actually bought some Elite tren from your about a week ago & have shredabulls & Xedra SFs (morning / night)

I am keeping a log if your interested: http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/member-journals-pictures/225202-jays-journal.html (if adding this link breaks the rules, please remove it)

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Keeping ur bf low on a lean bulk..humm u kind have already said it. included some cardio and tighten ur diet mate. its really not that hard to do. use the mirror instead of worrying about weight gain. if u think ur gain bf than adjust ur diet accordenly. not 100% but does tren ph effect t3 production. am sure tren ace does and the use of t3 helps greatly. look it up chap .

Yeah, I have really cleaned up my diet, however my first week is gonna be pretty low cal (on day 4 today) currently taking around 1800cals/day. The tren I'm taking converts to trenbolone (Elite Tren).

Added some HIIT into my routine, football once a week, insanity workout one a week & some rowing machine.

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JW recently wrote an article about something like this (lean bulking/gaining muscle whilst losing fat).

Will find the link for you...

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