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Hi all I have suffered from low testosterone for years and im on a prescription called Tostran Gel the trouble is because it is a gel, messy and takes time to soak into the skin I rarely use it, I was wondering what other medication options would be available to me and if they are better than the gel, at the time I was told that the gel was best because it keeps your body at a constant TT level as long as you take it daily, I was told that injections would send me into mood swings due to only taking monthly injections so the TT level rises after injection and then drops until next injection.

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anyone ?

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Well i would much rather inject once a month than apply the gel ED

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Yes mate there's nebido injection, which is a long acting testosterone which is used only four times per year for stable blood levels, I'm on it myself but every 8 weeks and quite like it, it may take a few injections to feel the full effect.

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as already stated you can ask to switch to nebido injections, tbh you should not get any 'mood swings' on injections once the interval is right , i found tostran absorbs alot quicker if you mix it with some pure aloe vera gel (rub the tostran in then bang that on top right away) , by using the gel 'on and off' you will not be doing yourself any favours as your body wont know wtf is going on :)

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Yes mate there's nebido injection, which is a long acting testosterone which is used only four times per year for stable blood levels, I'm on it myself but every 8 weeks and quite like it, it may take a few injections to feel the full effect.

Hi Haza,

Do you do the injections yourself or get a GP/endo to do it?

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Hi Haza,

Do you do the injections yourself or get a GP/endo to do it?

Hi mate, I go to my gp practice every 8 weeks and the nurse there does the injection for me, plus i get bloods taken before every injection to, hope that helps.

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self precribe yourself sustanon lol

Is this a good TTR treatment, also how would I know how much dosage to take ?

as already stated you can ask to switch to nebido injections, tbh you should not get any 'mood swings' on injections once the interval is right , i found tostran absorbs alot quicker if you mix it with some pure aloe vera gel (rub the tostran in then bang that on top right away) , by using the gel 'on and off' you will not be doing yourself any favours as your body wont know wtf is going on :)

Did you switch to nebido injections and if so do you prefer them to the gel or see any benefits over the gel ?

Hi mate, I go to my gp practice every 8 weeks and the nurse there does the injection for me, plus i get bloods taken before every injection to, hope that helps.

Cheers Haza, are the nebido injections the only TTR you have tried ?

Also does nebido injections benefit you when bodybuilding ?

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yes i started on tostran gel then switched over to nebido (over a 3 month period the gel gave eczema ,i presume from the alcohol in it ) , the gels work alot faster than injections and seem to affect the sex drive quicker , my nebido shots are still being monitored and changed (recently gone from 12 to 8 weeks) , like haza a nurse at my GP's does them (sticking 4ml into my ass on my own does not appeal to me :P ) ,

you know when the shot is running out as you get a return of the old symptoms -nebido is very slow acting and it takes a few shots to get your blood lvls up -as its shot interval is 8-12 weeks it takes a long time to get the lvls right tho to me its less hassle then the gel.

if you already have a dx of low test and get medication there should be no need for you to self medicate , there are many things that need to be monitored on TRT and you need an endo /uro on your side to work with you , if you are not happy with the one you have then simply change them, some are alot better than others in the NHS , unfortunately the good ones are far and few in the UK.

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I currently just have a monthly repeat prescription of tostran, I don't have any reviews at the docs or any blood's taken to monitor my level, should I be going to my gp and asking to see a specialist then?

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I cycle 2 weeks test/boldone/ then 2 weeks 2xtestogel/day and use proviron mon-fri it seems to be working nicely.

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I cycle 2 weeks test/boldone/ then 2 weeks 2xtestogel/day and use proviron mon-fri it seems to be working nicely.

Is this better than nabido

With self TRT sustanon I'd just do 1ml every 10 days

Does sustanon not course peaks and trophs not a constant level

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I currently just have a monthly repeat prescription of tostran, I don't have any reviews at the docs or any blood's taken to monitor my level, should I be going to my gp and asking to see a specialist then?

how have to managed to get a tostran script without a dx or being monitored /seen by an endo /uro?????

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With self TRT sustanon I'd just do 1ml every 10 days

not very good advise :whistling: , 1ml of sust what? 100/250/300??? depends what strength he gets as to how much he would need to inject :tongue:

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how have to managed to get a tostran script without a dx or being monitored /seen by an endo /uro?????

Me and my partner had problems conceiving it took over 6 years I'm the end and during all the tests we went through they found that I had low TT levels so they put me on tostran, and I've been on it since which is about two and half years.

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Me and my partner had problems conceiving it took over 6 years I'm the end and during all the tests we went through they found that I had low TT levels so they put me on tostran, and I've been on it since which is about two and half years.

tbh im now baffled by this, afaik any external testosterone source will actually make sperm production worse or halt it altogether , why a doc would prescribe it for fertility i dont understand (ive been on hrt for about a yr now and have azoospermia (no sperm at all, which basically mean infertile).

you really need to get a second opinion from an endo/uro who knows what they are doing.

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I had same, me and fiancee couldnt conceive for over 3 years but I firmly believed it was me with the problem due to the low testosterone, went on Testogel and bang was on it like 1 month and I now have the twin girls.Thats the riddle of it all, Testosterone is important for sperm production as well.

Whats even more strange is im not sure I have been shutdown even now after 1 year of trt and switching to injections + my own. If Testicle size is anything to go by it did once go small but since then has come back to full size and stayed there.

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strange, everything i can find points to external test shutting down sperm production (the male pill they are trying to create is steriod based afaik) , tho im obviously missing something somewhere as both of you are proof test is needed for sperm production (tho to what degree i have no idea, again maybe everyone is affected differently) , it also brings other questions for myself that i'll have to bring up with the endo.

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Yes, when we was having tests when we was trying to conceive they noticed I had Los TT levels so they put me on tostran and then the Mississippi got pregnant shortly after, so are you saying TTR therapy lowers your sperm count?

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as far a knew TRT replacement lowers sperm count not makes it higher , tho after reading about you and vigi im not so sure now :P , you can search google for 'low sperm count and testosterone therapy' and get hundreds of hits , this is a copy paste from another forum and is what i understood to be right , it also explains why hcg is used , if anyone with a better knowledge knows more (there must be someone) it would be interesting to hear your views / explaination.

, tho it obviously cant be right if both of you got your wives /girlfriends pregnant while on trt (or you had not been taking the TRT long enough to shut you down completely at the time of conception?

'If only testosterone is used in replacement therapy, a person does run the risk of causing atrophy of the testes and reduction in sperm production. This is because with the higher testosterone levels, the brain does not need to produce luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) to increase testosterone production. The lower follicle stimulating hormone levels also reduce sperm production. If a person wants to have optimum fertility, while on testosterone replacement therapy, then it is important to supplement testosterone treatment with human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) treatment. HCG behaves in the human body like LH and FSH. It will keep the testes from atrophy, and maintain sperm production.'

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Maybe its when its taken when its not needed? ie the body builder who already has a decent test level? My endo did confirm at an appointment that testosterone was important for sperm production. I also left my gp practice with egg on their faces over it, they battled with me for like 1 year saying testosterone wouldnt make a difference. :) the only other assumption is initially the gels topped up the natural testosterone.

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Cheers guys, this is all new and very interesting, so I am going to make an appointment with my local GP and ask them to make me an appointment with a specialist (what are specialists in this field called) I will also ask about HCG, will HCG increase my sperm count ?

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Maybe its when its taken when its not needed? ie the body builder who already has a decent test level? My endo did confirm at an appointment that testosterone was important for sperm production. I also left my gp practice with egg on their faces over it, they battled with me for like 1 year saying testosterone wouldnt make a difference. :) the only other assumption is initially the gels topped up the natural testosterone.

im not a body builder and my test lvls are low enough that i get it prescribed by the NHS , as i said you can google 'testosterone replacement therapy and low sperm count' and get hundred (if not thousands) of hits , have either of you had a sperm count done lately? or just the one before they gave you TRT?

i had mine done only a few weeks ago and am basically infertile (as i said this also bring more questions for me as it makes me think that i was either infertile for some other medical reason to start with or had a very low count before starting TRT , i have no children to date but have never really tried for them either).

yes red my endo has told me that both HCG and clomid are used to increase male fertility (you can also find this info via the net)

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