Vitamin B12 - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

DB · 30-06-2005, 12:14 PM

I was chattin to a geezer at my gym yesterday (big guy 21 stone national level BB) and i was talkin to him about struggling to eat in this heat..he recommened i take some oral B12 to increse my appitite....

now i have heard b4 about B12 but heard mixed reviews

some say the oral is pointless and the injection is much better but to be honest i cant be ****d to inject a bloody vitamin..

so what are people opinions on it??

whats the standard oral dose??

cheers for comments :beer1:

**robdog** · 30-06-2005, 03:13 PM

Mate im bangining the inj B12 in me and it aint all that TBH.

DB · 30-06-2005, 04:06 PM

damn... any more experiences?

**hackskii** · 30-06-2005, 04:32 PM

What a coincidence, I just ordered some just now then I see this thread.
It is sub-Q so injection is not anything.
I just bought from a place in the States and it is a Vitamin B12 30ML @ 1000MCG/ ML

The reason I am buying it is for fat loss. I remember that people in the Lindora dieting plan (20 years ago) went low carb and took B-12 injections to aid in fat loss while in ketosis.
I thought what the heck, why not?......I try everything anyway.

I have heard that it is good for getting hunger but then again water and supplements will do this too.

Read me from the site:
Vitamin B12 is necessary for the formation of blood corpuscles, nerve sheaths and various proteins. It is also involved in fat and carbohydrate metabolism and is essential for growth. Adenosylcobalamin is the coenzyme for isomerization of 1-methylmalonyl coenzyme A to succinyl Co A (an important reaction in lipid and carbohydrate metabolism) and in ribonucleotide reduction (which provides building blocks for DNA synthesis). Reactions involving methylcobalamin include biosynthesis of methionine, methane and acetate. There is evidence that vitamin B12 is required in the synthesis of folate polyglutamates (active coenzymes required in the formation of nerve tissue) and in the regeneration of folic acid during red blood cell formation.

Anybody else tried this with any luck?

DB · 30-06-2005, 04:34 PM

great minds think alike hacks... i'll share my views with u..i'll have mine in the morning

**hackskii** · 30-06-2005, 04:38 PM

Remember mine is injectable Sub-Q.

I already have tried the orals and I actually have the Sub-lingual ones too.

I think it was Miami that said he used B-12 for hunger, if my geriatric memory serves me correctly.
I think Paul G. and Big Pete have both used them along with RobDog.

Hey brilliant mind DB, keep us posted.

Bummer, found out that it takes only 2-3 days shipping and what sucks is I am going to the river for 5 days and I have a feeling that package will sit on my pourch for days out for someone to nab :rage:

Tuna_boi · 30-06-2005, 04:46 PM

There were a few guys back in my old gym that would inject each other with B12 after training.Smells quite nice.

Jock · 30-06-2005, 08:53 PM

I have heard mixed reviews about this stuff, I was considering it after my bout of glandular fever (increases appetite and red-blood cell count). Some people have said it is sh1t and others say it is great.

Hasn't Paul used it in the past?

DB · 30-06-2005, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jock

I have heard mixed reviews about this stuff, I was considering it after my bout of glandular fever (increases appetite and red-blood cell count). Some people have said it is sh1t and others say it is great.

Hasn't Paul used it in the past?

i asked him on msn and he couldnt remeber how much he used and if it as god or not lmao!

dirtride · 30-06-2005, 10:19 PM

Yeah DB,, I too have used the B12 sub q injectable.. forsure increased my appetite..

Shawn

Stu · 30-06-2005, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DB

I was chattin to a geezer at my gym yesterday (big guy 21 stone national level BB) and i was talkin to him about struggling to eat in this heat..he recommened i take some oral B12 to increse my appitite....

now i have heard b4 about B12 but heard mixed reviews

some say the oral is pointless and the injection is much better but to be honest i cant be ****d to inject a bloody vitamin..

so what are people opinions on it??

whats the standard oral dose??

cheers for comments :beer1:

a bit of info on the injectable:

Quote:

Injectable Vitamin B-12 FAQ

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Q. Does supplementing with non-injectable B-12 give you the same effects?

A. To simply answer this question, the answer is no. Your GI tract will destroy more than 90% of vitamin b-12 when you take it orally. When you inject gets absorbed differently.

Q. Is injectable B-12 legal?

A. You may buy it over the net legally, but it is difficult to walk into a pharmacy and pick it up. Here, in North America it is legal. It is also easy to get in Canada

Q. What benefits do I have when taking B-12?

A. Vitamin B-12 is known to increase RBC (red blood cells.) It is also known to dramatically increase appetite and energy. Some people may not notice the appetite affects as well as others.

Q. Who should use B-12?

A. Anyone can use B-12. But with Injectables I would advise someone be 18 years of age or older. But of course, 21 years of age or older when using other substances such as steroids

Q. Where is B-12 found?

A. B-12 is found in virtually everything you consume on a daily basis. The B-12 in the food you consume is not equivalent to the B-12 you would inject, the food you consume is smaller than the injects.

Q. How many Cubic Centimeters (CC’s) should I take weekly?

A. Any amount you desire. No more than 7cc’s (7,000mcgs) a week. Some people take ½ cc or 1cc a week some take 5-7. Try to do two weeks on, than two weeks off, and so on.

Q. If I went nuts with vet grade everyday or every other day, can I get the same results?

A. Yes. You will see the same results. If you go “nuts” and take over 7,000mcgs a week than it would be a waste

Q. Can you overdose on B-12 if it’s water-soluble?

A. No.

Q. how quickly will one notice the energy and appetite?

A. The energy may show up three days to a week. The appetite will show up about the second week, but of course, this depends on the person.

Q. For someone just using injectable b-12, can any sort of increased muscle mass/strength be expected?

A. I have been using it for a while now. I have noticed a little bit of mass, but it is probably from the increase in appetite. Strength is not any higher, nor is it lower. There are no studies stating increased strength/mass

Q. What’s the deal with 2 weeks on/2 weeks off? Does B12 really need to be cycled, and why?

A. The reason for cycling b-12 is because the effects wear off after awhile from desensitization. You don't need to cycle, but I would recommend it

Q. Does it hurt?

A. No, not compared to anything else you can inject. Of course it all depends on your pain threshold too

Q. Where do you buy it from? I'm having trouble searching for the Injectables and all I'm finding are the orals.

A. You can get it at *********for about ten bucks for a 250ml bottle. (Search for B-12 or Cyanocobalamin)

Q. Can you stack? Is there a problem with taking it while on a cycle?

A. There is no problem "stacking" it just make sure to try to cycle on and off every two weeks

Q. B12 can be injected with slin pins, correct?

A. Yes

Author unknown, Thanks to basskiller @ WCBB for the post.

**Great White** · 01-07-2005, 08:54 AM

Hacskii, You sure you should be injecting it SUB-Q!

You may have a different kind, but iirc it should be doing IM

I remember now, I dont 2ml a week (2,000mg) and usually shot it in my delt with a smaller 3/4" pin (25g?)

It did make me a little more hungry, not what i was expecting, but it made my wee stink to high heaven!

**Aftershock** · 01-07-2005, 12:42 PM

I find Kynoselen very good at keeping you anti-catabolic and increasing appetite, and thats got Vit b12 in it, and its legal... I can post a link if anyone wants it.

Some info below.

The Muscular Stimulant, Tonic

And Restorative

Provides... cellular, muscular and metabolic stimulation.

Provides... cellular energy and helps with energy conversion.

Helps... regulate and protect cardio-vascular function.

Helps... treat and prevent myopathic diseases.

Each 100ml contains:

AMP (ADENOSINE MONOPHOSPHATE)

200mg - this `active' form of phosphorous stimulates energy transformation, provides an immediate source of cellular energy, and helps cardio-vascular regulation.

HEPTAMINOL 500mg - a psychostimulant and cardio-respiratory stimulant. Helps dilates coronary blood vessels.

VITAMIN B12 25mg - stimulates general metabolism and supplements when Vitamin B12 levels may be low.

SODIUM SELENITE 50mg (23mg elemental selenium) - selenium is a catalyst for energy and fat metabolism, an anti-oxidant and regulator of metabolic oxidative processes, and an essential trace element.

MAGNESIUM ASPARTATE (1500mg)

POTASSIUM ASPARTATE (1000mg) - the aspartate salts stimulate the Krebs and urea cycles, assist glucose/glycogen metabolism, help protect the heart when oxygen deficiency occurs during strenuous exercise, and help increase the amplitude of its contractions.

INDICATIONS

KYNOSELEN is valuable whenever cardiac or skeletal muscles are compromised or damaged through disease, deficiencies, or over-exertion, and when a general restorative, stimulatory or `tonic' effect is desired. Helpful where there is debility and loss of strength.

Tuna_boi · 01-07-2005, 02:20 PM

The link would be helpfull mate..Is it an injectable as well?

**Aftershock** · 01-07-2005, 04:07 PM

http://www.vetproductsdirect.com.au/gbpeur/itemdesc.asp?CartId={1B9FA011-C79C-45EF-EVEREST8FE8-9474168F1E03}&ic=1591&eq=&Tp=

Yes its injectable. I did 4 mil a day throughout my last PCT and loved every min of it.

30-06-2005, 12:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
DB Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SW London Posts: 11,131	Vitamin B12 I was chattin to a geezer at my gym yesterday (big guy 21 stone national level BB) and i was talkin to him about struggling to eat in this heat..he recommened i take some oral B12 to increse my appitite.... now i have heard b4 about B12 but heard mixed reviews some say the oral is pointless and the injection is much better but to be honest i cant be ***d to inject a bloody vitamin.. so what are people opinions on it?? whats the standard oral dose?? cheers for comments :beer1: __________________ DB To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. often imitated never duplicated To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. DB sleeps with a night light. Not because DB is afraid of the dark, but the dark is afraid of DB. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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30-06-2005, 04:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,671	What a coincidence, I just ordered some just now then I see this thread. It is sub-Q so injection is not anything. I just bought from a place in the States and it is a Vitamin B12 30ML @ 1000MCG/ ML The reason I am buying it is for fat loss. I remember that people in the Lindora dieting plan (20 years ago) went low carb and took B-12 injections to aid in fat loss while in ketosis. I thought what the heck, why not?......I try everything anyway. I have heard that it is good for getting hunger but then again water and supplements will do this too. Read me from the site: Vitamin B12 is necessary for the formation of blood corpuscles, nerve sheaths and various proteins. It is also involved in fat and carbohydrate metabolism and is essential for growth. Adenosylcobalamin is the coenzyme for isomerization of 1-methylmalonyl coenzyme A to succinyl Co A (an important reaction in lipid and carbohydrate metabolism) and in ribonucleotide reduction (which provides building blocks for DNA synthesis). Reactions involving methylcobalamin include biosynthesis of methionine, methane and acetate. There is evidence that vitamin B12 is required in the synthesis of folate polyglutamates (active coenzymes required in the formation of nerve tissue) and in the regeneration of folic acid during red blood cell formation. Anybody else tried this with any luck? __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by hackskii; 30-06-2005 at 04:34 PM.

30-06-2005, 04:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
DB Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SW London Posts: 11,131	great minds think alike hacks... i'll share my views with u..i'll have mine in the morning __________________ DB To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. often imitated never duplicated To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. DB sleeps with a night light. Not because DB is afraid of the dark, but the dark is afraid of DB. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

30-06-2005, 04:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,671	Remember mine is injectable Sub-Q. I already have tried the orals and I actually have the Sub-lingual ones too. I think it was Miami that said he used B-12 for hunger, if my geriatric memory serves me correctly. I think Paul G. and Big Pete have both used them along with RobDog. Hey brilliant mind DB, keep us posted. Bummer, found out that it takes only 2-3 days shipping and what sucks is I am going to the river for 5 days and I have a feeling that package will sit on my pourch for days out for someone to nab :rage: __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

30-06-2005, 04:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
Tuna_boi Official Uk-Muscle Mascot Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Banded Posts: 931	There were a few guys back in my old gym that would inject each other with B12 after training.Smells quite nice. __________________ "Don't you smile at me like that. That's not even a real smile- just a bunch of teeth playing with my mind!" "My size? My size is the amount of space I fill up. Thanks for asking." Winny is for horses-Insanity ( exactly that ) see it eat it and join a gym- Moray muscle "you musat get stronger every week to grow fast" - Myseone ( Lmfao )

30-06-2005, 08:53 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jock LEAGUE LEGEND! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: UK Posts: 3,020	I have heard mixed reviews about this stuff, I was considering it after my bout of glandular fever (increases appetite and red-blood cell count). Some people have said it is sh1t and others say it is great. Hasn't Paul used it in the past? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

30-06-2005, 10:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
dirtride Gym Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Eastern, USA Posts: 231	Yeah DB,, I too have used the B12 sub q injectable.. forsure increased my appetite.. Shawn

01-07-2005, 08:54 AM	#12 (permalink)
Great White Sexy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,240	Hacskii, You sure you should be injecting it SUB-Q! You may have a different kind, but iirc it should be doing IM I remember now, I dont 2ml a week (2,000mg) and usually shot it in my delt with a smaller 3/4" pin (25g?) It did make me a little more hungry, not what i was expecting, but it made my wee stink to high heaven! __________________ Welcome to Uk-Muscle.co.uk "I was born perfect, and just like the great white shark, have never had to evolve!" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Hardcore Bodybuilding & Powerlifting Community! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Bodybuilding & Sports Video Sharing Community!

01-07-2005, 12:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
Aftershock Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,898	I find Kynoselen very good at keeping you anti-catabolic and increasing appetite, and thats got Vit b12 in it, and its legal... I can post a link if anyone wants it. Some info below. The Muscular Stimulant, Tonic And Restorative Provides... cellular, muscular and metabolic stimulation. Provides... cellular energy and helps with energy conversion. Helps... regulate and protect cardio-vascular function. Helps... treat and prevent myopathic diseases. Each 100ml contains: AMP (ADENOSINE MONOPHOSPHATE) 200mg - this `active' form of phosphorous stimulates energy transformation, provides an immediate source of cellular energy, and helps cardio-vascular regulation. HEPTAMINOL 500mg - a psychostimulant and cardio-respiratory stimulant. Helps dilates coronary blood vessels. VITAMIN B12 25mg - stimulates general metabolism and supplements when Vitamin B12 levels may be low. SODIUM SELENITE 50mg (23mg elemental selenium) - selenium is a catalyst for energy and fat metabolism, an anti-oxidant and regulator of metabolic oxidative processes, and an essential trace element. MAGNESIUM ASPARTATE (1500mg) POTASSIUM ASPARTATE (1000mg) - the aspartate salts stimulate the Krebs and urea cycles, assist glucose/glycogen metabolism, help protect the heart when oxygen deficiency occurs during strenuous exercise, and help increase the amplitude of its contractions. INDICATIONS KYNOSELEN is valuable whenever cardiac or skeletal muscles are compromised or damaged through disease, deficiencies, or over-exertion, and when a general restorative, stimulatory or `tonic' effect is desired. Helpful where there is debility and loss of strength. __________________ "You are what you eat you can't possibly be anything else" or put another way "eat sht look like sht!!" Aftershock

01-07-2005, 02:20 PM	#14 (permalink)
Tuna_boi Official Uk-Muscle Mascot Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Banded Posts: 931	The link would be helpfull mate..Is it an injectable as well? __________________ "Don't you smile at me like that. That's not even a real smile- just a bunch of teeth playing with my mind!" "My size? My size is the amount of space I fill up. Thanks for asking." Winny is for horses-Insanity ( exactly that ) see it eat it and join a gym- Moray muscle "you musat get stronger every week to grow fast" - Myseone ( Lmfao )

01-07-2005, 04:07 PM	#15 (permalink)
Aftershock Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,898	http://www.vetproductsdirect.com.au/gbpeur/itemdesc.asp?CartId={1B9FA011-C79C-45EF-EVEREST8FE8-9474168F1E03}&ic=1591&eq=&Tp= Yes its injectable. I did 4 mil a day throughout my last PCT and loved every min of it. __________________ "You are what you eat you can't possibly be anything else" or put another way "eat sht look like sht!!" Aftershock

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