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Considering using insulin this course..really wanna nail it this time. Gonna be using clen and t3 so not to bothered about the potential for gaining 'bad' weight..started eating right for first time in years anyhow so should not be too much of an issue...opinions?

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Have used a few times with good results, personally wouldnt use without HGH. Also you need to be spot on with your diet, eg sufficient carbs, timing etc. My suggestion would be plenty of reading in the muscle research section first.

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I don't think you understand- even if you eat right, excess calories are excess calories; no one who knows what they're doing would run 'slin without GH, as you are missing out on one of the biggest benefits- increase of GH receptors by 'slin.

Also, for every i.u of 'slin you need 10g of carbs. Generally people take 6-10 i.u 2-3 times per day (usually with breakfast, optional lunch, and post workout). now if doing 10iu twice per day, thats an extra 200g of carbs (not to mention 50g of whey with each shot) and 2x50g of protein for a total of an extra 1200cals per day...

now, 1lb of muscle is roughly 450g, and muscle is 30% protein (rest is water); so 135g of protein or 540cals of protein per pound.

OK above maintenance, you're already getting 100g of extra protein (whey, and assuming 50g with each insulin shot, twice per day); now in a week, thats an extra 700g of protein and you only need 135g extra a week to build a pound of muscle; you're consuming 5x more protein than you need... or maybe enough for 5lbs per week.. and you certainly have the extra carbs to fuel intense workouts..

Will your workouts burn the extra 800cals per day (carbs) that you take 'coz of the slin shots? thats 5600 cals a week; and the extra 2260cals per week from the protein (taking into account the 135g/540 cals in the one pound of muscle you've built)? if not... the extra goes to fat..

Now you will say but on AAS I will build more than 2lb per week; I would say, that would mean 24lb of muscle in 12 weeks? I don't think so.. if only it where possible.. 1lb per week is what you get WITH AAS...(after water retention gone).

OK.. if you dont want to get REALLY fat..take account that the insulin shots (10iu, twice per day) are going to require 1800 cals per day; and subtract that from your maintenance, then add back in an extra 540 cals for your 1lb per week.. and you shouldn't blow out..

Going to take t3 & clen.. fine... just remember, they will lift metabolism 5-10%; and you are committing 1800 to taking care of your insulin carb/protein requirements.. and you need to eat the rest of the day too...

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clen, t3 AND insulin ?

if your insulin sensitivity isnt good and diet top notch I think you'll still gain fat.

that said properly implemented slin is almost magical :)

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mixed feedback on this then...

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mixed feedback on this then...

Not mixed at all.

Insulin can store cals in muscle (ie drive amino and glucose into muscle cells) or fat (i.e make fat cells bigger).

If you KNOW your BMR calores, and you plan 10g of carbs per i.u, and 35-50g whey per shot as well; you can adjust your calories to not get to fat..

The point is, you're not making the most of it if you don't take GH. Also, T3 (or T4 with GH) isn't optional, its essential, as is AAS. The AAS retains aminos better, the thryoid med INCREASES protein synthesis (and turn over rate) and the insulin drives the aminos and glucose into the muscle... and GH helps burn the cals (and works better as the insulin increases the GH receptors while its active..)

The clen may increase your metabolism by 3% by itself; it won't on its own save you from being fat.. you need to adjsut your overall cals to do this..

or... this is interesting:

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/rea/big-fat-bastards-and-insulin.htm

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We're all singing from the same hymn sheet just not wanting to reword a well writen and concise post my ausbuilt. The piont is steroids and HGH is easy, just do more !, and your bodies current state of function wouldn't preclude use. Insulin is really hard to get 'on the money with' requires alot of reading and a fundamental understanding of if mode of action.

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Thanks guys great advice as ever. Think will give it a go and monitor weight correctly . Sorry for my novice questions but all new too me. Cheers

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Monitor your fasting BG levels rather than weight, once the BG reading dips its probably time to ease off or stop the insulin. Weight gain from insulin can be just water/carbs.

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all i want to do is substantialy increase strength this summer, and thereby size i guess..not a bodybuilder, walk around at 20st give or take, fairly strong, have been this weight for yars.actually, used to weigh much more haha.....

gonna combine the 'slin with oxy, sus30, tren e for first 5 weeks and tren e and test 400 for next 5 weeks, wil be taking clen and t3/t4 for laast 6 weeks of cycle,,

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if you anything other than a total ecto i would stay away from insulin imo....fat gains can come to easily,like said above really hard to get it exact.

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Reading this, you really don't need the insulin mate.....risk/gain ratio's are not good and not worth it. The way your thinking of mixing compounds tells me your ready for a serious few hypos...like Ausbuild articulates (and very well) is that insulin use HAS to be done properly or you'll end up fat or in a coma.

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Sweet...advice noted and taken...no insulin...will keep you posted how cycle goes

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guy in my gym gained about 6 stone of belly on slin.

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Sweet...advice noted and taken...no insulin...will keep you posted how cycle goes

coma is unlikely- you just have some dextrose lollies/glass of orange juice... or even a normal coke..

but it does take a lot of calorie juggling and meal planning and other strategies not to get fat- and expense of using HGH

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