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Epi + Tren Cycle - Few Q's plus Iron Labs question

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Hey

So decided on doing an Epi + Tren Cycle (looking like X-Tren at the moment)

I have done Hdrol - Var and Test before - out of the 3 i Loved Var but Hdrol was so hasstle free with great results so im gonna try this.

reasons Epi + Tren - Im cutting, I have high natural estrogen so want to lower my est and up my test with the Epi and then hopefully the Tren will really fuel the lean muscle gains.

I think ill do a 6 week course

Epi 20/20/20/20/20/20

Tren 0/0/60/60/60/60

questions as below:

Which is the best Tren PH to use? I keep finding ones that are out of stock??

Is tren bad for gyno? Have heard it is?...

Whats with Iron Labs? saw them around but they all seem to be out of stock and stuff now, there clones look really good cost wise so is there somewhere decent to get ahold or have they been closed down?

p.s. im going to be using a decent diet on these as i know that is what drives success.

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Tren -LV form Primordial Performance is highly rated!

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Sweet cheers man, i found some tab form from Stelth Labz with decent reviews for half the price aswell! 35mg tabs so can do 70mg or 4ish weeks =] gonna pick up the Epi today and get cracking with that I think!

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bump, anyone have any input?

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I think epi at 20mg ED is very mild dose, you should be aiming towards 40-50mg ED to get the most out of the cycle. Have heard of people running epi at 100mg ED before with great results. Good luck with the cycle

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I think epi at 20mg ED is very mild dose, you should be aiming towards 40-50mg ED to get the most out of the cycle. Have heard of people running epi at 100mg ED before with great results. Good luck with the cycle

Might do 40mg for 6 weeks then!

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Mate i did a tren and epi 6 week cycle followed by a 4 week nolva pct. Over a month later I have developed prolactin gyno due to the tren ( I did an epi cycle before with no problems). The tren shut me down REAL hard, I would never do it again. However of course everyone reacts differently and you may have no problems at all. I have some cabaser on order which should hopefully sort the gyno out. I would advise to get some to have on hand during cycle if you do the tren and develop gyno issues, wish I had but the previous Epi cycle lured me into a sense of security!

With regards to the epi I would do 40mgs a week for 6.

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Might do 40mg for 6 weeks then!

Just be careful with the old ticker and get your BP checked if you're running a highish dose.

All the best,

Lee.

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no offence but this looks like a bizzare course based on some dodgy pseudo science and i definately wouldnt advise tren for a newbie. Also from what i understood tren doesnt aromatise so wont cause gyno

never quite sure if guys really understand the mechanism by which AAS work when they choose gear based upon making a few lean gains ...its the equivalent of going out on the town and drinking shandy beacuse you only want to get a little bit p!ssed

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Tren will cause prolactin gyno.

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Hmm im having second thoughts on the tren then, iv started the epi at 40mg, while taking celary seed for the BP and Liv 52 and Milk Thistle for the Liver/tox,

I had pubertal gyno as a kid, and recently i did a sus course, on which i took 20mg nolva ed, even then i still experiences some tingling etc so had to up it to 40mg some days! ended up lowering to 20mg!

think im just gonna do the Epi at 40MG for the 6 weeks and see how that goes, then i might run var before the summer, or maybe hdrol.

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Hmm im having second thoughts on the tren then, iv started the epi at 40mg, while taking celary seed for the BP and Liv 52 and Milk Thistle for the Liver/tox,

I had pubertal gyno as a kid, and recently i did a sus course, on which i took 20mg nolva ed, even then i still experiences some tingling etc so had to up it to 40mg some days! ended up lowering to 20mg!

think im just gonna do the Epi at 40MG for the 6 weeks and see how that goes, then i might run var before the summer, or maybe hdrol.

had a look thru your pics mate and u have made some great progress and really changed your physique, but i would reassess what your goals are and what your trying to achieve with the gear your taking ...it seems a little ill informed and could lead to a lot of wasted time and further problems

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had a look thru your pics mate and u have made some great progress and really changed your physique, but i would reassess what your goals are and what your trying to achieve with the gear your taking ...it seems a little ill informed and could lead to a lot of wasted time and further problems

Thanks Pal!

my goals are gain and retain lean muscle while i drop the last of my leg and belly fat, which is why i chose Epi, wanted to try it due to the anti estro effects mainly aswell as the muscle gains, Im wanting to diet so hoping this will help me keep muscle and lose fat, which iv been doing for ages but slowley, packed on a lot of muscle last year, its just the belly fat thats annoying me, want a physique like yours really

Gonna really try and stick to the diet next 3 months (comp one from a friend who competes) and see how it goes. was adding in the tren as I thought might be nice to add some more muscle on aswell but suppose I was being a bit silly!

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tren is a good drug and doesnt aromatise so great for lean gains and strength increases but its very hard mentally to take ........ most of the weaker steroids such as var, primo, mast dont give good gains in my opinion but do allow you to hold onto muscle on a strict diet ..... if your looking to gain more mass the slow acting tests are the best route but can carry the risk of aromatising to estrogens .......... i would opt for something like arimadex over nolva if you are having gyno problems as nolva doesnt eliminate estrogen it only blocks the receptors ...... nolva will also reduce the effects of gear as it competes with the androgens for the same receptor sites

good luck anyway and congrats on an impressive change in your physique

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Thanks for the advice Shaun, Ill see how this epi goes with the dieting and keep on going, Cheers!

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tren is a good drug and doesnt aromatise so great for lean gains and strength increases but its very hard mentally to take ........ most of the weaker steroids such as var, primo, mast dont give good gains in my opinion but do allow you to hold onto muscle on a strict diet ..... if your looking to gain more mass the slow acting tests are the best route but can carry the risk of aromatising to estrogens .......... i would opt for something like arimadex over nolva if you are having gyno problems as nolva doesnt eliminate estrogen it only blocks the receptors ...... nolva will also reduce the effects of gear as it competes with the androgens for the same receptor sites

good luck anyway and congrats on an impressive change in your physique

I'm not looking to do any of this stuff but posts like this are the reason I keep coming back.

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